Has birth control made things better or worse??

[jtaylor2010]

As there seems to be no end to the levels of clown world, no limits to the slootery, and no bottom to the abyss of current culture in sight...I decided to make this thread after doing some reading today. The excerpt is about birth control, and even though it’s always just assumed to be a good thing, I think a great case can be made that it is one of the major players(maybe the single largest) that got us to this point as far as being a hyper-sexualized society. So what are your thoughts on it?




“ What is horrifying is not that we are relying so exclusively on a technology of birth control that is still experimental, but that we are using it casually, in utter cultural nakedness, unceremoniously, without sufficient understanding, and as a substitute for cultural solutions - exactly as we now employ the technology of land use. And to promote these means without cultural and ecological insight, as merely a way to divorce sexuality from fertility, pleasure from responsibility - or to sell them that the way for ulterior “moral” motives- is to try to cure a disease by another disease.”


- Wendell Berry

[Silencespeaks]

Worse

Those hormones can’t be healthy. Wish I never had taken it. I will never go back on.

[Ausaric]

Probably better. I’m talking about non-abortion contraceptives though.

The morality of abortion isn’t clear to me.

[DDSF1]

It really did do severe damage to society. Fundamental changes for the worse in the collective psyche as well as the female psyche.

[Ausaric]

It really did do severe damage to society. Fundamental changes for the worse in the collective psyche as well as the female psyche.

It can be argued that contraception has freed up a massive amount of people (women) who were previously relegated to being home-bound and the sole providers of child-rearing.

We don’t know if it’s been good psychologically for women, but there have been a lot of benefits to the economies of developed countries.

[OttomanEmpire]

Was reading some random statistics or recall one and in the 80s or 90s, Romania with a 20m+ population had over 800,000 abortions in one year so...now its down to 50,000. Per 1,000 live-births, 3,158.4 abortions, now its 278.2 per 1000. Was similar around eastern europe during those days.

Over 9,000 women died between 1965 and 1989 due to complications arising from illegal abortions.[6]

Decree 770
In 1957 the procedure was officially legalized in Romania, following which 80% of pregnancies ended in abortion, mainly due to the lack of effective contraception. By 1966, the national birthrate had fallen from 19.1 per 1,000 in 1960 to 14.3 per 1,000, a decline that was attributed to the legalization of abortion nine years previously.[6] In an effort to ensure "normal demographic growth", Decree 770 was authorized by Nicolae Ceaușescu's government. The decree criminalized abortion except in the following cases:

women over 45 (lowered to 40 in 1974, raised back to 45 in 1985)[6][7]
women who had already delivered and reared four children (raised to five in 1985)[6][7]
women whose life would be threatened by carrying to term due to medical complications[6][7]
women whose fetuses were malformed[8]
women who were pregnant through rape or incest[6][7]
The effect of this policy was a sudden transition from a birth rate of 14.3 per 1,000 in 1966 to 27.4 per 1,000 in 1967, though it fell back to 14.3 in 1983.[6]

In the year 2004, there were 216,261 live births and 191,000 reported abortions,[2] meaning that 46% of the 407,261 reported pregnancies that year ended in abortion.

United Nations data puts the abortion rate at 21.3 abortions per 1000 women aged 15–44 years in 2010.[26] Romania has a high prevalence of abortion: in a 2007 survey 50% of women said they had undergone an abortion during their lifetime.[27]

Future effects of the communist abortion policy
Ceaușescu's demographic policies are feared of having very serious effects in the future because of the very low number of births in the 1990's and 2000's. In Romania, the generations born under Ceaușescu are very large (especially the late 1960s and the 1970s), while those born in the 1990s and 2000s are very small. This is believed to cause a very serious demographic shock when the former generations retire, as there will not be sufficient young people to form the workforce and support the elderly.[28][29][30]

[navid93]

Birth control pills help prevent unwanted pregnancies...explain how that’s a negative

[Ausaric]

Birth control pills help prevent unwanted pregnancies...explain how that’s a negative

Birth control pills, readily-available and effective condoms, and more modern contraceptive techniques like IUD’s help prevent unwanted pregnancies. These things have their benefits, but the argument against them is that it trivializes sexual relationships and diminishes the importance of stable male-female pair bonding to establish families.

[Muscle2021]

better. Less abortions, less kids murdered, less unwanted kids, population control

[rectifryer]

Worse.

Plain and simple, there is no argument otherwise.

You're expected to hold off on making a family indefinitely, and your wife has to work. All of this is enabled with birth control...

[rectifryer]

Was reading some random statistics or recall one and in the 80s or 90s, Romania with a 20m+ population had over 800,000 abortions in one year so...now its down to 50,000. Per 1,000 live-births, 3,158.4 abortions, now its 278.2 per 1000. Was similar around eastern europe during those days.

Over 9,000 women died between 1965 and 1989 due to complications arising from illegal abortions.[6]

Decree 770
In 1957 the procedure was officially legalized in Romania, following which 80% of pregnancies ended in abortion, mainly due to the lack of effective contraception. By 1966, the national birthrate had fallen from 19.1 per 1,000 in 1960 to 14.3 per 1,000, a decline that was attributed to the legalization of abortion nine years previously.[6] In an effort to ensure "normal demographic growth", Decree 770 was authorized by Nicolae Ceaușescu's government. The decree criminalized abortion except in the following cases:

women over 45 (lowered to 40 in 1974, raised back to 45 in 1985)[6][7]
women who had already delivered and reared four children (raised to five in 1985)[6][7]
women whose life would be threatened by carrying to term due to medical complications[6][7]
women whose fetuses were malformed[8]
women who were pregnant through rape or incest[6][7]
The effect of this policy was a sudden transition from a birth rate of 14.3 per 1,000 in 1966 to 27.4 per 1,000 in 1967, though it fell back to 14.3 in 1983.[6]

In the year 2004, there were 216,261 live births and 191,000 reported abortions,[2] meaning that 46% of the 407,261 reported pregnancies that year ended in abortion.

United Nations data puts the abortion rate at 21.3 abortions per 1000 women aged 15–44 years in 2010.[26] Romania has a high prevalence of abortion: in a 2007 survey 50% of women said they had undergone an abortion during their lifetime.[27]

Future effects of the communist abortion policy
Ceaușescu's demographic policies are feared of having very serious effects in the future because of the very low number of births in the 1990's and 2000's. In Romania, the generations born under Ceaușescu are very large (especially the late 1960s and the 1970s), while those born in the 1990s and 2000s are very small. This is believed to cause a very serious demographic shock when the former generations retire, as there will not be sufficient young people to form the workforce and support the elderly.[28][29][30]

The economy of the west forces them to abort to maintain some semblance of a decent standard of living.

[Ausaric]

better. Less abortions, less kids murdered, less unwanted kids, population control

I agree with you if we aren’t including abortions in this.

[Ephedra]

I'm all for birth control and abortions.

Unprepared parents are more likely to poorly parent their children.

Poorly parented children grow up dependent, incapable of self-sufficiency, and vote Democrat (example: wincel)

The more abortions the less future Democrats.

[BigBallsMcgee]

You can blow loads into randoms with no consequences.

This is peak living if you're not incel

[Muscle2021]

I agree with you if we aren’t including abortions in this.

can you elaborate?
Would you like more abortions or do you think the pill didn't decrease the amount?

[128]

What would society look like without it

[PepperedAngus]

It helped me get laid from vapid empty sloots, but hindered me from finding wife material women, as it literally corrodes the minds of women and devalues thousands of years of evolution biology.

And now we have a liberal mental illness issue. And sadly they dont even realize how mentally compromised they are, and they all get to vote.

[Ausaric]

can you elaborate?
Would you like more abortions or do you think the pill didn't decrease the amount?

Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

The OP didn’t seem to include abortions in their post.

You also raise a good argument which is that if these contraceptives weren’t available, it would result in increased abortions.

My problem with abortions is that there is no way to precisely quantify the exact moment a human becomes a person. For example, does it occur upon conception, or the first heartbeat, or development of neurological systems, or the ability to be viable outside the womb, or upon actual birth?

There is a continuum from conception to birth in which it isn’t clear at which point abortion is actually murdering a person.

[jtaylor2010]

Birth control pills help prevent unwanted pregnancies...explain how that’s a negative

I didn’t say that was a negative, I asked if it has made things better for worse. Simply making one aspect better doesn’t mean something is automatically a net positive. Plus, it has contributed to a hyper-sexualized society...so maybe people would be more selective if they had the risk of getting pregnant. I know you can say “well they could just get an abortion”... but believe it or not that isn’t an easy choice for lots of women. So again, sex would be more selective and probably more likely to occur within a relationship beyond just random sex. And on that note, it’s probably safe to say birth control has significantly contributed to STD rates in the West. And our current environment has caused an increase in broken homes and single parenthood...which again birth control played a big role in getting us here. And that’s before we even get into the personal aspect of pumping teenage girls full of hormones to make their body think it’s pregnant, and the physical(probably emotional) risks that go along with it. And even if the hormones aren’t directly affecting the emotional health, it’s obvious that the current environment has lead to a surge in mental health issues...which again birth control played a huge role in shaping. And as was pointed out in the quote at the beginning, it has completely shifted the concept of sex in our society...and not for the better.


So yes, there are plenty of bad things that birth control has played a huge role in.

[OttomanEmpire]

The economy of the west forces them to abort to maintain some semblance of a decent standard of living.

Can you add more info to this?

[Muscle2021]

I didn’t say that was a negative, I asked if it has made things better for worse. Simply making one aspect better doesn’t mean something is automatically a net positive. Plus, it has contributed to a hyper-sexualized society...so maybe people would be more selective if they had the risk of getting pregnant. I know you can say “well they could just get an abortion”... but believe it or not that isn’t an easy choice for lots of women. So again, sex would be more selective and probably more likely to occur within a relationship beyond just random sex. And on that note, it’s probably safe to say birth control has significantly contributed to STD rates in the West. And our current environment has caused an increase in broken homes and single parenthood...which again birth control played a big role in getting us here. And that’s before we even get into the personal aspect of pumping teenage girls full of hormones to make their body think it’s pregnant, and the physical(probably emotional) risks that go along with it. And even if the hormones aren’t directly affecting the emotional health, it’s obvious that the current environment has lead to a surge in mental health issues...which again birth control played a huge role in shaping. And as was pointed out in the quote at the beginning, it has completely shifted the concept of sex in our society...and not for the better.


So yes, there are plenty of bad things that birth control has played a huge role in.

I agree with some of the stuff you wrote but I mean we know our history before the invention of the pill and sex life was not exactly limited to marriage...

[89FoxBody]

the idea that altering someone's fundamental biology brings no consequences is questionable..all that estrogen in the water supply has to be going somewhere.

[GreatOldOne]

Family planning makes a lot of sense and increases infant and mother survival.

[scooterbrah]

It helped me get laid from vapid empty sloots, but hindered me from finding wife material women, as it literally corrodes the minds of women and devalues thousands of years of evolution biology.

And now we have a liberal mental illness issue. And sadly they dont even realize how mentally compromised they are, and they all get to vote.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PepperedAngus again.

[jtaylor2010]

I agree with some of the stuff you wrote but I mean we know our history before the invention of the pill and sex life was not exactly limited to marriage...

History is a very broad term and there have been tons of different cultures societies along the way. Obviously you are correct that sex outside of marriage/meaningful relations has always existed, but at the same time I think we can both agree that birth control allowed/lead to a sexual revolution/explosion that wouldn’t have otherwise happened.

[AlwaysFocus]

Birth control pills, readily-available and effective condoms, and more modern contraceptive techniques like IUD’s help prevent unwanted pregnancies. These things have their benefits, but the argument against them is that it trivializes sexual relationships and diminishes the importance of stable male-female pair bonding to establish families.

whoa, thats like really complicated and chit for my coom brain

[nick5569]

It's allowed people to have sex without (as many) consequences, so on the surface most would say it's been beneficial

However overall I'd say it's been a huge negative on the morals of society and family life

It basically allows degeneracy and slootiness to exist. Imagine if sloots had to deal with the shame of being pregnant every year with no father in sight? Most wouldn't bother, instead they'd get married younger and start a family like they're supposed to naturally


I would say birth control is the greatest contributing factor to the rampant degeneracy we're seeing today

[r0bo]

do you think people weren't into sodomy in the past specifically because of the risk of having kids? there is history of birth control dating to ~2000 BC and countless other methods to prevent pregnancy so we could ****. estrogens and progesterones in a pill didn't bring about degeneracy you retards lmao

[Sal29]

It's much better for 6'6" Chads like me, but much worse for about the bottom 80% of the men out there(Especially Conservative Miscer Incels).

[A-GAME]

It really did do severe damage to society. Fundamental changes for the worse in the collective psyche as well as the female psyche.

This.