Peyton Manning, not Tom Brady, is actually the GOAT, according to PFR's HoF metrics

[BuckNakedinBama]

If Peyton knew how to lead and motivate a team and how to take care of his body this might be a debate, but he didn't, and it's not. TB12 is GOAT.

[PITA21]

If Peyton knew how to lead and motivate a team and how to take care of his body this might be a debate, but he didn't, and it's not. TB12 is GOAT.

And once again you have not refuted one single point I posted proving Brady is not the GOAT, other bloviating armchair analysis low football IQ post

[Evolutionary1]

Pro bowl is like a participation trophy for people who don't go far into the postseason. Brady easily had a pro bowl caliber year, but he gets snubbed.

The MVP almost never wins the SB.

Maybe he knows that and would rather win the Chip

[GarthVader]

Every single thing in your post after the link is factually wrong. You should never post on this forum again.

Refer to your sig

[Evolutionary1]

Also Peyton's 2nd SB was him basically being carried to the finish line by his defense and the backup QB


This is just trolling for attention

[Tyler2106]

I commend you all who have repped me in agreement. We must not bow to the brady mob. They have still refused to refuse or counteract any of my analysis other than posting superbowl wins. A argument I have already thoroughly debunked and destroyed.

But the thing is you haven't debunked anything. You've just posted emotional Brady hating babble. Saying things like Brady was carried to the Super Bowl this season isn't debunking anything. "The refs combined with the Falcons gifted a Super Bowl to Brady" is some of the dumbest chit I've heard. Again, how is that debunking anything? Multiple cheating scandals?

Everyone of your posts is Brady hating babble backed up by nothing but a computer program that values Manning's MVPs and All Pro accolades over Brady's 7 rings. That's fkn stupid.

Congrats on being repped by the other retards on this forum who think what you've said is true.

[PITA21]

But the thing is you haven't debunked anything. You've just posted emotional Brady hating babble. Saying things like Brady was carried to the Super Bowl this season isn't debunking anything. "The refs combined with the Falcons gifted a Super Bowl to Brady" is some of the dumbest chit I've heard. Again, how is that debunking anything? Multiple cheating scandals?

Everyone of your posts is Brady hating babble backed up by nothing but a computer program that values Manning's MVPs and All Pro accolades over Brady's 7 rings. That's fkn stupid.

Congrats on being repped by the other retards on this forum who think what you've said is true.

cry more, just saying someone is "posted emotional Brady hating babble" is not a valid point against my arguments

the fact that you will pretend like brady's multiple cheating scandals aren't well documented national stories just shows the level of idiocy and sycophancy you have about this topic. I am going to choose to not acknowledge your responses any further. Saying "I'm right and you're wrong" which is what you and other brady ass lickers continue to profess does not address any of my substantiated claims, and quite frankly brady cheating is substantiated and a objective fact at face value. I'm sorry but that's not the way the real world works, continue being a moronic mouth breather like many other low IQ sport fans. You're no better than the drunk idiots screaming at TV's in the average buffalo wild wings as if it will change the outcome. You're no better than trumpers who claimed for months biden would never be inaugurated. Really pathetic to be frank. Good luck.

[Evolutionary1]

cry more, just saying someone is "posted emotional Brady hating babble" is not a valid point against my arguments

the fact that you will pretend like brady's multiple cheating scandals aren't well documented national stories just shows the level of idiocy and sycophancy you have about this topic. I am going to choose to not acknowledge your responses any further. Saying "I'm right and you're wrong" which is what you and other brady ass lickers continue to profess does not address any of my substantiated claims, and quite frankly brady cheating is substantiated and a objective fact at face value. I'm sorry but that's not the way the real world works, continue being a moronic mouth breather like many other low IQ sport fans. You're no better than the drunk idiots screaming at TV's in the average buffalo wild wings as if it will change the outcome. You're no better than trumpers who claimed for months biden would never be inaugurated. Really pathetic to be frank. Good luck.

What are your thoughts on Manning's historically bad performance in the 2nd SB win and the season before?


inb4 ignored

[niospecv]

All I'm saying is, TB12 has nice hair. Who is his hair doctor and what treatment did he get?

He definitely colors his hair.

[Belome]

I posted proving Brady is not the GOAT,

You have failed to do this.

Tom Brady as #2 and Joe Montana as the #6 is not a thing in any persons all Time list and you are window licker status for trying to argue it.

[ohiostate124]

Op is basically stealing that “not an argument” schtick from that one dude. I predict he will be red again very soon.

[PITA21]

What are your thoughts on Manning's historically bad performance in the 2nd SB win and the season before?


inb4 ignored

i've already talked about this at length, football is a TEAM game. Manning was not good in that season at all, however over the course of his career he had precisely the parallel opposite of Brady

A one man wrecking crew with no surrounding talent and poor coaching who went to championships for the most part in spite of that. A QB with elite level talent which was more than less unstoppable until the team around him fell apart. Manning was not a system QB throwing a few slants and screens sitting back waiting for the defense to win the game. He threaded the needle and audibled with elite defense recognition skills, processing time and line audibles. The opposite of brady who throws it two a 8ft tightend who than proceeds to run 60 yards down the field breaking through 8 tacklers.

[PITA21]

Op is basically stealing that “not an argument” schtick from that one dude. I predict he will be red again very soon.

The real schtick was from you insisting Trump would win the presidency by some means after being declared the loser than welching on your ban bet. Another sad loser who enjoys getting destroyed over and over again by me

[Evolutionary1]

i've already talked about this at length, football is a TEAM game. Manning was not good in that season at all, however over the course of his career he had precisely the parallel opposite of Brady

A one man wrecking crew with no surrounding talent and poor coaching who went to championships for the most part in spite of that. A QB with elite level talent which was more than less unstoppable until the team around him fell apart. Manning was not a system QB throwing a few slants and screens sitting back waiting for the defense to win the game. He threaded the needle and audibled with elite defense recognition skills, processing time and line audibles. The opposite of brady who throws it two a 8ft tightend who than proceeds to run 60 yards down the field breaking through 8 tacklers.

lol
Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Jeff Saturday, Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders Dallas Clark= no surrounding talent

Tony Dungy is a bad coach when Peyton was practically the coach

This is all COPE

[PITA21]

lol
Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Jeff Saturday, Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders Dallas Clark= no surrounding talent

Tony Dungy is a bad coach when Peyton was practically the coach

This is all COPE

Really? Tell me about all those superstars on the colts defense, then we'll talk Brady COPER. Then talk about Brady consistently having a TOP 10 Defense COPER. Oh wait, I bet you didn't want to talk about that side of the equation because you're a short sighted moron.

[Evolutionary1]

Really? Tell me about all those superstars on the colts defense, then we'll talk Brady COPER. Then talk about Brady consistently having a TOP 10 Defense COPER. Oh wait, I bet you didn't want to talk about that side of the equation because you're a short sighted moron.

Brady is the GOAT doesn't matter what you think about the defense. Brady makes the defense better. Did you ever notice how when Brady got fired a starts to turn it around the defense does as well?

YOU are still Coping.

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Goat clutchness vs. Career choker

Keep the MVPS look what it's gotten Aaron Rodgers. LOL

[SmashinYoungVag]

Brady is the GOAT doesn't matter what you think about the defense. Brady makes the defense better. Did you ever notice how when Brady got fired a starts to turn it around the defense does as well?

YOU are still Coping.

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Goat clutchness vs. Career choker

Keep the MVPS look what it's gotten Aaron Rodgers. LOL

Brady makes the defense better? Really? I’m sure Ty law, Seymour, Harrison, McGinest, bruschi, samuel, Mccourty, wilfork, vrabel, hightower etc were all scrubs that needed Brady to lift em up

[dyee4613]

Brady is the GOAT doesn't matter what you think about the defense. Brady makes the defense better. Did you ever notice how when Brady got fired a starts to turn it around the defense does as well?

YOU are still Coping.

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Goat clutchness vs. Career choker

Keep the MVPS look what it's gotten Aaron Rodgers. LOL

You think the defense overperforming for Brady's career is due to Brady and not like the greatest defensive mind in NFL history as the HC?

[Evolutionary1]

Brady makes the defense better? Really? I’m sure Ty law, Seymour, Harrison, McGinest, bruschi, samuel, Mccourty, wilfork, vrabel, hightower etc were all scrubs that needed Brady to lift em up

Maybe for the first 3 SB.

You think the defense overperforming for Brady's career is due to Brady and not like the greatest defensive mind in NFL history as the HC?

Well That Defense almost lost against the Seahawks, and Definitely against the Eagles.
Defense certainly wasn't the only thing to blame against the Falcons, but it was Brady that turned the game around and at the same time the Defense also held.

[Tyler2106]

Defense certainly wasn't the only thing to blame against the Falcons, but it was Brady that turned the game around and at the same time the Defense also held.

According to OP, Brady had nothing to do with that comeback. It was all the refs and Falcons, who came together and collectively decided they would "gift" Brady the win.

[ohiostate124]

The real schtick was from you insisting Trump would win the presidency by some means after being declared the loser than welching on your ban bet. Another sad loser who enjoys getting destroyed over and over again by me

Lol nothing you said is true

Let’s talk about Manning getting actually carried to the super bowl with the Broncos after finishing the year with 9 tds and 17 ints.

Majorcope.gif

[Belome]

I’m just asking why a list that has Joe Montana as the 6th best QB can be taken seriously


Anyone?

[DynamicDot]

Lol I was thinking of posting this to rustle jimmies. Good work OP. I think Brady is the GOAT these days due to longevity but Peyton in his prime >>>>

[BearyManilowe]

I cant tell what's worse, this thread or the Lamar is a Top 5 QB thread.

[TommyRO]

I’m just asking why a list that has Joe Montana as the 6th best QB can be taken seriously


Anyone?

In terms of winning Montana was the Goat till Brady took over and the 2nd Greatest. But is Montana the best QB you've ever seen? Is he better than Brady, Manning, Arod, Mahommes, Farve, and Marino at their peaks? If Montana and Marino swapped places would the results be the same?

[Tyler2106]

In terms of winning Montana was the Goat till Brady took over and the 2nd Greatest. But is Montana the best QB you've ever seen? Is he better than Brady, Manning, Arod, Mahommes, Farve, and Marino at their peaks? If Montana and Marino swapped places would the results be the same?

"Using approximate value, Pro Bowls, All-Pros, championships and other statistical milestones"

The issue is: Manning edges out Brady because Manning has 2 more NFL MVP awards and 4 more All Pro selections. How do those outweigh the 5 extra Super Bowls that Brady has won? How does that outweigh the fact that Brady is 43 and still winning championships and putting up top 5 QB stats? The website states "other statistical milestones" but Brady owns almost all the meaningful QB stats.

OP found the one article that puts Brady at #2 and decided to share it as if it was the be all end all of the GOAT debate. The "statistical" numbers are most likely meant to not be subjective, but the value they placed on each category is subjective.

At the end of the day, Brady is the most successful at what really matters and that's winning championships. I guarantee any QB would take a Super Bowl win over a regular season warrior award.

[TommyRO]

"Using approximate value, Pro Bowls, All-Pros, championships and other statistical milestones"

The issue is: Manning edges out Brady because Manning has 2 more NFL MVP awards and 4 more All Pro selections. How do those outweigh the 5 extra Super Bowls that Brady has won? How does that outweigh the fact that Brady is 43 and still winning championships and putting up top 5 QB stats? The website states "other statistical milestones" but Brady owns almost all the meaningful QB stats.

OP found the one article that puts Brady at #2 and decided to share it as if it was the be all end all of the GOAT debate. The "statistical" numbers are most likely meant to not be subjective, but the value they placed on each category is subjective.

At the end of the day, Brady is the most successful at what really matters and that's winning championships. I guarantee any QB would take a Super Bowl win over a regular season warrior award.

I understand and said OPs claim was trash. I simply responded to the fact that the most accomplished doesn't necessarily mean the best we have ever seen at their peaks and why I asked the replacement question about how Montana can't be top 5. What happens when Marino swaps places with Montana? What if Arod with Brady?

[SmashinYoungVag]

"Using approximate value, Pro Bowls, All-Pros, championships and other statistical milestones"

The issue is: Manning edges out Brady because Manning has 2 more NFL MVP awards and 4 more All Pro selections. How do those outweigh the 5 extra Super Bowls that Brady has won? How does that outweigh the fact that Brady is 43 and still winning championships and putting up top 5 QB stats? The website states "other statistical milestones" but Brady owns almost all the meaningful QB stats.

OP found the one article that puts Brady at #2 and decided to share it as if it was the be all end all of the GOAT debate. The "statistical" numbers are most likely meant to not be subjective, but the value they placed on each category is subjective.

At the end of the day, Brady is the most successful at what really matters and that's winning championships. I guarantee any QB would take a Super Bowl win over a regular season warrior award.

Is that supposed to mean one quarterback is better than another?

Would Marino love to have a super bowl? Of course. Does he want foles career?

[BigDeeps01]

Cope in this thread is at an all time high. I'm generally concerned about the well being of some of you guys

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

Cope in this thread is at an all time high. I'm generally concerned about the well being of some of you guys

This. I've never seen cope levels so high.