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Thread: Trannies versus female athletes
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02-23-2021, 03:08 AM #61
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02-23-2021, 04:15 AM #62
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02-23-2021, 04:50 AM #63
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02-23-2021, 05:31 AM #64
Classic punch line to one of m favorite jokes about the architect in Ireland, Scottland..whatever... who built nearly an entire small town, the church, the school, etc. He's lamenting to the priest, who recounts his benevolence, and says, "yeah father, but ya fk one goat!"
Envy is ignorance. Imitation is suicide.
-----R. W. Emerson
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02-23-2021, 05:37 AM #65
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02-23-2021, 06:24 AM #66
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02-23-2021, 07:59 AM #67
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02-23-2021, 08:43 AM #68
Illness is real and genuine. The fact it's in the mind doesn't make it any less real.
So you don't think it's an illness when you brain is completely out of phase with your body to the point you want to hack at your anatomy? What do we call it then?Follow my 2018 competition prep here:
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02-23-2021, 08:59 AM #69
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02-23-2021, 09:31 AM #70
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02-23-2021, 09:41 AM #71
I was speaking in general terms about gender dysphoria being the stress experienced (usually by transgender people) if your identified/true gender does not match your expressed/societal gender or physical sexual attributes. It is often treated by transitioning. Gender incongruence or trans-identity is not in itself a mental disorder.
As far as the OP goes it is unfortunate that she was born a man, but modern medicine was able to correct this, and she will be able to live as a woman. However, some people are born with "defects" that are not as easily corrected, and this isn't fair, but it is life. I fully support Fallon Fox's gender re-assignment, but sometimes we are faced with limitations because we were given the hand we were dealt. The safety of others can't be put in jeopardy because something completely unfair happened to her- a lot of people can't fight because of things they have no control over. I don't know the solution for this, but allowing her to fight women with certain advantages that a man would have in combat sports against a woman is not it."it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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02-23-2021, 09:53 AM #72
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02-23-2021, 10:42 AM #74
Agreed!
But we all know it doesnt work that way because gubmint is always involved.
You misgender a tranny, you go to jail.
You punch a disgusting P E D O in the face, you go to jail cuz P E D O s have "rights".
You don't want to bake a cake for a gay couple, you get fined.
I'm a "live and let live" type of dood. Problem is gubmint wants to enforce other people's believe down the throat of those who do not support.
And that is tyranny.This above all..
To thine ownself be true..
And it must follow, as the night the day..
Thou can'st not then be false to any man..
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02-23-2021, 10:49 AM #75
My views have changed a bit about trans participation in sports (although never combat sports) and much of that was because of discussion I had on here with Karl and JT I believe. I think what the IOC requires is about as fair as you can make it and for most sports it’s still not enough. Although I still believe in UNTESTED lifting competitions trans lifters should be allowed to compete in whatever division they want.
I am a bit biased as I do have a family friend who transitioned from female to male and so I became pretty interested in the idea of gender dysphoria. I don’t really understand the theories well enough to articulate them (not that that has really stopped me in the past) but as I understand it is believed one possible cause is by a misalignment between the brain sex and genetic sex. Genetic sex being determined by, genetics obviously. It's your chromosomes. Brain sex is your gender. It's determined by the hormones that you're exposed to while developing in the womb.
Chromosomes are like blueprints. Sh*t goes wrong in nature, human development can get f*cked up. XX is supposed to be the female path and XY is supposed to be the male path. Everyone starts off on the same path, that’s why men have nipples (?). The Y chromosome doesn’t actually do much. It pretty much just signals a flood of testosterone to occur and diverts the fetus down the male path. Which path the brain and gonads go down is all set by hormones. The brain and the gonads develop at different times, which is why mismatches can occur. Too much testosterone exposure during brain development in the womb can make an XX individual develop a male brain gender. Lack of testosterone exposure during brain development in the womb can make an XY individual develop a female brain gender.
At least that is how I understand it, perhaps I misunderstood what I read or what I read was completely wrong. I don’t know. Hopefully Karl will be along soon enough to correct me where I have gone astray.Last edited by 7Seconds; 02-23-2021 at 11:38 AM.
"it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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02-23-2021, 11:07 AM #76
Wait till this comes around; which it will; mark my words.
Kid goes from biological female to pretend male; competes in male sports; does poorly; complains that competition isn't fair because biological males are typically stronger, faster than females; get seperate division or rule change to suit "him"
Just wait....2017 OCB Men's Physique Open 4th place
17 MP Novice 4th
18 MP Novice 5th
18 MP 40+ 3rd
18 MP Open 5'10" & under 1st
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19 CP 40+ 3rd
19 BB open 3rd
19 BB 40+ 1st..2nd Pro Card
19 BB 40+1st..50+1st...3rd Pro Card
21 BB 40+1st..50+1st..Open 5th..4th Card
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02-23-2021, 03:30 PM #77
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02-23-2021, 04:14 PM #78
I have spent a bit of time in Europe and unisex bathrooms do exist there. People are afraid of molestation happening in the 'wrong' bathroom, but that threat miraculously disappears if they're forced into the 'right' bathroom?
It's a basic fallacy of logic. Either they're human beings who should be judged based on their individual actions ... or the opposition needs to admit they simply don't like/fear or understand them.
The statistics overwhelmingly show that sexual assault relating to transgender people is almost exclusively being committed against them, not by them.
Also no one seems to think about FtM's when it comes to this issue. The rhetoric is always about transwoman in the ladies room. There's nothing stopping a cis man from claiming he's FtM transgender and going in the woman's room anyways because now he's "forced" to use the bathroom of his birth sex. The problem with these laws is all the absolutely ridiculous scenarios people have to think up to justify their existence. It's a bad solution to something that was never a problem in the first place.
Whatever way you have it, if someone seriously wanted to go into a bathroom or locker room to be a perv, they would do it. But Voyeurism is still illegal and that's what they would be charged with."it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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02-23-2021, 05:17 PM #79
It wasn’t too long ago where I read that a mother in California came out to tell the world her son who was 7, wants to be a girl and that she is encouraging his transition and will be considering getting him female hormones.
Sometimes the sick one is the parent.Helping one person may not change the world, but it could change the world for one person.
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02-23-2021, 05:20 PM #80
I see. Hmm..well I'm European so I really never cared, I was raised so different. But America is so different and culturally diverse though.
Also was just thinking that since women get harassed just walking down the street and maybe they'd like to have a place where men don't come. However, as you said if they want to do it, they would do it anyway.
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02-23-2021, 05:32 PM #81
Many different perspectives.
My child (born male) feels that they are trans. Wants me to use she/her pronouns and has always always acted like a female right from her toddler years. I always noticed and so did everyone else. I can't say I was open to transition because when she was young I'd never heard of trans people. She wanted baby dolls and t-sets and barbies and girls clothes. I tried and tried to get her to play with nerf guns and legos like her brothers but no luck ever. She'd fight anything masculine tooth and nail. I gave up fighting when she was about 8 and just let her play with girls toys. There was no changing her. When it came to clothes I gave up the fight last year. She was sneaking make up and girls clothes to school and changing in the bathroom. This child will fight to be a girl all the way to her grave.
Now puberty is setting in and we have some serious choices to make. At thirteen she can pass for female but in a year or two that may no longer be possible. I did not know what to do because I want her to make all her medical decisions as an adult. I want her to really think about these decisions and make them with no pressure from anyone else. But she keeps getting taller and taller and her shoulders are getting wider and wider and she is panicking because if she isn't allowed to make these changes till she is 18 she will be a fairly big person (her older brothers are 6'6" and 6'3").
So I researched and read up on puberty blockers and that is the direction we will go in for now. She will be able to take pills that will block puberty while working with a therapist that will help her to navigate the choices available and to work through her feelings. I know she needs that. I have never seen someone hate and fear puberty like this. Floods of tears every time she grows an inch or goes up a shoe size. This child's greatest horror is that her body is becoming a mans body and she is trapped in it and can't get out. It's hard to discribe watching someone you love so much go through that. Being trans is not a cute 10 year old boy who wants to wear a toto. It's a thirteen year old collapsed on the bathroom floor weeping and freaking out because they feel like a freak and they can't get out of their body. It's terrifying as a parent to face this because you are so afraid of making the wrong choice and you have no idea if you are hurting or helping. And people judge you, your own family judges you. It's not a fun game to play. It's really hard."it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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02-23-2021, 06:16 PM #82
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02-24-2021, 08:12 AM #83
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02-24-2021, 08:16 AM #84
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02-24-2021, 08:46 AM #85
I understand there's nothing else for them at the moment so if that gives them some relief good for them. Having an illness doesn't make you a non person or a sub human so I'm not sure why there's such resistance at calling it an illness. Chit, I am near sighted as phuk, I am not going to pretend it's not a medical issue and it sure doesn't make me subhuman, but I am never going to fly fighter jets in the Air Force, which also doesn't make me subhuman. So to say trans have an illness and also they should not compete against women it's not any more demeaning than saying I'm blind as a bat and I won't fly fighter jets. Why the left has to turn everything into a grotesque chit show is beyond me.
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02-24-2021, 09:19 AM #86
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02-24-2021, 09:30 AM #87
I assume some transgender folks get upset about being called mentally ill because transgenderism itself is not a mental illness. Dysphoria comes in many forms and isnt restricted to transgender people (it is the opposite of euphoria). It becomes a disorder when it is persistent and damaging to a person's ability to function but not every transgender person suffers from gender dysphoria. I would assume many live quite well in fact."it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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02-24-2021, 10:34 AM #88
Transitions are not treatment. It’s been shown that many champions have had some type of disadvantage, these people actually become champions because disadvantages make people better when they deal with them.
Hence real treatment for a man who thinks they are a women is to NEVER transition hormone wise but use the handicap to fuel thier desire, if they want to dress and act like a female naturally compete and beat men, not women.
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02-24-2021, 10:42 AM #89
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02-24-2021, 11:47 AM #90
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