Peyton Manning, not Tom Brady, is actually the GOAT, according to PFR's HoF metrics

[HoganIsGOAT]

Lol

Half right

Dude’s post had to be the dumbest I’ve seen all day in the Sports Misc, which is saying something.

[NorrinRadd12]

How did Vinatieri get in range to kick those field goals? Let me guess—the running game.

Same way Vanderjagt got in range to miss his. So what point are you actually making?

[WestAfrica]

7-9 team that Brady took to the SB, remember that

Why is this a thing?

[swolefnatic]

Peyton has always choked in the playoffs. He got carried in 2006 and 2015. Just compare the postseason stats between Manning and Brady.



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[Vhagar]

Why is this a thing?

Because the year before they won 7 games and lost 9

[NorrinRadd12]

Why is this a thing?

I'm a Bucs fan and they had no business winning the Super Bowl. He was the GM, HC and QB

[WestAfrica]

I'm a Bucs fan and they had no business winning the Super Bowl. He was the GM, HC and QB

So the Bucs weren’t loaded? If you replaced Winston with a qb that threw 15 less INTs they would have still gone 7-9?

[nn586]

If you don't think Brady is the GOAT by now you are just low IQ.

[NorrinRadd12]

So the Bucs weren’t loaded? If you replaced Winston with a qb that threw 15 less INTs they would have still gone 7-9?

Loaded? Not like the media thinks. If you want to take away Winston's INTs then you have to take away the games they won where he threw for 350-400 and threw 3-4 TDs. Balances out.

[WestAfrica]

Loaded? Not like the media thinks. If you want to take away Winston's INTs then you have to take away the games they won where he threw for 350-400 and threw 3-4 TDs. Balances out.

What position are they weak at? Don’t say they didn’t have any pro bowlers on O. Godwin made all pro in 2019 and G + Evans are top 8 WRs. The defense is stout also. The Bucs weren’t a bad team just that throwing 30+ INTs ruins any chance at winning games.

[Belome]

Don’t say they didn’t have any pro bowlers on O.

Damn near spit out my coffee lol.

We can’t even use facts to defend Brady anymore.

[GarthVader]

lmao. Any QB can win in Belichick's system. Any other QB besides Winston can win with that Bucs roster.

[SmashinYoungVag]

Damn near spit out my coffee lol.

We can’t even use facts to defend Brady anymore.

Because we all know the talent they have. Brady had to spread the ball around to keep all those guys happy. It was a widespread opinion that this bucs team had the greatest receiver group ever assembled

[BigDeeps01]

What position are they weak at? Don’t say they didn’t have any pro bowlers on O. Godwin made all pro in 2019 and G + Evans are top 8 WRs. The defense is stout also. The Bucs weren’t a bad team just that throwing 30+ INTs ruins any chance at winning games.

So we can't say they don't have any pro bowlers on offense. We can't say that they were a 7-9 team last year with no Brady. We can't say that Brady inspires his teammates to do better and literally just his presence brought gronk and AB to the fold.

Brady haters want to say that if you replace a QB who throws a lot of INTs to one that throws fewer INTs that you can go from 7-9 to SB champs. Who knew INTs on their own were such an important stat!!

Lmao

[Belome]

It was a widespread opinion that this bucs team had the greatest receiver group ever assembled

Aside from salty Rodgers fans... I don’t know anyone who thought this.

The chiefs held that title for like the last 3 years and will again in 2021.

[Belome]

Who knew INTs on their own were such an important stat!!

Green Bay fans know how much stock to put into interceptions.

[Tyler2106]

Because we all know the talent they have. Brady had to spread the ball around to keep all those guys happy. It was a widespread opinion that this bucs team had the greatest receiver group ever assembled

Had to spread the ball around to keep guys happy? I don't understand. Evans is willing to take a pay cut to keep everyone. Gronk spent 90% of the year blocking rather than running routes. You think they were crying to Brady to get them the ball more or were they happy to be on a team that was winning?

And you must live in La La Land if you think it's "widespread" opinion this was the greatest receiving core every assembled.

Evans is a great WR, but if you actually watched him, he isn't elite like people think he is. Multiple games this season he was getting shut down. Marshon Lattimore completely dominated him this season.

Godwin has had one good season (2019) in his career and the rest are WR2 numbers.

AB had 45 catches with one week being 11 or 12 catches just so he would hit his incentives. AB has more name recognition than what his actual play showed this season.

Gronk was a blocker 90% of the year and had less than 50 catches.

I know you won't understand, but this Bucs offense was far from being the best ever.

[Tyler2106]

So the Bucs weren’t loaded? If you replaced Winston with a qb that threw 15 less INTs they would have still gone 7-9?

So you're trying to make a point by using hypotheticals? That's never a strong argument.

There are a lot of QBs who didn't throw as many INTs as Winston and still failed to have a winning season or make the playoffs. There is no guarantee that the Bucs would improve having thrown less INTs.

[BigDeeps01]

Green Bay fans know how much stock to put into interceptions.

True enough lol

[chaunce54]

I would have accepted this argument 5 years ago, but it's been put to rest since then...

[Swept]

Brady cucks are so insecure LMAO

They know deep down he’s not the best. He’s made 3 first team all pro in 20 years and one of those Wentz was the lead candidate before he got injured week 13. So reality 2 in 20 years, one every decade LMAO.


Brady was so bad this past year he didn’t even get into the pro bowl, the player who sold the most jersey couldn’t get into the pro bowl. Just think about that, that’s how bad he was playing.



Terry Bradshaw 2.0

[Vhagar]

Brady cucks are so insecure LMAO

They know deep down he’s not the best. He’s made 3 first team all pro in 20 years and one of those Wentz was the lead candidate before he got injured week 13. So reality 2 in 20 years, one every decade LMAO.


Brady was so bad this past year he didn’t even get into the pro bowl, the player who sold the most jersey couldn’t get into the pro bowl. Just think about that, that’s how bad he was playing.



Terry Bradshaw 2.0

Imagine having to prop up your favorite player because they won more popularity contests

I guess we’ll just have to settle for the actual trophies

[Tyler2106]

Brady cucks are so insecure LMAO

They know deep down he’s not the best. He’s made 3 first team all pro in 20 years and one of those Wentz was the lead candidate before he got injured week 13. So reality 2 in 20 years, one every decade LMAO.


Brady was so bad this past year he didn’t even get into the pro bowl, the player who sold the most jersey couldn’t get into the pro bowl. Just think about that, that’s how bad he was playing.



Terry Bradshaw 2.0

Yikes. That's a big swing and miss on your trolling attempt.

[ohiostate124]

Brady cucks are so insecure LMAO

They know deep down he’s not the best. He’s made 3 first team all pro in 20 years and one of those Wentz was the lead candidate before he got injured week 13. So reality 2 in 20 years, one every decade LMAO.


Brady was so bad this past year he didn’t even get into the pro bowl, the player who sold the most jersey couldn’t get into the pro bowl. Just think about that, that’s how bad he was playing.



Terry Bradshaw 2.0

Try harder

[BigDeeps01]

Brady cucks are so insecure LMAO

They know deep down he’s not the best. He’s made 3 first team all pro in 20 years and one of those Wentz was the lead candidate before he got injured week 13. So reality 2 in 20 years, one every decade LMAO.


Brady was so bad this past year he didn’t even get into the pro bowl, the player who sold the most jersey couldn’t get into the pro bowl. Just think about that, that’s how bad he was playing.



Terry Bradshaw 2.0

Oof, this guy is arguing regular season accomplishments

OOF

[iamgenus]

They're wrong.

k

Bye.

[dyee4613]

Lol

Half right

Brady is the GOAT because he shined brightest when it mattered most but Manning was the better qb in most seasons. This is supported by 1st team all Pros (7 to 3) and MVPs (5 to 3). What seasons do you think Brady outplayed Manning? Here is a really good breakdown.

2001-2006 (Six Years): These are the years where the Brady/Manning reputation was built. Brady won three titles and began his career with a 10-0 playoff record. Manning’s Colts already lost two playoff games as favorites in ’99 and ’00, and would lose in Foxboro in ’03 and ’04 before losing as the #1 seed in ’05. Manning, though, was the better quarterback each regular season, with the possible exception of the 2001 season. Manning was arguably the best player in the NFL in ’03, ’04, and ’05, winning a major publication MVP award each season and was named as the AP’s first-team All-Pro each season. In ’06, Manning was the second-best quarterback to Drew Brees, and then Manning led a historic comeback against the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game before winning his first Super Bowl. This did not seem to change any narratives for Manning, however.

2007: Brady’s best year, of course. This was his Manning 04 season, and the first time he was clearly better than Manning.

2008: Brady missed the season with a torn ACL. Manning won another MVP award.

2009: Along with ’07, this was just the second time both players eclipsed 7.0 ANY/A. Statistically, this one was very close — Manning edged Brady 7.51 to 7.38 — but all the honors went to Manning. He was the overwhelming MVP choice, while Brady finished behind not just Manning but Brees and Philip Rivers in All-Pro and MVP voting. A big reason? Manning set an NFL record with 7 fourth-quarter comebacks, and his Colts began the year 14-0 and earned the #1 seed before Indianapolis began resting for the playoffs.

2010-2011: Brady is now the better quarterback, with injuries beginning to take their toll on Manning. He declined in 2010 and missed all of 2011, while Brady was magnificent with an 8.25 ANY/A both years, winning MVP honors in ’10.

2012-2014: Brady was still excellent these years, but Manning — now with the Broncos — was something else. He was perhaps the best player in football in ’12 and ’13 — winning the AP MVP award in ’13 and losing the AP version to Adrian Peterson by a vote of 30.5 to 19.5. In 2014, both quarterbacks were very good, although neither could credibly argue that they were the best quarterback in football.

2015: In ’15, Manning began to fall apart, and he retired after the season. Brady? He improved in ’15 and then again in ’16, and then won the AP MVP in 2017. This has been the second-best stretch for Brady, with only ’09 to ’12 being superior.Now, this will obviously be the final word on all topics Brady/Manning. In all seriousness, this is probably the most favorable way to look at things for Manning: arguments for Brady include him having a worse supporting cast during the ’00s, played in worse weather, and that ANY/A is more favorable to Manning than to Brady. For their careers, Manning has a 7.17 ANY/A average to Brady’s 7.12, while Brady has a 97.6 passer rating to Manning’s 96.5 rating.

Maybe you want to argue with a couple of those, but most of them are pretty straightforward, and Manning leads 12-6. This is quick-and-dirty, not a rigorous analysis, but that’s not especially close, and it’s hard for me to see which years I was unfair to Brady.

This is with Manning running the simplest offense scheme in the league (like 16 total plays) compared to Brady running the most complex system in the league.

[Evolutionary1]

Brady is the GOAT because he shined brightest when it mattered most but Manning was the better qb in most seasons. This is supported by 1st team all Pros (7 to 3) and MVPs (5 to 3). What seasons do you think Brady outplayed Manning? Here is a really good breakdown.





This is with Manning running the simplest offense scheme in the league (like 16 total plays) compared to Brady running the most complex system in the league.

Regular season GOAT. Too bad the NFL has a postseason

[Swept]

Brady is the GOAT because he shined brightest when it mattered most but Manning was the better qb in most seasons. This is supported by 1st team all Pros (7 to 3) and MVPs (5 to 3). What seasons do you think Brady outplayed Manning? Here is a really good breakdown.





This is with Manning running the simplest offense scheme in the league (like 16 total plays) compared to Brady running the most complex system in the league.

Don’t try using logic with Brady cucks. Look how insecure they are. Four of them responded to my post in under 20 minutes, without a single rebuttal.



“Hurr durr rangs”



Imagine Jordan, Lebron or Gretzky not being the best player at their positions for the overwhelming majority of their careers and claiming to be the goat. LMAO

[Evolutionary1]

Don’t try using logic with Brady cucks. Look how insecure they are. Four of them responded to my post in under 20 minutes, without a single rebuttal.



“Hurr durr rangs”



Imagine Jordan, Lebron or Gretzky not being the best player at their positions for the overwhelming majority of their careers and claiming to be the goat. LMAO

I was gonna respond but you can't talk sense to a lunatic