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    Now that I’m back at it, I realize I’ve been lied to...

    For two+ years I wasted my time in the gym thinking low reps high weight was the way to mass.

    Now that my gym is open I’ve been able to apply a technique taught to me by the most ripped person I know.

    You must get a “pump” to force blood into the muscles, making them grow. Instead of doing more than one muscle group a day, only do one with set almost till burnout, and a little cardio after. This is the only way I’m sore the next day.

    When I was wasting time doing 5 day splits (back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders), I would do 3 exercises each muscle group, 3 sets of 20,16,12 reps. I was never sore, never grew, my body looked like **** and I had minimal definition and NO muscle growth.

    After taking 9mo off, I learned to EAT and put on 30lbs which was the growth I wanted. I realized you can’t spot-burn fat, but you can spot-grow muscle. The whole “no muscle growth” after training hard as **** really pissed me off. Now I have a bit more size, hoping to grow it more
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    The one part I totally agree with is that eating is helpful for gaining weight.

    You definitely do not have to train that way in order to grow,
    Soreness is not necessarily an indicator of growth,
    If that really is you in your avi, you have quite a lot of muscle mass. Whatever you did to get there was working at some point.

    Taking people's word for things just because they're diced up is tempting, but often pretty risky for a number of reasons. If you're spinning your wheels, there are good programs in the Stickies
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    Training volume and food is how you get gains.

    See way too many noobs ego lifting doing 3-4 sets of 3-4 reps spinning their wheels wondering why they can’t get bigger or stronger

    And eating is a huge one. Often due to laziness, overestimating how much they’re eating, or they read the funnyweasel dreamer bulk thread and are scared of going full bloatlord
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    Originally Posted by BeastmodeLEE View Post
    For two+ years I wasted my time in the gym thinking low reps high weight was the way to mass.

    Now that my gym is open I’ve been able to apply a technique taught to me by the most ripped person I know.

    You must get a “pump” to force blood into the muscles, making them grow. Instead of doing more than one muscle group a day, only do one with set almost till burnout, and a little cardio after. This is the only way I’m sore the next day.

    When I was wasting time doing 5 day splits (back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders), I would do 3 exercises each muscle group, 3 sets of 20,16,12 reps. I was never sore, never grew, my body looked like **** and I had minimal definition and NO muscle growth.

    After taking 9mo off, I learned to EAT and put on 30lbs which was the growth I wanted. I realized you can’t spot-burn fat, but you can spot-grow muscle. The whole “no muscle growth” after training hard as **** really pissed me off. Now I have a bit more size, hoping to grow it more


    So, before you did 20, 16 and 12 reps, but then you've came to the conclusion that high reps is better?
    20, 16 and 12 is low reps for you?
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    When you start getting into ways to specifically beat your muscles down, then it's going to be one step further away from hard and general guidelines like rep ranges and calorie balances. You're still following basic guidelines for mass but you're picking a circuit that more specifically suits you influenced partly by your past training and also natural physical attributes.
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    Originally Posted by BeastmodeLEE View Post
    I wasted my time in the gym thinking low reps high weight was the way to mass.
    When I was wasting time... I would do sets of 20,16,12 reps
    Not trying to hate but... If that^ was low reps heavy weight, what does your new 'one set almost til burnout' look like numbers wise?
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    Originally Posted by Ironface View Post
    Training volume and food is how you get gains.

    See way too many noobs ego lifting doing 3-4 sets of 3-4 reps spinning their wheels wondering why they can’t get bigger or stronger

    And eating is a huge one. Often due to laziness, overestimating how much they’re eating, or they read the funnyweasel dreamer bulk thread and are scared of going full bloatlord
    My eating game is retarded good right now. I can eat a double double animal style, two animal style fries, and a shake from In N Out. Over the past 9mo I’ve mainly eaten turkey pasta, lots of sauce lots of cheese. I put on weight QUICK doing that. Now that I’m back in the gym I’ve decided to eat a little healthier but maintain the same amounts of food.

    What does spinning your wheels mean?

    Originally Posted by HenchManlet View Post
    Not trying to hate but... If that^ was low reps heavy weight, what does your new 'one set almost til burnout' look like numbers wise?
    My new numbers are 30 reps. Sometimes more, sometimes less. It’s not necessarily one set, but it’s about 4-5 sets of burnout, low weight. Getting a PUMP

    I train to feel SORE the next day. I spent two years never sore when I would train, and my weight stayed the same. Growth is done via forcing blood (which has nutrients for muscles) into the muscles
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    Originally Posted by BeastmodeLEE View Post
    Growth is done via forcing blood (which has nutrients for muscles) into the muscles
    anyone else questioning this???

    sounds very broscience-y
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    Originally Posted by BeastmodeLEE View Post
    Now that my gym is open I’ve been able to apply a technique taught to me by the most ripped person I know.
    Always take advice from the "most ripped person" you know with a grain of salt, unless you're on the same supplement regimen. Some of what you're saying isn't accurate and certainly isn't exclusive to getting results.

    That being said, if whatever techniques you're doing now is working for you personally, then that's what matters.
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    Originally Posted by faithbrah View Post
    anyone else questioning this???

    sounds very broscience-y
    It definitely is very bioscience-y. Blood flow to muscles is important during exercise and does help with hypertrophy, but it's not a main driver by any means.

    There's a debate about sarcoplasmic hypertrophy vs. myofibrillar hypertrophy. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy basically being a fairly short-term (this is kinda the part being debated) increase in the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid, which makes muscles swell without actually increasing the number / size of the fibers. Basically "the pump", but with some decent evidence that it can be sustained for longer periods of time. Kinda contributes to the myth of the huge but weak bodybuilder, since sarcoplasmic hypertrophy doesn't actually increase muscular strength.

    Also some evidence that it's not nearly as pronounced in natty lifters, even in the very short term, so it really doesn't matter for most people.
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    There's this really ripped guy in my gym, all I ever see him doing is bicep curls. I should probably get on with my 16 sets of bicep curls. But he always wears sweat pants so probably has chicken legs.

    I never "chase the pump" and have no problem adding muscle mass. Made lots of progress as a beginner doing 3-5 sets of 4-6. Why torture myself with 150 reps when I could do 15-25?
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    No offense OP, but it's kind of funny how you go into length about how it wasn't until you finally came to your senses and saw an obvious tweak you needed to make on some peripheral aspect of your training approach that you managed to grow, but also...

    "Oh yeah, and then I started eating."

    Yeah? Obviously lol
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    Looking at it now...
    You're being lied to

    (or they are just willfully ignorant which I'm more than willing to believe is the case 😂)
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    Originally Posted by BeastmodeLEE View Post
    What does spinning your wheels mean?
    Wasting time, not making progress
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Looking at it now...
    You're being lied to

    (or they are just willfully ignorant which I'm more than willing to believe is the case 😂)
    Imagine this amount of bro science is still around in 2021? Yikes.
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    Science (e.g brad schoenfeld): You can obtain quality hipertrophy training in the 20-30 rep range also, if you offer the muscle an adequate stimulus
    Guy: I trained in the 30 rep range
    Others: that's broscience

    https://youtu.be/HpI3fiKO7GA

    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    No offense OP, but it's kind of funny how you go into length about how it wasn't until you finally came to your senses and saw an obvious tweak you needed to make on some peripheral aspect of your training approach that you managed to grow, but also...

    "Oh yeah, and then I started eating."

    Yeah? Obviously lol
    Eating is important, but you do realize that the guy also trained well (if he is the one in the profile photo).
    Even if you eat, if you don't offer the muscle a good stimulus, it will not grow.

    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Always take advice from the "most ripped person" you know with a grain of salt, unless you're on the same supplement regimen.
    Indeed, with a grain of salt.
    Still, ripped guys, even if they use vitamin S, know how to train and have a good MMC.
    It's funny that some naturals believe that, if they would use the same special supplements, they would look the same as those ripped big guys.
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    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    Indeed, with a grain of salt.
    Still, ripped guys, even if they use vitamin S, know how to train and have a good MMC.
    It's funny that some naturals believe that, if they would use the same special supplements, they would look the same as those ripped big guys.
    It's funny how you always read so many extra things in between the lines of what someone else writes. Take whatever vitamins you want.
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    But OP in this thread 2 weeks ago you were an alcoholic who got fat by drinking and bulking without training.
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=179677553
    Now you've learned to EAT, put on 30 lbs(of fat) and suddenly mastered gained in ~ 2 weeks?

    Fascinating how the mind works....
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    But OP in this thread 2 weeks ago you were an alcoholic who got fat by drinking and bulking without training.
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=179677553
    Now you've learned to EAT, put on 30 lbs(of fat) and suddenly mastered gained in ~ 2 weeks?

    Fascinating how the mind works....
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    anyone else questioning this???

    sounds very broscience-y
    Not completely. It's used in bodybuilding programs but it's not an end in itself. It is used to provoque metabolic stress and GH release.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5489423/
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    Originally Posted by Markype View Post
    Not completely. It's used in bodybuilding programs but it's not an end in itself. It is used to provoque metabolic stress and GH release.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5489423/
    Kinda like creatine.
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    But OP in this thread 2 weeks ago you were an alcoholic who got fat by drinking and bulking without training.
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=179677553
    Now you've learned to EAT, put on 30 lbs(of fat) and suddenly mastered gained in ~ 2 weeks?

    Fascinating how the mind works....
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