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    Sadly for Texas, with people now expecting the government and everyone else to be involved in every minor problem....

    They probably will overcorrect in this.

    Most likely they will spend billions on adjusting their infrastructure so people won't have to be inconvenienced, or self-reliant, for a few days once every 5-10 years or so.

    To make matters worse- They will get pressured to enter one of the 2 national grids- which will result in federal authority involved in their current almost federal free grid.



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    Originally Posted by HYDRAE View Post
    that's probably because you don't understand what actually happened.

    CA had power brown outs/shut offs because of poor planning and extreme conditions (drought and fire danger). They shut the grid down on purpose to prevent wild fires because they didn't prepare their infrastructure.
    TX has brown outs/shut offs because of poor planning and extreme conditions (snow and cold). The grid shut its self down because of equipment failures because they didn't prepare their infrastructure.

    Has literally nothing to do with "regulating your way into not being able to generate enough supply". If anything, utility providers needed MORE regulation to ensure they had infrastructure robust enough to endure inclement weather because clearly they are failing at their most basic duty.
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    Originally Posted by HYDRAE View Post
    that's probably because you don't understand what actually happened.

    CA had power brown outs/shut offs because of poor planning and extreme conditions (drought and fire danger). They shut the grid down on purpose to prevent wild fires because they didn't prepare their infrastructure.
    TX has brown outs/shut offs because of poor planning and extreme conditions (snow and cold). The grid shut its self down because of equipment failures because they didn't prepare their infrastructure.

    Has literally nothing to do with "regulating your way into not being able to generate enough supply". If anything, utility providers needed MORE regulation to ensure they had infrastructure robust enough to endure inclement weather because clearly they are failing at their most basic duty.
    "poor" planning is an opniion.


    They made it with the understanding of an acceptable loss time in one of these kinds of events

    The cost to be prepared for something so uncommon doesn't come close to the rare need.

    It's a common concession in the south.

    The concessions road prep supplies and equipment, government vehicle chains/tires, and everything else.


    Kinda the same way colorado doesn't prepare for hurricanes.


    Could they? yes Is it worth the cost? no
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    I want to post some stuff about why, but I really do not feel like arguing. It is serious in Austin and going to take months to fix. We do not have enough contractors to fix the amount of plumbing bursts and water remediation. Our stores have closed because they have no water... I'm talking Whole Foods, Costco etc. Neighborhoods with no power, no water and some no food. The water company is providing no updates on why, how or when.

    At the moment, my power is on and my water is running, with no burst pipes in any of our properties. A few of our employees have not had power since Sunday.

    There will be a lot of death from this... elderly, homeless and the vulnerable.

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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I want to post some stuff about why, but I really do not feel like arguing. It is serious in Austin and going to take months to fix. We do not have enough contractors to fix the amount of plumbing bursts and water remediation. Our stores have closed because they have no water... I'm talking Whole Foods, Costco etc.

    At the moment, my power is on and my water is running, with no burst pipes in any of our properties. A few of our employees have not had power since Sunday.

    There will be a lot of death from this... elderly, homeless and the vulnerable.
    This is the reason why everyone needs to take climate change seriously.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I want to post some stuff about why, but I really do not feel like arguing. It is serious in Austin and going to take months to fix. We do not have enough contractors to fix the amount of plumbing bursts and water remediation. Our stores have closed because they have no water... I'm talking Whole Foods, Costco etc. Neighborhoods with no power, no water and some no food. The water company is providing no updates on why, how or when.

    At the moment, my power is on and my water is running, with no burst pipes in any of our properties. A few of our employees have not had power since Sunday.

    There will be a lot of death from this... elderly, homeless and the vulnerable.

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    I get sent these disasters all the time- fortunately for me this is one of the rare circumstances I don’t have to go - and I’m glad.


    My colleagues are there, Huston, and Dallas.


    I can tell you this from being at many of them it’s pretty much the same apocalypse seeming scenario every-time.

    -Entire neighborhoods and towns need remediation of some sort
    -Limited supply of goods
    -infrastructure damage everywhere
    -fuel storage is in long lines for a week
    -people waiting in long lines for a delivery that might not come until tomorrow from either groceries or gas
    -bottled or gallon water out everywhere- but when someone does a drop off shipment of it there’s a 3 mile line on the road to get to it

    Etc etc


    The worst I’ve seen is Katrina - ironically the next worse after that was probably Lumberton North Carolina four years ago- complete water system breakdown for months.



    What you will find his service personnel coming from all over the country- and things getting back to normal way sooner than you possibly can imagine.

    Insurance money flooding the streets- and fema money picking up the shortfalls.


    It will be normal way sooner....


    My guess the first thing coming out of this is y’all hooking up for the national grid- which actually completely wouldn’t help you here either from component breakdowns.- but it would’ve helped probably makes sense.


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    This is the reason why everyone needs to take infrastructure seriously, and not get distracted with useless climate change measures.
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    Begging for federal aid after talk of seceding

    Blaming renewable power for power outages while being a leading oil and natural gas producer

    100 car pileups on highways because of an inch of snow

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    Almost all of our hospitals are now out of water. Dell children's has flooded, along with another hospital. The sprinklers in another one burst an hour ago and is now flooding.
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    This is the reason why everyone needs to take climate change seriously.
    Your very existence contributes to it......so?
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    Infrastructure doesn't fix climate.
    We can always rebuild amirite?
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    Sadly for Texas, with people now expecting the government and everyone else to be involved in every minor problem....

    They probably will overcorrect in this.

    Most likely they will spend billions on adjusting their infrastructure so people won't have to be inconvenienced, or self-reliant, for a few days once every 5-10 years or so.

    To make matters worse- They will get pressured to enter one of the 2 national grids- which will result in federal authority involved in their current almost federal free grid.



    as I already said...

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    "minor problem"

    Keep this up and TX is soon going the way of GA.

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    Originally Posted by KhaosRises View Post
    The difference is that California is still a richer state and better prepared for this. Texans wouldn't survive even a fraction of what Californians have endured. Texas, all bark no bite LMAO.
    If California is so "rich", how come their homelessness levels have reached biblical proportions? How come they can't fix the mountains of literal human feces in the streets? How come historic numbers of people are leaving that hellhole because they're tired of being taxed to death?

    But but but muh weather!

    Originally Posted by KhaosRises View Post
    Are you even surprised? Georgia ranks very low in the ranks of most educated states. Texas isn't far behind btw.
    Psst - look at the demographics of the poorest and "lowest educated" areas of Georgia.

    Oops.
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    We can always rebuild amirite?
    Ah, splendid. So you don't care about a few windows being broken at the Capital building because they can just be rebuilt. After all, if you're more upset about easily replaceable property than you are the reason why people are upset, you're part of the problem. And since when are protests supposed to be peaceful? They're supposed to make others uncomfortable.

    At least, that's what we were told when countless businesses and entire cities were being burned to the ground all summer. But I guess that was (D)different.
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    So many people BITCHING about this and blaming the government.

    Here's some FACTS about this Texas situation:


    - Much of South Texas has only had snow twice the past decade. Last time being last month.
    - Much of Texas is further south than Mexico
    - Austin is geographically more south than San Diego, Phoenix, Tijuana, and LA.
    - Texas is 2000 North of the Equator
    - Our means of acquiring energy (oil, gas, solar, wind) are stressed since much of that is frozen due to the temperatures.
    - WE DON'T KEEP CHIT LIKE SNOW PLOWS, SALT, ETC ON DECK BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THESE CONDITIONS OFTEN
    - We could be dealing with these freezing temperatures for the next 3 - 4 days.
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    We are having a gas crisis. Fukking people down here in South Texas are pumping gas like crazy. It's like a movie. Many people have been without power for 2 days going on 3 days and are using their cars to stay warm and charge up devices. Motels and hotels are booked.

    I've been blessed to not lose power or water. Internet went down for 5 hours, thats it. Feel bad for others.
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    Originally Posted by HYDRAE View Post
    Ok - so basically you don't have a leg to stand on. Destroyed your "regulation and supply" argument, then you changed it up a bit to say that they couldn't have possibly predicted or prepared for this, when it happened ten years ago and there is a literal report on what went wrong. And the same things went wrong.

    Shocking. Ted was right, there is no defense. Just take the L and go home.
    You really think events that happen once every ten years warrants billions of dollars in infrastructure that serves zero purpose outside of those events?

    No it does not. That was my point. It's called context.
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    I remember the Ice Storm of 98. That said, I'm not sure Texas is dealing with downed power lines so much as the water in the natural gas lines are freezing.
    And in NY our powerlines were made for ice storms.
    Texas? not so much.

    I mean, did you even research it for yourself?
    Like i said a simple google search shows plenty of instances where power lines are off the poles and even in some instances after repairs, they ice up and blow off the poles again.
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    So many people BITCHING about this and blaming the government.

    Here's some FACTS about this Texas situation:


    - Much of South Texas has only had snow twice the past decade. Last time being last month.
    - Much of Texas is further south than Mexico
    - Austin is geographically more south than San Diego, Phoenix, Tijuana, and LA.
    - Texas is 2000 North of the Equator
    - Our means of acquiring energy (oil, gas, solar, wind) are stressed since much of that is frozen due to the temperatures.
    - WE DON'T KEEP CHIT LIKE SNOW PLOWS, SALT, ETC ON DECK BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THESE CONDITIONS OFTEN
    - We could be dealing with these freezing temperatures for the next 3 - 4 days.
    just like these 2 places, check this out.

    1.http://www.africanews.com/2021/02/17...-a-good-omen//

    2. https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/saudi-...ees-snow-fall/
    sums it up a thread will start off promising and then turn into name calling..
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    You really think events that happen once every ten years warrants billions of dollars in infrastructure that serves zero purpose outside of those events?

    No it does not. That was my point. It's called context.
    It would not have cost billions to prevent the failure of our power grid this week.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    It would not have cost billions to prevent the failure of our power grid this week.
    it's at least in the 100s of millions
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    You really think events that happen once every ten years warrants billions of dollars in infrastructure that serves zero purpose outside of those events?

    No it does not. That was my point. It's called context.
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    it's at least in the 100s of millions
    I doesn't cost billions to winterize generators and SCADA/instrumentation properly. Just how much do you think shutting down an entire state for a week and paying all the insurance claims is going to cost? Its called context.

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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    it's at least in the 100s of millions
    No, not even that much. It really would have taken just a strong meeting with the producers on Feb 8th to fully explain the freeze coming up and emphasize emergency prevention take place. A few of the producers were in maintenance phase. ERCOT did send a message on Feb 8th, but they didn't have a strong comprehensive meeting until Feb 12, and then didn't initiate rolling blackouts correctly on the night of the 14th, which by then was too late.

    It was a lack of early leadership.

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    But let's say it would have cost 1 billion dollars to prevent this. I take the position: The losses due to this failure will exceed 1 billion. In just my zipcode losses will be over 20 million....as of today.
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    9th largest economy in the world and people are ****ting in plastic bags and boiling snow for water in many parts of Texas. 3rd world conditions out here with many roads impassable and hospitals getting water/power cut off. So much for texas exceptionalism lmao.

    For context, I live in austin and just got power back after 4 days without. No water service either. People are back to panic buying at grocery stores and running gas stations dry. What a massive embarrassment for texas leadership and their political agendas. The infrastructure & emergency responsiveness in this state is a joke. Feel bad for the elderly, disabled and families with small children that have to endure this disaster.
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    Governor Abbott to the rescue [After the fact]. Now demanding socialistic mandates/regulations as a solution. Fukking lol.



    Texas Governor Greg Abbott on Thursday said he has asked the state legislature to mandate the winterization of generators, after a deep freeze knocked out power to millions of Texans this week.

    Abbott said he also called for the funding needed to ensure that winterization and modernization occurs.

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    Originally Posted by niospecv View Post
    We are having a gas crisis. Fukking people down here in South Texas are pumping gas like crazy. It's like a movie. Many people have been without power for 2 days going on 3 days and are using their cars to stay warm and charge up devices. Motels and hotels are booked.

    I've been blessed to not lose power or water. Internet went down for 5 hours, thats it. Feel bad for others.
    The Toyota Prius is actually the best car in the world for this situation since it can run the heater on both engine and hybrid battery power and the engine would be shut off like 90% of the time in such a situation.
    Normally a Prius gets twice the fuel economy of a regular car, but I think it would actually be 20 or even 50 times better fuel economy in this situation of sitting in park and heating the cabin. I watch some camping videos on YouTube and they sleep in their Prius with the car running and very little fuel is used for a whole night of the car heating the cabin.
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    California has trouble functioning in predictable seasonable weather while Texas has problems in a once in 100 year cold spell. To equate the too is absurd.
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    California has trouble functioning in predictable seasonable weather while Texas has problems in a once in 100 year cold spell. To equate the too is absurd.
    I'm guessing you didn't bother to read the rest of the thread. I'm not going to bother showing you why you are wrong (again).
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    Originally Posted by sawoobley View Post
    California has trouble functioning in predictable seasonable weather while Texas has problems in a once in 100 year cold spell. To equate the too is absurd.
    California (San Diego specifically) paid for the rain we got to get us out of the drought. The San Diego Union-Tribune wrote quite a lengthy piece on this.
    Just lol if people think this weather is not manipulated, Biden says to pepper your angus for a “Dark Winter” & people here are shocked when chit like this happens. Climate change can’t be a threat unless you make it one.
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    I'm guessing you didn't bother to read the rest of the thread. I'm not going to bother showing you why you are wrong (again).
    Lol, I live in California. This place is indefensible. No need to contort yourself to rationalize their foolishness.
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