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    Wonder what it would look like if you swapped the receivers?
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post





    Wonder what it would look like if you swapped the receivers?
    Probably get a pretty good idea by checking out 2017 Alex Smith
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post


    Wonder what it would look like if you swapped the receivers?
    Hmm. Very curious why they left out 2018. Lamar didn’t start all 16 games but it also lets you take 50 tds off the board for Mahomes.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
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    Wonder what it would look like if you swapped the receivers?
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    hollywood would ball out
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Hmm. Very curious why they left out 2018. Lamar didn’t start all 16 games but it also lets you take 50 tds off the board for Mahomes.
    Probably because comparing a rookie that started 7 games to a year 2 starter who played all 16 makes no sense
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Probably because comparing a rookie that started 7 games to a year 2 starter who played all 16 makes no sense
    You are one of those people who doesn’t actually watch and just relies on stats aren’t you? Anyone who actually thinks they are close is retarded.
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    Lamar passer's rating is high because he has low volume and defenses key in on his running ability, cause he's a glorified RB...

    Can't wait until his legs fail him after his prime and he's forced to pass. He will be dogch*t
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    Originally Posted by swolefnatic View Post
    Lamar passer's rating is high because he has low volume and defenses key in on his running ability, cause he's a glorified RB...

    Can't wait until his legs fail him after his prime and he's forced to pass. He will be dogch*t
    Yep. Very curious why they didn’t include attempts or yards in that image either. Very obvious cherry picking.
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Yep. Very curious why they didn’t include attempts or yards in that image either. Very obvious cherry picking.
    He doesnt call the plays
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    Originally Posted by swolefnatic View Post
    Lamar passer's rating is high because defenses key in on his running ability,
    Sure but that doesnt matter

    His set of skills leads to a highly effective offense, the fact he doesn't do it in a conventional pocket passer fashion doesn't impact his productivity
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    He doesnt call the plays
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    Originally Posted by Miked1978 View Post
    LOL at talking career stats with a guy who played 2.5 years.
    Lamar is the only player people use this excuse for

    After Mahomes won MVP people thought 1 season was enough to call him best in the league
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Lamar is the only player people use this excuse for

    After Mahomes won MVP people thought 1 season was enough to call him best in the league
    You're never gonna win talking to the idiots on this forum. They have very little knowledge about football and will continue to parrot talking points they hear online or in order to rile you up.

    Lamar can go 6 years playing at the level he is right now and they will STILL say the same thing they do now because they can't admit they were wrong
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Lamar is the only player people use this excuse for

    After Mahomes won MVP people thought 1 season was enough to call him best in the league
    One of them went to back to back Super Bowls and the other is 1-3 in the playoffs who pretty noticeably declined this year.

    Next year the Chiefs are still going to be Super Bowl contenders and Lamar will struggle to make the playoffs.

    Why you even have to ask why people view Mahomes different Than Lamar says you have some major Lamar goggles on.
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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post
    One of them went to back to back Super Bowls and the other is 1-3 in the playoffs who pretty noticeably declined this year.

    Next year the Chiefs are still going to be Super Bowl contenders and Lamar will struggle to make the playoffs.

    Why you even have to ask why people view Mahomes different Than Lamar says you have some major Lamar goggles on.
    I'm open to rational reasoning that suggests the title is not true, I was just highlighting the inconsistency in the argument that 2.5 years is not enough sample size. Two and a half seasons is a long time in the NFL

    If you want to point to a lack of post season success, thats a legitimate criticism. Thats the only negative right now, I would argue his overall body of work is enough to justify at worst top 7 status though
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    You're never gonna win talking to the idiots on this forum. They have very little knowledge about football and will continue to parrot talking points they hear online or in order to rile you up.

    Lamar can go 6 years playing at the level he is right now and they will STILL say the same thing they do now because they can't admit they were wrong
    For sure

    If these dudes were watching basketball in the 80s they'd say shoot first point guards would never make it, they can't get their head around a quarterback being anything but a 6'5 unathletic white guy
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    they can't get their head around a quarterback being anything but a 6'5 unathletic white guy
    Everyone pretty unanimously has Patrick Mahomes as the best Qb and future great.

    Russel Wilson.. deshawn Watson...

    Everyone agrees these are the QBs that have it.


    But because we don’t like Lamar Jackson or his body of work it must be a race issue? Lmao.

    Race has zero to do with it and you are an idiot for thinking otherwise.

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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post
    Everyone pretty unanimously has Patrick Mahomes as the best Qb and future great.

    Russel Wilson.. deshawn Watson...

    Everyone agrees these are the QBs that have it.


    But because we don’t like Lamar Jackson or his body of work it must be a race issue? Lmao.

    Race has zero to do with it and you are an idiot for thinking otherwise.

    Don’t fall into Jaydogs nonsense, he’s a race baiting joke on this forum and it’s best not to be his parrot.
    Not saying its anything to do with race, just a lack of acceptance that a run first QB can be elite in the NFL
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Not saying its anything to do with race, just a lack of acceptance that a run first QB can be elite in the NFL
    Lamar threw 376 passes and rushed 159 times last season. There's no such thing as a 'run first' quarterback.
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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    Lamar threw 376 passes and rushed 159 times last season. There's no such thing as a 'run first' quarterback.
    He's a RB that can throw.

    Teams worry about him running much more than they have to worry about him throwing, so calling him a run first QB is fair to say.
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    If he played well in the playoffs then I would agree but his playoff games are horrid

    In 4 play off games total games he is...
    55.9% Completion
    900 yards
    3 TDS / 5 INT

    Mahomes in his first 4 playoff games...
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    1571 yards
    11 TDS / 5 INT

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    Originally Posted by Vikes723 View Post
    If he played well in the playoffs then I would agree but his playoff games are horrid

    In 4 play off games total games he is...
    55.9% Completion
    900 yards
    3 TDS / 5 INT

    Mahomes in his first 4 playoff games...
    62% Completion
    1571 yards
    11 TDS / 5 INT

    Just my 2 two cents
    Why does everyone ignore rushing yards? It is extremely relevant when evaluating Lamar and rush yards are > pass yards. That being said, his numbers are still pretty bad.

    Game 1: 365 yards passing 1 TD 2 INT and 165 yards rushing.
    Game 2: 179 yards passing 0 TD 1 INT 136 rushing 1 TD
    Game 3: 162 yards passing 0 TD 1 INT 35 rush yards no TD
    Game 4: 194 yards passing 2 TD 1 INT 54 0 TD
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    Originally Posted by dyee4613 View Post
    Why does everyone ignore rushing yards? It is extremely relevant when evaluating Lamar and rush yards are > pass yards. That being said, his numbers are still pretty bad.

    Game 1: 365 yards passing 1 TD 2 INT and 165 yards rushing.
    Game 2: 179 yards passing 0 TD 1 INT 136 rushing 1 TD
    Game 3: 162 yards passing 0 TD 1 INT 35 rush yards no TD
    Game 4: 194 yards passing 2 TD 1 INT 54 0 TD
    So you mean his playoff passing + rushing yards don't even equal Mahomes passing yards?

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    Originally Posted by dyee4613 View Post
    Why does everyone ignore rushing yards? It is extremely relevant when evaluating Lamar and rush yards are > pass yards. That being said, his numbers are still pretty bad.

    Game 1: 365 yards passing 1 TD 2 INT and 165 yards rushing.
    Game 2: 179 yards passing 0 TD 1 INT 136 rushing 1 TD
    Game 3: 162 yards passing 0 TD 1 INT 35 rush yards no TD
    Game 4: 194 yards passing 2 TD 1 INT 54 0 TD
    not helping his case if in Game 2 hes nearly 1 for 1 on rushing to passing... Some would argue Mahomes ended the season pretty average for his case and I mean they might be right but in the end he got em to the big game but the Bucs had other plans. Ravens couldn't get out their own way against the Bills.
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    So you mean his playoff passing + rushing yards don't even equal Mahomes passing yards?

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    Originally Posted by Vikes723 View Post
    not helping his case if in Game 2 hes nearly 1 for 1 on rushing to passing... Some would argue Mahomes ended the season pretty average for his case and I mean they might be right but in the end he got em to the big game but the Bucs had other plans. Ravens couldn't get out their own way against the Bills.
    It absolutely helps his case...in what world would you prefer 179 yards passing 1 int to 179 yards passing 1 int with 136 yards rushing and 1 TD? I'm not saying he is at the Mahomes tier or anywhere close to it nor am I even saying the numbers look good. I'm just saying you are being dishonest just posting his passing numbers. It's like comparing Kamara to Henry without including receiving...it makes no sense.
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    Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    He's a RB that can throw.

    Teams worry about him running much more than they have to worry about him throwing, so calling him a run first QB is fair to say.
    It’s literally not true.
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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    Lamar threw 376 passes and rushed 159 times last season. There's no such thing as a 'run first' quarterback.
    Because running more than passing would obviously never work, because defences adjust, but if they didnt Lamar would run more than he throws

    The Ravens started most drives with several consecutive runs, or until you can stop them. Obviously most end up selling out to the run, and thats where the passing game opens up what allows him to put up Mahomes tier efficiency in passing without having anything like his skill set
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