If you support outlawing guns, why?

[z4v4]

That’s very CCP if you,

Good old typical liberal thinking: the government should interfere with people’s lives even more than they already do.

How about build jails all around the country, imprison everyone, and everyone gets 3 servings of lab grown meat or plant based meat per day while the rich and famous people get freedom to live outside and do whatever they want?

What I said is the truth. I didn't say implementing it would be easy or constitutional, so of course I'm not saying it should be implemented.

It was a hyperbolic suggestion to illustrate just how bad people are at parenting and how parenting has lifelong effects - whether good or bad. Now before someone cries that they were raised in a chitty household and are now 30 and fine, well, the journey there would sure have been a lot easier with proper guidance at an early age.

Bad parenting is the norm; good parenting is being phased out. If you disagree with that, then someone cue up that video of the trans telling a 8yo kid that he's a trans, too.

[z4v4]

The government isn't your daddy, and they don't need to be regulating weapons. It's the parent's responsibility to make sure guns are out of reach to little kids, if you don't see that, then you're retarded. And where the fck is a 10 year old going to get money to buy a gun? Riddle me that, batman.

Shall. Not. Be. Infringed. Say it slowly so you understand. "Common sense gun laws" are terms used by smooth-brained idiots like you.

Okay, so then you agree that 10yo children should be allowed to legally purchase firearms? Yes or no?

You must be for a "yes" because you think it's impossible for a 10yo to have access to money to buy one, so therefore the law must be unnecessary, yes? How about 16?

You were caught, don't try to deny it.

When, where, and by whom?

There's a CT kook on here named after a chitty SUV that said I am him because he used the word "son" in a post. If you think that's evidence of getting caught, then no wonder you think the election was stolen and no amount of reality is going to make you see the light.

[ClivesTriceps]

Okay, so then you agree that 10yo children should be allowed to legally purchase firearms? Yes or no?

You must be for a "yes" because you think it's impossible for a 10yo to have access to money to buy one, so therefore the law must be unnecessary, yes? How about 16?

When, where, and by whom?

There's a CT kook on here named after a chitty SUV that said I am him because he used the word "son" in a post. If you think that's evidence of getting caught, then no wonder you think the election was stolen and no amount of reality is going to make you see the light.

Stop using irrational straw-man arguments. Tell me exactly how a 10 year old could afford to purchase a gun. And if the 10 year old has been trained by their parents, I don't see why not. Plenty of parents start their kids off even younger than 10 with guns.

And yeah, you stepped on your own dick with your MMeadows account. Don't try to play dumb with this one "son", you're plenty dumb as it is.

[DeshaunWatson]

Common sense gun laws would be to ban the guns that are most likely to be used in crimes, which are cheap guns. AR's and such are a rarity. Some little cheap ass .38 revolver, basic 9mm handgun.

Deadliest shooting on a college campus was done with 2 hand guns (VT). The left are very stupid.

[MMeadows11]

this is enough evidence to permanently ban both this account and the bad munkee account

LMFAO !!




Also, ITT derpy (some) righty gun nuts argue that any and every regulation of firearms is an infringement of their rights. Absurd.

Now do cars, derplers.


"If you gone not let me drive after 16 beers, ya might as well put me in a jail cell and feed me organic tofu !!"

[MMeadows11]

Deadliest shooting on a college campus was done with 2 hand guns (VT). The left are very stupid.

Deadly shooting in Columbine done with guns bought by an 18 year old female and given to shooters; very possibly preventable if she had to take safety course which mentioned legal liabilities.

Deadly school shooting in Sandy Hook killed 20+ children; very possibly preventable if gun owner had to take safety course which stresses keeping firearms secure and NOT letting anyone else have access to them.

[z4v4]

Stop using irrational straw-man arguments. Tell me exactly how a 10 year old could afford to purchase a gun. And if the 10 year old has been trained by their parents, I don't see why not. Plenty of parents start their kids off even younger than 10 with guns.

And yeah, you stepped on your own dick with your MMeadows account. Don't try to play dumb with this one "son", you're plenty dumb as it is.

Okay, so you're saying it's fine for a 10yo to buy a gun "if the 10 year old has been trained by their parents." Wouldn't that be an infringement on the 2A? As for having the means, plenty of kids have the scratch. What about 16? You didn't answer that one, son.

As for the other nonsense, it is just that. I do not have any other accounts here. You CT's are a hilarious bunch. I bet if the grocery store is out of the brand milk you like, you have a long-winded conspiracy as to why.

[Godfrd824]

Simple question: is keeping firearms out of unsupervised children's hands a common gun restriction or not?

- yes
- no

Choose one, son.

This is the kind of deflection the left is known for. Nowhere in the US is it legal for a minor to buy a handgun, which are the guns most likely to be used for crimes. Funny thing is, if this were a thread about sucking dick, this guy would be 100% on topic.

[z4v4]

This is the kind of deflection the left is known for. Nowhere in the US is it legal for a minor to buy a handgun, which are the guns most likely to be used for crimes. Funny thing is, if this were a thread about sucking dick, this guy would be 100% on topic.

Again, is that a "common sense gun restriction" or not?

[Godfrd824]

Again, is that a "common sense gun restriction" or not?

It's already in place. What is it that you want? It's not less deaths and less crime, because it's proven that less guns doesn't equal less crime or less murder. I know what you want, you want to waste tax payer money, and feel smug about laws that don't actually do anything positive.

In 2020 about 20k people died either from suicide with a gun, or from being murdered with a gun. In sharp contrast, guns were used nearly 2 million times in self defense in 2020. So I ask again, what is it that you want?

Why don't you push for things that will actually make a difference? Like personal responsibility, or better parenting in urban communities?

[ClivesTriceps]

Okay, so you're saying it's fine for a 10yo to buy a gun "if the 10 year old has been trained by their parents." Wouldn't that be an infringement on the 2A? As for having the means, plenty of kids have the scratch. What about 16? You didn't answer that one, son.

As for the other nonsense, it is just that. I do not have any other accounts here. You CT's are a hilarious bunch. I bet if the grocery store is out of the brand milk you like, you have a long-winded conspiracy as to why.

You're really reaching at anything to keep arguing, you dumb fck. EVERY GUN LAW IS AN INFRINGEMENT! Get that through your fcking neanderthal head. Parents educating and training their children isn't an infringement, I didn't say required by state/fed training. You're putting words in my mouth to justify your retarded anti 2A views.

Your precious daddy gubbermint doesn't need to regulate anything the constitution that says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Saying "plenty of kids have the scratch" isn't proof 10 year olds have means to get the money to buy guns, kid.

[z4v4]

It's already in place. What is it that you want? It's not less deaths and less crime, because it's proven that less guns doesn't equal less crime or less murder. I know what you want, you want to waste tax payer money, and feel smug about laws that don't actually do anything positive.

In 2020 about 20k people died either from suicide with a gun, or from being murdered with a gun. In sharp contrast, guns were used nearly 2 million times in self defense in 2020. So I ask again, what is it that you want?

Why don't you push for things that will actually make a difference? Like personal responsibility, or better parenting in urban communities?

I already stated that good parenting will ameliorate the issue and was met with CCP stuff. If I were forced to choose, I'd choose laws on parenting over laws on guns.

You're really reaching at anything to keep arguing, you dumb fck. EVERY GUN LAW IS AN INFRINGEMENT! Get that through your fcking neanderthal head. Parents educating and training their children isn't an infringement, I didn't say required by state/fed training. You're putting words in my mouth to justify your retarded anti 2A views.

Your precious daddy gubbermint doesn't need to regulate anything the constitution that says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Saying "plenty of kids have the scratch" isn't proof 10 year olds have means to get the money to buy guns, kid.

Calm down, son. Change your stack or something, jeez. I'm not anti-2A, genius. Take a trip to a neighborhood where parents spoil their kids rather than spend time with them.

[jeffl1980]

Lady, Biden literally wants to ban at-15’s that’s a gun ban.

This post was skipped over.....no surprise.

There are politicians that are actually working towards banning ARs and Z4 is arguing about 10 year olds buying guns rather than having an actual discussion.

Lefties........

- Should there be a ban on ARs?
- Should there be an ammo tax?
- Should magazines over 10 rounds be banned?
- Should there be a gun registry?

These 4 things are actually are trying to be passed, amount other things. Why isn’t this the topic of debate?

[GreatOldOne]

Common sense gun laws would be to ban the guns that are most likely to be used in crimes, which are cheap guns. AR's and such are a rarity. Some little cheap ass .38 revolver, basic 9mm handgun.

22lr is responsible for the most gun deaths, iirc.

[jeffl1980]

Where do you keep your gun in your bedroom?

I have either a Sig M18 or a FN509 in my nightstand (EDCs) and a Daniel Defense AR pistol 2ft from my bed. These are rarely in my gun safe with my other guns unless I have company over or my house cleaner is present.

Problem?

[GooBaaa]

Z4 claims to be Progun yet supports taxing ammo and more laws


Fking clown lmao


He's clearly a fatherless ******* using the fact that the internet is an anonymous place to preach his Garbage views

[tunejunkie]

Deadly shooting in Columbine done with guns bought by an 18 year old female and given to shooters

And yet columbine happened during a time when
- assault weapons were banned nationwide
- standard capacity magazines were banned nationwide

[GooBaaa]

And yet columbine happened during a time when
- assault weapons were banned nationwide
- standard capacity magazines were banned nationwide

Because gun control will never work

If people wanna do bad things they will acquire the items to do said bad things

[GreatOldOne]

This post was skipped over.....no surprise.

There are politicians that are actually working towards banning ARs and Z4 is arguing about 10 year olds buying guns rather than having an actual discussion.

Lefties........

- Should there be a ban on ARs?
- Should there be an ammo tax?
- Should magazines over 10 rounds be banned?
- Should there be a gun registry?

These 4 things are actually are trying to be passed, amount other things. Why isn’t this the topic of debate?

Biden's platform was to
1) ban new manufacturing of assault rifles/modern sporting rifles...and certainly some pistols.

No clear definition; It would be a list of guns someone writes up similar to what got banned in Canada I would bet.

2) ban import of rifles in 1)

3) require tax stamp and NFA process for existing weapons in 1)

4) no special protection from liability for gun manufacturers

....

I think it's a bad idea to pursue. I would start with funding research into gun deaths and collect more information. There's no telling what that might result...for example, it might suggest taxing 22lr to reduce gun deaths like taxing cigarettes to reduce smoking deaths. But nobody knows beyond their opinion, as public health research into this area has not been very good afaik.

[GooBaaa]

Biden's platform was to
1) ban new manufacturing of assault rifles/modern sporting rifles...and certainly some pistols.

No clear definition; It would be a list of guns someone writes up similar to what got banned in Canada I would bet.

2) ban import of rifles in 1)

3) require tax stamp and NFA process for existing weapons in 1)

4) no special protection from liability for gun manufacturers

....

I think it's a bad idea to pursue. I would start with funding research into gun deaths and collect more information. There's no telling what that might result...for example, it might suggest taxing 22lr to reduce gun deaths like taxing cigarettes to reduce smoking deaths. But nobody knows beyond their opinion, as public health research into this area has not been very good afaik.

Taxing 22?

Just stop posting lmao

[z4v4]

I have either a Sig M18 or a FN509 in my nightstand (EDCs) and a Daniel Defense AR pistol 2ft from my bed. These are rarely in my gun safe with my other guns unless I have company over or my house cleaner is present.

Problem?

What condition do you keep your firearms in while sleeping, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4?

Z4 claims to be Progun yet supports taxing ammo and more laws


Fking clown lmao


He's clearly a fatherless ******* using the fact that the internet is an anonymous place to preach his Garbage views

No. I already stated that if I were forced to choose, I'd rather there be laws on who can be parents over who can own guns. The former would sort out the latter.

I also merely stated in the other thread that if all rounds were a flat $100 a piece, random gun violence because a dude cut someone off on the freeway, for example, would likely cease to exist.

[chaunce54]

Because my TV told me to.

[GreatOldOne]

Taxing 22?

Just stop posting lmao

I said research. Try reading comprehension.

[z4v4]

I said research. Try reading comprehension.

Baa doesn't actually read posts - he skims for trigger keywords and then stomps his fingers on his keyboard. Probably types with 2-fingers and his mouth wide open.

[GooBaaa]

I said research. Try reading comprehension.

Research for gun deaths? We already know where it's all coming from but stats are racist

Little Timmy ain't shooting bobby bro, it's coming from inner cities where strict laws are already in place or a gun assisted suicide

Baa doesn't actually read posts - he skims for trigger keywords and then stomps his fingers on his keyboard. Probably types with 2-fingers and his mouth wide open.

Coming from a dude that literally drools on to his keyboard and is a known fraud, this doesn't mean much lmao do better son

[GreatOldOne]

Research for gun deaths? We already know where it's all coming from but stats are racist

Yeah, 22lr.

...

Which would have a greater effect on gun deaths, making the modern sporting rifle/assault rifle very difficult or impossible in some areas to own legally, or making 22lr and 9 cost as much as 45? Nobody knows, because they don't study it.

If we're going to pass laws regarding bans/major changes, then it would be good to have a scientific basis for the changes.

It might be researched and found it would reduce gun deaths to put more efforts into education, mental health, and general economic efforts in certain areas. Maybe cracking down very hard on illegal gun running.

It wouldn't necessarily be changing something about buying a gun or ammo...at least it shouldn't be presumed that would be the necessarily best way to reduce gun deaths without solid research.

[jeffl1980]

What condition do you keep your firearms in while sleeping, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4?

Condition 1.

Round in chamber, full magazine and safety on.

[DeshaunWatson]

Deadly shooting in Columbine done with guns bought by an 18 year old female and given to shooters; very possibly preventable if she had to take safety course which mentioned legal liabilities.

Deadly school shooting in Sandy Hook killed 20+ children; very possibly preventable if gun owner had to take safety course which stresses keeping firearms secure and NOT letting anyone else have access to them.

Bad guys will always get their hands on a gun.

[z4v4]

Condition 1.

Round in chamber, full magazine and safety on.

I would probably do that if I had a safety. Condition 0 for me. Do you ever carry in a different condition? Mine are always in 0 so I'll always be sure I know what condition they are in. How do you like the Sig? Thinking of picking up a Sig.

[jeffl1980]

I would probably do that if I had a safety. Condition 0 for me. Do you ever carry in a different condition? Mine are always in 0 so I'll always be sure I know what condition they are in. How do you like the Sig? Thinking of picking up a Sig.

I like full framed hand guns (large hands), so the M18 is my favorite EDC and the most ergonomic for me.

It’s 1 of only a couple handguns that I own with an actual safety, so it has taking many draw drills to adapt to pull, disengage safety and fire, versus pull and fire.

I also appendix carry so the safety on the M18 is appreciated. I’m not against condition 0 though. I’ve carried that way for years.