Ok, nothing against casein at all. I was thinking about trying it out the other day as something before bed but then I heard Eric Helms talk about how having eggs or a steak is already a slow digesting protein source just like casein. So in essence if I have a steak for dinner, then I'll have the same slow digesting protein effect as just taking in pure casein would be.
Thoughts?
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Thread: Casein is overrated?
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02-17-2021, 05:26 PM #1
Casein is overrated?
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02-17-2021, 06:04 PM #2
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02-17-2021, 06:06 PM #3
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It’s just protein...
You can just eat Greek yogurt or cottage cheese too.
It’s not going to make a noticeable difference in the long term.
Daily protein intake is the most important thing... especially if you’re already eating 3+ protein rich meals per day
Personally the idea of having a stomach full of protein before bed sounds bad because it will impact my sleep... and if I drank it, I’ll just get up to pee more"When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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02-17-2021, 06:42 PM #4
Milk is about 80% casein. Strained things like greek yogurt and cottage cheese are even higher percentage. So drinking a glass of chocolate milk at night is “having casein” at night. Sure, there is less fancy buzzwords on the label, and its not gonna make or break anything. Just find what fits your wallet and your taste buds.
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02-17-2021, 08:03 PM #5
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02-18-2021, 01:07 AM #6
It seems like you're interested in 2 different questions:
- is pre bed protein overrated?
- is casein overrated?
To the first one: pre bed protein may have a specific benefit but so far the long term studies conducted haven't really shown a significant benefit. This may be because the studies weren't strong enough or it may be that pre bed protein just doesn't have a specific benefit.
If you have diner at say 19:00 it's likely that muscle protein balance will go negative overnight. Not a big deal but if you're someone that's determined to maximise muscle building I'd recommend having sufficient pre bed protein. Having steak at say 19:00 is unlikely to maximise overnight muscle protein synthesis. Having the steak at 23:00 would work better.
To the second one: it's just a slow digesting protein powder.
It's questionable whether pre bed protein really has to be slow digesting. There isn't any study that has compared whey and casein overnight.
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02-21-2021, 09:43 AM #7
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