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    Body fat comparisons in gender?

    This came up in another thread and I didn’t want to derail the thread so I’m making this one.

    How much body fat one holds does depend on gender in regards to what is lean/very lean but also what is healthy

    My questions are:

    Is there any way to compare what would be an equivalent body fat for a male and a female taking in account a male will need to be a lower body fat than a female to be considered very lean or even lean.

    What are the health implications with each gender? Women for to high of body fat or to low and men to high or low body fat. Is one genders health affected more by their body fat percentage?

    I do know essential bf for a female is around 12% and males is 3% roughly. While what is considered as obese for a male is above 25% and women above 33% roughly
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    This came up in another thread and I didn’t want to derail the thread so I’m making this one.

    How much body fat one holds does depend on gender in regards to what is lean/very lean but also what is healthy

    My questions are:

    Is there any way to compare what would be an equivalent body fat for a male and a female taking in account a male will need to be a lower body fat than a female to be considered very lean or even lean.

    What are the health implications with each gender? Women for to high of body fat or to low and men to high or low body fat. Is one genders health affected more by their body fat percentage?

    I do know essential bf for a female is around 12% and males is 3% roughly. While what is considered as obese for a male is above 25% and women above 33% roughly
    I believe a good adjustment is usually 8-10%.

    So 10% in a man would be like 18-20% in a female..

    For health impacts, I actually think the longer term effects might be worse in men for being over-lean, because females simply have more on-hand fat cells relative to bodyweight.

    WOmen on average also hold more fat in their hips/glutes/legs which is generally less dangerous than belly fat which is where men tend to hold it. So being obese as a man, I think, is more dangerous on average.
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    About your fist question, I think this article makes some comparisons between men and women: https://bodylogiq.org/en/the-ideal-b...ntage-to-bulk/

    About health implications: I was listening to this podcast with Menno Henselmans. He mentioned some woman are lucky because they store more fat in boobs and but while their waist stays similar. This affects health far less than it would for men or women who store most fat in the abdominal area.

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    This site has good visualizations
    https://www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-...nd-percentages
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    Midsection fat in men is particularly bad as well, just so you know.

    Also, regardless of what gender you are, if you are sat down regularly for too long with insufficient exercise frequency and expenditure of calories amongst other things (e.g. genes, predispositions, nutrition, water/types of water/minerals etc etc) fat distribution will vary...
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    For health impacts, I actually think the longer term effects might be worse in men for being over-lean, because females simply have more on-hand fat cells relative to bodyweight.
    This. 8% BF on a man may be comparable to 13-14% in a women, but in terms of long-term sustainability, they can't be compared because the man's Testosterone and other hormones would tank at such a level. Men CAN GET as low as 5% without dying or be fine temporarily at lower than 10, but the sustainability =/= a woman at 13%.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    This. 8% BF on a man may be comparable to 13-14% in a women, but in terms of long-term sustainability, they can't be compared because the man's Testosterone and other hormones would tank at such a level. Men CAN GET as low as 5% without dying or be fine temporarily at lower than 10, but the sustainability =/= a woman at 13%.
    So if I identify as a female I will look ripped at higher bf%?
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    This. 8% BF on a man may be comparable to 13-14% in a women, but in terms of long-term sustainability, they can't be compared because the man's Testosterone and other hormones would tank at such a level. Men CAN GET as low as 5% without dying or be fine temporarily at lower than 10, but the sustainability =/= a woman at 13%.
    true, true. But men also don’t menstruate. I can’t imagine having estrogen tank being good either.

    As far as over weight goes and above it makes sense as to why more men have heart problems and high blood pressure. But a quick google search and I’m getting all different answers like some say women are at greater risk for Heart decease but it seems the factors are less about weight and more about hormones and different less noticeable early signs of heart decease and when having a heart attack less intense symptoms.

    One thing though with low body fat women are more prone to osteoporosis and if you have ever been around a women going through menopause with out medication bad things can happen. But maybe because women do go through menopause our bodies are able to adjust better to a lack of estrogen than men with a lack of testosterone?
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    Whenever I try and compare body fat % I generally work of Lyle McDonald's table.

    https://bodyrecomposition.com/fat-lo...at_Percentages

    As for as looking at pics vs percentage I usually find women are more difficult to judge as they naturally have higher body fat % making ballpoint figures from DEXA scans less reliable vs images. But I use this website for a ballpark:-

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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    true, true. But men also don’t menstruate. I can’t imagine having estrogen tank being good either.

    As far as over weight goes and above it makes sense as to why more men have heart problems and high blood pressure. But a quick google search and I’m getting all different answers like some say women are at greater risk for Heart decease but it seems the factors are less about weight and more about hormones and different less noticeable early signs of heart decease and when having a heart attack less intense symptoms.

    One thing though with low body fat women are more prone to osteoporosis and if you have ever been around a women going through menopause with out medication bad things can happen. But maybe because women do go through menopause our bodies are able to adjust better to a lack of estrogen than men with a lack of testosterone?
    Androgen levels might actually be somewhat comparable between men and women at that same age group, since testosterone begins steadily declining for men even when they're still relatively young.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Androgen levels might actually be somewhat comparable between men and women at that same age group, since testosterone begins steadily declining for men even when they're still relatively young.
    How do you figure that?

    Women have a test range of like 15-70...

    Men it's like 300-1100...

    Per Harvard: "by age 70, the average man's testosterone production is 30% below its peak. Still, testosterone levels remain within the normal range in at least 75% of older men, which is why many men can father children in their 80s and beyond."

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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    How do you figure that?

    Women have a test range of like 15-70...

    Men it's like 300-1100...

    Per Harvard: "by age 70, the average man's testosterone production is 30% below its peak. Still, testosterone levels remain within the normal range in at least 75% of older men, which is why many men can father children in their 80s and beyond."

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsl...g_and_the_mind
    This. The effects of very low testosterone for a man are far more damaging than low androgens for a woman. This is again why being below 10% for a man isn't necessarily comparable to a woman at 13 or so as far as sustainability goes, at least as a natty.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    How do you figure that?

    Women have a test range of like 15-70...

    Men it's like 300-1100...

    Per Harvard: "by age 70, the average man's testosterone production is 30% below its peak. Still, testosterone levels remain within the normal range in at least 75% of older men, which is why many men can father children in their 80s and beyond."

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsl...g_and_the_mind
    Oh, I wasn't comparing test levels across both sexes, but rather test in old men vs. estrogen in post-menopausal women. May be completely wrong on that though.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Oh, I wasn't comparing test levels across both sexes, but rather test in old men vs. estrogen in post-menopausal women. May be completely wrong on that though.
    But estrogen isn't an androgen.... it's the opposite.

    Androgens are hormones that produce male characteristics like larger muscle size, deeper voice...
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    But estrogen isn't an androgen.... it's the opposite.

    Androgens are hormones that produce male characteristics like larger muscle size, deeper voice...
    Whoops, you're right. Thought that was a label for both sex hormones.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Whoops, you're right. Thought that was a label for both sex hormones.
    And this is how you prove you're natty. LOL
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    And this is how you prove you're natty. LOL
    Good to know you had to ask yourself lol
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