Misc Firearms Crew LXXIX: Tax Stamps, Background Checks, and Mag Caps

[PapaBurgandy]

The government should not be making a law telling you how to store any of your property in your own home regardless of who's there. Sure, it seems that if it's just your family at home your nightstand gun wouldn't be an issue, but if your kid has a friend sleep over, now you're committing a crime?

The entire thing is just one more inch that normalizes the government telling you what you can and can't do in your own house, or with your own property.

Liability is a fickle bitch. If you’re comfortable leaving your guns unsecured with someone else’s little bastard roaming around your home...good luck with that.

I do agree that the .gov overreaching and are completely clueless about how the guns work. I just don’t wanna get sued because someone didn’t teach their little ****ers any boundaries. People suck these days, if you haven’t noticed.

[JMath]

Liability is a fickle bitch. If you’re comfortable leaving your guns unsecured with someone else’s little bastard roaming around your home...good luck with that.

I do agree that the .gov overreaching and are completely clueless about how the guns work. I just don’t wanna get sued because someone didn’t teach their little ****ers any boundaries. People suck these days, if you haven’t noticed.

Oh I agree. Even if it wasn't someone else's kids at my house... if I just had my own kids, I would 100% keep my guns secured unless they were on me. But I just envision the random dude who at night pill throw his gun in the end table next to him before bed.

I guess in the end, the only time someone is going to be charged for it is if some kid does get ahold of it and do something stupid though. It's not like the above scenario where the next day the kid wakes up and goes home and absolutely nothing happened is going to draw the attention of police.

[PapaBurgandy]

Oh I agree. Even if it wasn't someone else's kids at my house... if I just had my own kids, I would 100% keep my guns secured unless they were on me. But I just envision the random dude who at night pill throw his gun in the end table next to him before bed.

I guess in the end, the only time someone is going to be charged for it is if some kid does get ahold of it and do something stupid though. It's not like the above scenario where the next day the kid wakes up and goes home and absolutely nothing happened is going to draw the attention of police.

I 'had' a buddy who trusted his own kids with his safe combo...One weekend, he and his wife were out of town and left the kids (16/15/12) home alone. Boyo decided to have buddies over and then proceeded to show off dads' gun collection. Dumbass kid's friend walked out of the house with one of his g19's. They got it back within a day of returning and his kid got to spend some time in military school.

LSS: kids are stupid.

[PapaBurgandy]

Safety Squat Bar will finally arrive tomorrow or Friday....**** yes.

[criminal_manne]

I 'had' a buddy who trusted his own kids with his safe combo...One weekend, he and his wife were out of town and left the kids (16/15/12) home alone. Boyo decided to have buddies over and then proceeded to show off dads' gun collection. Dumbass kid's friend walked out of the house with one of his g19's. They got it back within a day of returning and his kid got to spend some time in military school.

LSS: kids are stupid.

Yea what a dummy. I got mine locked up and put the key into another smaller safe. The smaller safe key is on my keychain and goes with me wherever I go.

As long as the kids don’t use a pry bar and break in I feel good.

Personal defense / HD gun is on ma belt.

[.:Chris:.]

I'm tired of milspec LPKs with each build (not trigger), what are some Gucci LPKs to try ?

[NuggzTheNinja]

...I am aware that is how it works. I thought it was obvious by my post.

The question is, what does a pinned 13.7 that is 16 with muzzle device give you over a pinned 14.5 that is 16 with muzzle device? Other than losing 0.8" of ballistics?

Losing .8" of OAL using that muzzle device vs. a 14.5 with the same device. That's literally it.

[criminal_manne]

I'm tired of milspec LPKs with each build (not trigger), what are some Gucci LPKs to try ?

What’s Gucci about a LPK besides the trigger and maybe an ambi safety selector ?

I just buy the CMMG lpk (one without a trigger) buy trigger of choice, Radian talon.... profit ?

[BulkingIsHard]

Help me understand the purpose of a 13.7" barrel, when you can get a 14.5" and even it needs a longer-than-standard-A2 muzzle device to be 16+ when perm attached. With a 13.7" wouldn't you just be giving up the ballistics of another 0.8" without gaining anything in overall length? Unless this is going to be a pistol SBR?

13.7 pinned is the absolute shortest you can go without SBR so it basically looks more cool and saves a tiny bit of weight. I've completed my beater rifle for training and CQB/home defense and I'd like to make the gucciest apocalypse rifle possible. My reasoning is that I would like to pin a warcomp and when I eventually move out of commie land I'll get a Surefire Mini 2 which will add barely 2 or 3 inches to the overall length.

Apparently you might have to use spacers so ima join 13.7 is in fact a retarded length just get 14.5 unless SBR.

I’ve handed Farley SO MANY L’s the past couple months we are gonna let him have this one. He needs a dub.

Yes I've heard people say they've pinned a warcomp fine and others who claim that it won't meet 16. I assumed that the spacer included and the shims might add the required 0.1 or 0.2 inches left, and worst case an extra spacer from my gunsmith isn't going to cause any catastrophic failures.

Perhaps someone here has more experience?

[rectifryer]

I 'had' a buddy who trusted his own kids with his safe combo...One weekend, he and his wife were out of town and left the kids (16/15/12) home alone. Boyo decided to have buddies over and then proceeded to show off dads' gun collection. Dumbass kid's friend walked out of the house with one of his g19's. They got it back within a day of returning and his kid got to spend some time in military school.

LSS: kids are stupid.

jfc that was armed theft lmao

[Farley1324]

Ahhh fudge. You all switched topics before I read and got caught up. lol.



The government should not be making a law telling you how to store any of your property in your own home regardless of who's there. Sure, it seems that if it's just your family at home your nightstand gun wouldn't be an issue, but if your kid has a friend sleep over, now you're committing a crime?

The entire thing is just one more inch that normalizes the government telling you what you can and can't do in your own house, or with your own property.



Nice! Anyone have/shot one? Are they falling apart like the P365 did when it first came out, or are these actually good to go?

Yes if your kid has a juvenile friend sleep over and you let that friend have access to your loaded nightstand gun out of your supervision and without kids parents consent you are the problem and you deserve this law and maybe you don't deserve to keep your rkba

[.:Chris:.]

What’s Gucci about a LPK besides the trigger and maybe an ambi safety selector ?

I just buy the CMMG lpk (one without a trigger) buy trigger of choice, Radian talon.... profit ?

Ya ambi stuff. Radian takes so long to restock I'll check out websites.

[Farley1324]

Oh I agree. Even if it wasn't someone else's kids at my house... if I just had my own kids, I would 100% keep my guns secured unless they were on me. But I just envision the random dude who at night pill throw his gun in the end table next to him before bed.

I guess in the end, the only time someone is going to be charged for it is if some kid does get ahold of it and do something stupid though. It's not like the above scenario where the next day the kid wakes up and goes home and absolutely nothing happened is going to draw the attention of police.

Wait, so you would already choose to do even more than the law requires?

[Farley1324]

Ya ambi stuff. Radian takes so long to restock I'll check out websites.

Geissele ultra duty lpk is super nice, in more ways than you might think till trying it or one of their lowers, but I wouldn't pay full retail for it.

Sipnics ambi lpk is nice.

Radian would be good too

[SpeedCheeser]

Does Surefire not make a ~1.5" muzzle device for mounting suppressors?

[criminal_manne]

Does Surefire not make a ~1.5" muzzle device for mounting suppressors?

Keep in mind it’s threaded on and threads are like half an inch. So you would need a 2 inch (or so) muzzle device to extend a 14.5 to 16. A2 actually doesn’t work for 14.5, and they make 14.7” barrels for that reason. BCM sells an A2X that’s extended for 14.5 barrels.

[GooBaaa]

I'm tired of milspec LPKs with each build (not trigger), what are some Gucci LPKs to try ?

I've used so many different LPKs and most of them were literally the same minus the package

I just built my own lower kit and picked out what parts I wanted for my everyday rifle

[SpeedCheeser]

Keep in mind it’s threaded on and threads are like half an inch. So you would need a 2 inch (or so) muzzle device to extend a 14.5 to 16. A2 actually doesn’t work for 14.5, and they make 14.7” barrels for that reason. BCM sells an A2X that’s extended for 14.5 barrels.

Fair point. I never considered the threads making up part of the length.

Question still stands though...does Surefire not make both a ~2" and a ~2.8" device?

[BulkingIsHard]

Fair point. I never considered the threads making up part of the length.

Question still stands though...does Surefire not make both a ~2" and a ~2.8" device?

The warcomp is about 2.7 as well as the other 3 prong ones I believe

[JChippy]

Easy OT last night, Alpha IP... 2200 until 2230 I fck around with my partners, fence check and alarm testing from 2230-2245, nothing until 0330, go with the trash truck and open gates and dumpster locks until 0500, then fck around more with my partners until 0600. Sometimes it feels like I'm stealing from the state.

been there a few times. they need you there to be there, but there is nothing going on, so it's a free OT.

nice.

[Meatie]

been there a few times. they need you there to be there, but there is nothing going on, so it's a free OT.

nice.

wish I could have gotten a job in corrections after collage. **** working in an office all day, should be getting paid to be in the prison yard knocking out those prisonors with a mike tyson punch

[NuggzTheNinja]

wish I could have gotten a job in corrections after collage. **** working in an office all day, should be getting paid to be in the prison yard knocking out those prisonors with a mike tyson punch

Border Patrol would be a blast but you'd probably be stuck driving a Chevy instead of your 2500 bro dozer

[GooBaaa]

Border Patrol would be a blast but you'd probably be stuck driving a Chevy instead of your 2500 bro dozer

Border patrol up in NY have brand new 2500s to haul their big ass boat not to mention brand new jet skis, quads, side by sides

Get paid to sit in a vehicle all day and hang out on the water in the summer

[Ikeman83]

...I am aware that is how it works. I thought it was obvious by my post.

The question is, what does a pinned 13.7 that is 16 with muzzle device give you over a pinned 14.5 that is 16 with muzzle device? Other than losing 0.8" of ballistics?

Guys are using suppressor mounts (KEYMO NOX) that bring OAL to 16" with a 13.7" barrel.

[gbullock32]

Ya ambi stuff. Radian takes so long to restock I'll check out websites.

Got mine here, decent price, only the long/short combo but that was the one I wanted anyways. Black and Tungsten in stock.

https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Pro...TALON%2D2LEVER

[Farley1324]

Guys are using suppressor mounts (KEYMO NOX) that bring OAL to 16" with a 13.7" barrel.

What is gain VS a shorter muzzle device on a 14.5 that still becomes non nfa length?

It just seems like, if it's going to be 16" physically for law purposes either way, why not go with 0.8" more usable rifled barrel? Even if ballistic gain from that 0.8 is small, it's a gain of some sort. VS what is gain with the 13.7?

[BulkingIsHard]

What is gain VS a shorter muzzle device on a 14.5 that still becomes non nfa length?

It just seems like, if it's going to be 16" physically for law purposes either way, why not go with 0.8" more usable rifled barrel? Even if ballistic gain from that 0.8 is small, it's a gain of some sort. VS what is gain with the 13.7?

I don't know if you missed my post, but a suppressor attached to a 16 inch barrel is obviously going to be way longer and unwieldy compared to a 13.7 with a suppressor adapter. Bonus points if you have a Surefire Mini.

A 16" already feels like a musket so I can't imagine what 16" is like WITH a 5"+ suppressor. Unsuppressed is obviously only like half an inch difference with multiple inches of lost barrel length and no one really cares except for looks.

[gbullock32]

I don't know if you missed my post, but a suppressor attached to a 16 inch barrel is obviously going to be way longer and unwieldy compared to a 13.7 with a suppressor adapter. Bonus points if you have a Surefire Mini.

A 16" already feels like a musket so I can't imagine what 16" is like WITH a 5"+ suppressor. Unsuppressed is obviously only like half an inch difference with multiple inches of lost barrel length and no one really cares except for looks.

I don't mind my 16" Arak, but to run a suppressor on it, yeah, that would be a no. Normally I am all about length (and girth) but there is a limit. No homo.

[criminal_manne]

I don't mind my 16" Arak, but to run a suppressor on it, yeah, that would be a no. Normally I am all about length (and girth) but there is a limit. No homo.

It’s really not that bad, people carried 21” barrels for years in ‘Nam and elsehwhere.

[Farley1324]

I don't know if you missed my post, but a suppressor attached to a 16 inch barrel is obviously going to be way longer and unwieldy compared to a 13.7 with a suppressor adapter. Bonus points if you have a Surefire Mini.

A 16" already feels like a musket so I can't imagine what 16" is like WITH a 5"+ suppressor. Unsuppressed is obviously only like half an inch difference with multiple inches of lost barrel length and no one really cares except for looks.

I know you aren't reading my posts.


Yuou keep describing a 14.5 but accidentally typing 13.7 instead

Please continue to completely ignore that a 14.5 pinned does exactly what you are describing while offering better ballistics and more muzzle device options than 13.7