Is ghost a good pre workout?

[JustinSmith52]

Does it have creatine? And does it give u energy? I’m interested in starting it and haven’t found anything about if it helps with strength during ur workout. Thanks.

[lucia316]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest you not buy it if you don't know what's actually in it and what it does.

What pre-workout you choose is based on whether you want feelings of energy, pumps, focus or some combination of the three.

[ManwittaPlan]

Does it have creatine? And does it give u energy? I’m interested in starting it and haven’t found anything about if it helps with strength during ur workout. Thanks.

Yes

Decent doses of citrulline, beta alanine and the big one for me (and very under rated) alpha gpc.

Beta alanine has been proven in double blind placebo controlled studies (if you’d like a link let me know or google)

Alpha gpc had also been proven for focus and strength. Again, If you need a link let me know.

Citrulline is a good vasodilator...improved blood flow and lowers blood pressure.

200mg of caffeine which to me is not high at all

All ghosts protein powders taste amazing so I can’t see their ore workout being sub par

[JustinSmith52]

Yes

Decent doses of citrulline, beta alanine and the big one for me (and very under rated) alpha gpc.

Beta alanine has been proven in double blind placebo controlled studies (if you’d like a link let me know or google)

Alpha gpc had also been proven for focus and strength. Again, If you need a link let me know.

Citrulline is a good vasodilator...improved blood flow and lowers blood pressure.

200mg of caffeine which to me is not high at all

All ghosts protein powders taste amazing so I can’t see their ore workout being sub par

Ok cool! And does it have any creatine?

[ManwittaPlan]

Ok cool! And does it have any creatine?

It does not

[Ghawk21]

Ok cool! And does it have any creatine?

Creatine works best when taken daily(5g/day) since it needs to reach a saturation point to be effective. When its sprinkled into pre-workouts it isn't going to do much of anything.

[lucia316]

Beta alanine has been proven in double blind placebo controlled studies (if you’d like a link let me know or google)

Proven to do what? There is little to no value for weight training and body comp goals.

[tbonestake]

It’s good but expensive

[ManwittaPlan]

Proven to do what? There is little to no value for weight training and body comp goals.

Wrong

Google beta alanine on trained wrestlers, vs a placebo the BA group saw an increase in lbm and a loss in fat mass in 8 weeks. That’s only one study.

Quote from the first hit on google for an alpha gpc study:
“ A-GPC is effective at increasing lower body force production after 6 days of supplementation. Sport performance coaches can consider adding A-GPC to the diet of speed and power athletes to enhance muscle performance.”

[ManwittaPlan]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21659893/

[Ghawk21]

Wrong

Google beta alanine on trained wrestlers, vs a placebo the BA group saw an increase in lbm and a loss in fat mass in 8 weeks. That’s only one study.

Quote from the first hit on google for an alpha gpc study:
“ A-GPC is effective at increasing lower body force production after 6 days of supplementation. Sport performance coaches can consider adding A-GPC to the diet of speed and power athletes to enhance muscle performance.”

RE: the BA study. They took 4 grams/day and the results weren't even statistically significant. Taking a pre-workout on and off at ~1.6g isn't the same. They also only did a 3 day food record at week 3 out of an 8 week study so not really much control there. Not a very strong study overall.

[lucia316]

Wrong

Oh wait...

RE: the BA study. They took 4 grams/day and the results weren't even statistically significant. Taking a pre-workout on and off at ~1.6g isn't the same. They also only did a 3 day food record at week 3 out of an 8 week study so not really much control there. Not a very strong study overall.

Ouch. Pretty sure you didn't actually read through that...you would have seen the things Ghawk pointed out and other things like:
1) Where the supplement groups gained more mass, but they also consumed more calories on the 3 days out of 8 weeks total that they did track...shocker. Not that this was very well controlled in the first place.
2) My favorite part is where they try to explain away why statistical significance wasn't met because they did a poor job of setting up their study by having too much variation in their subjects. How does that even pass peer review?
3) Point 2 exacerbates the poor results when you look at the body comp changes. They even celebrate this after they make the excuse about the subjects. Mind blown.
4) A whole 1 second difference on average in flexed arm hang...woot!
5) And the wonky standard deviations across the board.
6) There was ZERO control over training protocols. None. Just eat whatever you want, take your 4g of BA or placebo and continue with your life either practicing or competing in-season with what you've been supplied by your coaches/trainers. Combine that with the lack of difference in end results, and you got a whole lot of nothing real.

This sums it up pretty well:
"The subjects taking β-alanine, FB supplement, and WR supplement, achieved more desirable results in all tests (mean values) compared to those on placebo, though no statistically significant difference was seen between mean change values - pre to posttreatment - on any tested variables."

Not sure why you thought this supported your thesis, but then you didn't actually read it...sooo.

Outside of things that require muscular endurance >2 hours, BA has no value.

You can read through many studies all organized here: https://examine.com/supplements/beta-alanine/

Quote from the first hit on google for an alpha gpc study:
“ A-GPC is effective at increasing lower body force production after 6 days of supplementation. Sport performance coaches can consider adding A-GPC to the diet of speed and power athletes to enhance muscle performance.”

Cool. No one was talking about this...but thanks for the copy pasta.

[ManwittaPlan]

RE: the BA study. They took 4 grams/day and the results weren't even statistically significant. Taking a pre-workout on and off at ~1.6g isn't the same. They also only did a 3 day food record at week 3 out of an 8 week study so not really much control there. Not a very strong study overall.

In Response to the member who stated “ proven to do what? There is little to no value for weight training and body comp goals.”

He is wrong

It clearly states there is an increase in lean mass and reduction in bodyfat from supplementing with beta alanine.

Now, did he mean from beta alanine or ghost or both? He wasn’t clear just a blanket statement with no evidence.

[ManwittaPlan]

Oh wait...



Ouch. Pretty sure you didn't actually read through that...you would have seen the things Ghawk pointed out and other things like:
1) Where the supplement groups gained more mass, but they also consumed more calories on the 3 days out of 8 weeks total that they did track...shocker. Not that this was very well controlled in the first place.
2) My favorite part is where they try to explain away why statistical significance wasn't met because they did a poor job of setting up their study by having too much variation in their subjects. How does that even pass peer review?
3) Point 2 exacerbates the poor results when you look at the body comp changes. They even celebrate this after they make the excuse about the subjects. Mind blown.
4) A whole 1 second difference on average in flexed arm hang...woot!
5) And the wonky standard deviations across the board.
6) There was ZERO control over training protocols. None. Just eat whatever you want, take your 4g of BA or placebo and continue with your life either practicing or competing in-season with what you've been supplied by your coaches/trainers. Combine that with the lack of difference in end results, and you got a whole lot of nothing real.

This sums it up pretty well:
"The subjects taking β-alanine, FB supplement, and WR supplement, achieved more desirable results in all tests (mean values) compared to those on placebo, though no statistically significant difference was seen between mean change values - pre to posttreatment - on any tested variables."

Not sure why you thought this supported your thesis, but then you didn't actually read it...sooo.

Outside of things that require muscular endurance >2 hours, BA has no value.

You can read through many studies all organized here: https://examine.com/supplements/beta-alanine/



Cool. No one was talking about this...but thanks for the copy pasta.

Sure

[Ghawk21]

In Response to the member who stated “ proven to do what? There is little to no value for weight training and body comp goals.”

He is wrong

It clearly states there is an increase in lean mass and reduction in bodyfat from supplementing with beta alanine.

Now, did he mean from beta alanine or ghost or both? He wasn’t clear just a blanket statement with no evidence.

There was nothing clear about it, the study was a mess. Small sample size, no controls, and no statistically significant results. Lucia gave a more thorough breakdown of the problems, I picked up on several just giving it a once over.

You can't just read an article title, cherry pick a line out of the abstract and use it to prove a point.

[ManwittaPlan]

There was nothing clear about it, the study was a mess. Small sample size, no controls, and no statistically significant results. Lucia gave a more thorough breakdown of the problems, I picked up on several just giving it a once over.

You can't just read an article title, cherry pick a line out of the abstract and use it to prove a point.

I just did

[Ghawk21]

I just did

Okay cool, thank you for confirming you don't know how to read a research paper and that you haven't made a point. Carry on and happy Friday.

[taydbear7]

Never had their PWO but their energy drink is bomb!

[Bigdumogre]

Wtf is gong on in here

[ManwittaPlan]

Wtf is gong on in here

Someone must’ve contacted you and told you to check out the thread

[ManwittaPlan]

Never had their PWO but their energy drink is bomb!

I just had their “cereal milk” protein powder....amazing! Tastes just like capn crunch

[lucia316]

In Response to the member who stated “ proven to do what? There is little to no value for weight training and body comp goals.”

He is wrong

It clearly states there is an increase in lean mass and reduction in bodyfat from supplementing with beta alanine.

Now, did he mean from beta alanine or ghost or both? He wasn’t clear just a blanket statement with no evidence.

Your inability to interpret even the lack of statistical significance is the issue here. You say, "Sure," in response to the study you posted getting wrecked, but then, still have the balls to claim it's actually doing something?? /mindblown.

I just did

Dat lack of comprehension is strong. Pubmed ninjaing is totally "proof."

Carry on with your day sir.

[ManwittaPlan]

Your inability to interpret even the lack of statistical significance is the issue here. You say, "Sure," in response to the study you posted getting wrecked, but then, still have the balls to claim it's actually doing something?? /mindblown.




Dat lack of comprehension is strong. Pubmed ninjaing is totally "proof."

Carry on with your day sir.

Every time you reply, you sound angry and add zero value. May god have mercy on your soul.

[lucia316]

Every time you reply, you sound angry and add zero value. May god have mercy on your soul.

LOL. Naw, just chuckling at chumps that think they know when they don't. Enjoy your BCAAs brah!

[ManwittaPlan]

LOL. Naw, just chuckling at chumps that think they know when they don't. Enjoy your BCAAs brah!

Sure

[BeginnerGainz]

Coffee only as pre workout crew

[lucia316]

Sure

[ManwittaPlan]

Coffee only as pre workout crew

That’s 95 percent of the time for me

[Bigdumogre]

Someone must’ve contacted you and told you to check out the thread

Ummm no they dident. And dident realize you started the thread?

[ManwittaPlan]

Ummm no they dident. And dident realize you started the thread?

I started it all