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    Originally Posted by ChaoticReignPbt View Post
    Not good. Our build plan never runs very high on those unfortunately. They're harder to manufacture than an off the shelf AR due to their proprietary nature. Any time we run short on machining resources we can't dual source a lot of the components because other major manufacturers for things like lowers and uppers don't want to do changeovers to run something different from the standard stuff. MCX shares a lot of the same machining resources as some of the active programs on the defense side of the house (MCX Spear). Additionally a portion of MCX build is ALWAYS allocated to le/defense sales. It's a very popular platform. And the extra recognition in the last year from things like its Call of Duty appearance is not exactly making them easier to find.

    I've had an order in for a 3rd MCX for a couple months now. Doubt I'll see it for awhile.

    I did just pick up a 320X5 Max for the upcoming season. Awww yeah.
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    What do people do for home defense hearing protection?


    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    Statistically, it's unlikely that having a firearm is going to save my life or the life of any of my loved ones. Doesn't mean I'm not more comfortable having one at times, but I'm not going to worry about rounds available. I'm fine with my 642, although when I bother to carry, I usually carry a Shield because it sits better at 4 o'clock IWB. I've never felt worried because I decided not to carry on a given day or because I only had 5 rounds in the 642.
    You find a Shield easier to carry than a J frame? Man, to me the only thing easier to carry than a snub nose is maybe an LCP
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    Originally Posted by IlChosenOne View Post
    What do people do for home defense hearing protection?




    You find a Shield easier to carry than a J frame? Man, to me the only thing easier to carry than a snub nose is maybe an LCP
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    Originally Posted by IlChosenOne View Post
    What do people do for home defense hearing protection?
    *Nothing
    *Suppressor
    *Nothing
    *Electronic earmuffs for the guys posting a pile of kit on social media

    Mostly people do nothing.



    Also, shield easier to carry than j-frame, because it's thin
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    Originally Posted by criminal_manne View Post
    Next question: why is the Romeo Zero such a piece of chit and did you think consumers wouldn’t notice ?
    Good question. Ask our optics division.

    For a price point entry level optic it's "adequate." I wouldn't personally run one. I'm on the firearms side of the house at NH HQ. Optics is out in Oregon.
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    Originally Posted by criminal_manne View Post
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    A 5.56 through a suppressor indoors is hardly hearing protection. Better than nothing though.

    A suppressed pistol would be better *for your ears.


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    Originally Posted by IlChosenOne View Post
    What do people do for home defense hearing protection?

    CP
    nothing.

    auditory exclusion is a real, and a wonderful thing

    plus, also want to hear other things around the home.

    could use electronic ears that reduce decibels of loud noises, but not trying to remember 5 things to do before my few seconds are up

    also suppressor if ya like
    the above post is not serious and is for entertainment purposes only.
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    Originally Posted by ChaoticReignPbt View Post
    Good question. Ask our optics division.

    For a price point entry level optic it's "adequate." I wouldn't personally run one. I'm on the firearms side of the house at NH HQ. Optics is out in Oregon.
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    Originally Posted by Brozef View Post
    A 5.56 through a suppressor indoors is hardly hearing protection. Better than nothing though.

    A suppressed pistol would be better.
    True. Tinnitus is better than being dead tho.
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    Originally Posted by Brozef View Post
    A 5.56 through a suppressor indoors is hardly hearing protection. Better than nothing though.

    A suppressed pistol would be better.
    Well, for sound, a suppressed pistol especially one with subs would of course be quieter. Better? No.

    5.56 is loud, period. But. Every 10 db reduction halves the perceived loudness so even 'just' a mere 20 db reduction means 1/4 the perceived sound level.

    And IMO more so than how 'loud' it's perceived, is the concussive effect. Suppressor can really knock down the "hit in the head with a rubber mallet" feeling
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    Originally Posted by JChippy View Post
    nothing.

    auditory exclusion is a real, and a wonderful thing

    plus, also want to hear other things around the home.

    could use electronic ears that reduce decibels of loud noises, but not trying to remember 5 things to do before my few seconds are up

    also suppressor if ya like
    Yeah.

    But if you really want to hear other things around you, a suppressor is the winner. Your brain can exclude you hearing the loud noise, but it's still doing physical damage to your ear and it's still compromising your ability to hear anything after that first round
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    So my dad called and said he might get another scar 17s lol he already has one he never shoots, but likes building different load outs. What optic would y’all put on the scar? He’s thinking ACOG which is what I have on my HK. Mines the 3.5x. Idk if the 6x would be to big for it. Or if a LPVO would be better.

    Hoping he tells me to go pick it up that way I can have this one in my name lol

    Edit- he told me to go pick it up Monday and put it in my name! Fk yeah.
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    So my dad called and said he might get another scar 17s lol he already has one he never shoots, but likes building different load outs. What optic would y’all put on the scar? He’s thinking ACOG which is what I have on my HK. Mines the 3.5x. Idk if the 6x would be to big for it. Or if a LPVO would be better.

    Hoping he tells me to go pick it up that way I can have this one in my name lol

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    I would buy your dad a beer IRL
    Yeah man I’m gonna have to lol

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Yeah.

    But if you really want to hear other things around you, a suppressor is the winner. Your brain can exclude you hearing the loud noise, but it's still doing physical damage to your ear and it's still compromising your ability to hear anything after that first round
    solution, put a giant can on your barrel and you'll be good to go.

    figuratively speaking
    the above post is not serious and is for entertainment purposes only.
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    Yeah man I’m gonna have to lol

    He views all of our guns as “ours” so he doesn’t care who signs the paperwork. I wish I would have bought a bigger safe at this point though.
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    Be careful. The ATF doesn't care whose you say it is, they only and solely care about how possesses it

    If he's going to be possessing it at his place, and you do the 4473, you have to pay for it as a legitimate gift. You can't buy it with his money or he pays you back and then it lives in his safe.

    It's a stupid ****ing law that as usual passed on false pretenses (supposed to stop straw purchases of qualified buyers for a prohibited person) but it's been twisted into the first step towards registration which the courts have upheld
    Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. It’ll live in my safe. I doubt he needs two scar17 safe queens in his. Haha

    So you’re saying I couldn’t legally keep guns at my parents house if I don’t live there?
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    Originally Posted by Unstumpable View Post
    Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. It’ll live in my safe. I doubt he needs two scar17 safe queens in his. Haha

    So you’re saying I couldn’t legally keep guns at my parents house if I don’t live there?
    That's a different question.

    If you and your parents both live in the same state, and private transfers are legal in that state, you can keep your guns at your parents house. In the eyes of the law/the ATF, it will be the same as if you gifted your guns to them (gift back and forth, whatever, or just a private transfer which is legal in most states)

    But if they paid for the gun and you filled out the 4473, and you took it back to their house, that could be a problem, due to "straw purchase" law. It's the "actual buyer" question on the form, basically (21A).

    If they pay for it, you fill out the 4473, and you take it to stay at your house, you're fine. They don't care who pays for it if the person on the form is the person who takes possession.

    The semi gray area is, they can buy it for you as a gift (they pay, you 4473, you take it home...or they pay and they fill out 4473 and then gift it to you), and later on you can decide to private transfer it to them or anybody else (provided there is no state law against that), so it can even still end up in their possession after you did the 4473.


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    Well, for sound, a suppressed pistol especially one with subs would of course be quieter. Better? No.
    Better for your ears, I meant.



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    Originally Posted by IlChosenOne View Post
    What do people do for home defense hearing protection?

    You find a Shield easier to carry than a J frame? Man, to me the only thing easier to carry than a snub nose is maybe an LCP
    Never gave it much thought before, but the best option is probably a .22 and the ability to shoot like Jerry Miculek. Barring that, a pump or lever action with with a suppressor seems like an interesting option. Since I've read revolvers are loud even suppressed, a pump or lever gun would be the only suppressed option that I'd be confident is completely reliable. Course, I've got 5 dogs and bear spray too. The pups can be annoyingly loud, but they're pretty hearing safe 🙂

    On the j frame vs shield, I meant easier to carry concealed. The j frame in an owb cross draw is the absolute most comfortable option for me. Works for standing and sitting/driving, but, I'm a little guy, 5'8", 165, and owb cross draw requires a jacket to conceal. Shield is better iwb. Personal preference.
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    Originally Posted by IlChosenOne View Post
    What do people do for home defense hearing protection?

    i've heard cqb guys talk about how in high stress situations like this your body goes into a temporary state where gun fire doesn't affect hearing as much as you'd think. Having never been in a situation like that I can't confirm, but .300 blackout with subs and a silencer is the best you can do for HD if you're concerned about hearing. Ton of specialty ammo similar to this https://www.lehighdefense.com/all/30...led-chaos-ammo
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    Never gave it much thought before, but the best option is probably a .22 and the ability to shoot like Jerry Miculek. Barring that, a pump or lever action with with a suppressor seems like an interesting option. Since I've read revolvers are loud even suppressed, a pump or lever gun would be the only suppressed option that I'd be confident is completely reliable. Course, I've got 5 dogs and bear spray too. The pups can be annoyingly loud, but they're pretty hearing safe

    On the j frame vs shield, I meant easier to carry concealed. The j frame in an owb cross draw is the absolute most comfortable option for me. Works for standing and sitting/driving, but, I'm a little guy, 5'8", 165, and owb cross draw requires a jacket to conceal. Shield is better iwb. Personal preference.
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