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    Originally Posted by DDSF1 View Post
    police seeing injuries is not "proof" of criminal guilt. The "dynamic" is also not anything more, legally speaking, then the dynamic upon police arrival. If people were deemed guilty because of what police see/think or situational dynamic at the moment of police arrival, then we would have a lot of innocent people in prison and a horrible justice system. I know the way the American juridical structure is today seems to allow those things but they are really bad if we want a healthy and just legal system.
    Not saying he should automatically be found guilty in criminal court. That is a high standard and up to the court legal process.

    But there is proof of injuries and witnesses of the events. You’re claiming zero proof which is false. It may or may not be enough to convict but it’s not zero proof.

    And whether he will be found guilty in criminal court is separate from how his conduct should be judged in the context of his career. Even the arrest by itself under these circumstances should be enough to drop him.
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    Typical weak phaggot, wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the streets.
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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    There are different standards in a criminal case vs right to play in the NFL.

    As to his legal criminal case he has to be proven guilty in court.

    As to playing in the NFL a different standard applies. You don’t have a constitutional right to play. They can and should cut them for the arrest alone.

    And it’s not just her allegations only. The police came and witnessed her injuries and the situation dynamics with the guy there. So it’s not just only her word.
    I can already tell I’m speaking to someone who watches too much judge Judy and has no idea what they are talking about.

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    Typical weak phaggot, wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the streets.
    Would you be the one to beat him up in those 5 minutes?
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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    Not saying he should automatically be found guilty in criminal court. That is a high standard and up to the court legal process.

    But there is proof of injuries and witnesses of the events. You’re claiming zero proof which is false. It may or may not be enough to convict but it’s not zero proof.

    And whether he will be found guilty in criminal court is separate from how his conduct should be judged in the context of his career. Even the arrest by itself under these circumstances should be enough to drop him.
    When did I claim zero proof?

    You want someone to be punished in regards to their livelihood based on an arrest? Do you understand the implications of that?
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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    With DV there is a big risk they will do it again though. It’s dangerous for the victim that he can come back and retaliate. But idk if DV suspects are generally let out on bail.
    Domestic Violence arrestees are generally held in jail for 12 to 24 hours (giving time for the victim to move or seek refuge somewhere else).

    To give scope on how badly the judge fukked that guy. I went to a bonds man a couple of years ago to bail out a family member who was arrested for DV. He was held for 12 hours. I had to pay $600 cash to the bondsman to get him out. Which was 12% of his $5000 bail. So yeah, it should only cost around $600 cash to get someone out of jail for a misdemeanor domestic violence charge.

    In this case they bumped it up to a felony (not sure why, probably because of media attention). But they are going to need a lot more evidence to get a felony conviction. Dude will most likely take a plea for a misdemeanor DV charge or maybe he'll sweet talk her and the entire thing gets dropped.




    I know that picture looks bad but he didn't really rough her up that bad. I'm guessing its a bit of blood from a slap to her nose. Lips look fine. No teeth missing. No swollen/blackened eyes. No pictures of her neck to indicate he tried to strangle her. Etc. He's a big guy. One punch with a closed fist and she'd have looked far worse then that.


    Not trying to defend him or say he doesn't deserve jail time. But it doesn't look to me like he was trying to deliver a beating that would seriously hurt or kill her. Again, it doesn't even look like he punched her with a closed fist.
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    Originally Posted by DDSF1 View Post
    When did I claim zero proof?

    You want someone to be punished in regards to their livelihood based on an arrest? Do you understand the implications of that?
    Conduct detrimental to the team
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    Originally Posted by Redfish225 View Post
    Typical weak phaggot, wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the streets.
    lol exactly Jdawg is a weak phaggot
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    Yea every race has bad apples, but blacks just have more. These type of crimes are more commonly commited by black men
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Conduct detrimental to the team
    Just because of an arrest? Do you understand the implications of that? People being punished in society, including their livelihood, because of an arrest?
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    Originally Posted by DDSF1 View Post
    When did I claim zero proof?

    You want someone to be punished in regards to their livelihood based on an arrest? Do you understand the implications of that?
    You quoted the Diesel guy saying “zero proof” and you said “this.”

    Yes he should be dropped by the NFL. Athletes should be held to a very high standard of conduct. Much higher standard than just whether there is a criminal conviction. This is about the reputation of the Seahawks and NFL in general as well.
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    Originally Posted by guest89 View Post
    Domestic Violence arrestees are generally held in jail for 12 to 24 hours (giving time for the victim to move or seek refuge somewhere else).

    To give scope on how badly the judge fukked that guy. I went to a bonds man a couple of years ago to bail out a family member who was arrested for DV. He was held for 12 hours. I had to pay $600 cash to the bondsman to get him out. Which was 12% of his $5000 bail. So yeah, it should only cost around $600 cash to get someone out of jail for a misdemeanor domestic violence charge.

    In this case they bumped it up to a felony (not sure why, probably because of media attention). But they are going to need a lot more evidence to get a felony conviction. Dude will most likely take a plea for a misdemeanor DV charge or maybe he'll sweet talk her and the entire thing gets dropped.




    I know that picture looks bad but he didn't really rough her up that bad. I'm guessing its a bit of blood from a slap to her nose. Lips look fine. No teeth missing. No swollen/blackened eyes. No pictures of her neck to indicate he tried to strangle her. Etc. He's a big guy. One punch with a closed fist and she'd have looked far worse then that.


    Not trying to defend him or say he doesn't deserve jail time. But it doesn't look to me like he was trying to deliver a beating that would seriously hurt or kill her. Again, it doesn't even look like he punched her with a closed fist.
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    Originally Posted by DDSF1 View Post
    Just because of an arrest? Do you understand the implications of that? People being punished in society, including their livelihood, because of an arrest?
    Greg Hardy was deactivated, placed on the exempt list, and suspended for the exact same chit while legal proceedings took place.. and he was 10x the player that this guy is. Greg Hardy got his charges expunged from his record and STILL got a 4 game suspension because of everything that happened
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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    You quoted the Diesel guy saying “zero proof” and you said “this.”

    Yes he should be dropped by the NFL. Athletes should be held to a very high standard of conduct. Much higher standard than just whether there is a criminal conviction. This is about the reputation of the Seahawks and NFL in general as well.
    NFL players with Domestic Violence are common. He will only get released if he isn't a good player on the field.
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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    You quoted the Diesel guy saying “zero proof” and you said “this.”

    Yes he should be dropped by the NFL. Athletes should be held to a very high standard of conduct. Much higher standard than just whether there is a criminal conviction. This is about the reputation of the Seahawks and NFL in general as well.
    zero proof of criminal guilt until investigated. we don't know the events that took place surrounding her receiving the injuries. There is obvious proof of her injuries.

    Again, I don't think you understand how disturbing that sort of reaction is--people getting fired from their jobs because they are arrested. That is not some light issue. You want people fired and disgraced immediately after being arrested. That is a dangerous societal and cultural norm. The NFL and the Seahawks, like everyone in America, should wait for an investigation and criminal proceedings.

    Seriously, stand back for a moment and think about what you are saying. People getting punished for being arrested. That makes getting someone arrested a dangerous weapon that can be manipulated.
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    NFL players with Domestic Violence are common. He will only get released if he isn't a good player on the field.
    I think they’re saying he is a free agent anyway? Idk how that works. But this should be condemned in some way. Just based on the arrest circumstances alone, without waiting for a criminal conviction. The league standard of conduct should be very high.
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    Originally Posted by Redfish225 View Post
    Typical weak phaggot, wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the streets.
    6’7” offensive lineman with anger issues wouldn’t last in the streets lol


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    imagine flipping out like that over a 5/10, or any broad for that matter, some dudes really got emotions of a woman but then again the guy looks like he's rockin a sub 70 IQ at best
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Greg Hardy was deactivated, placed on the exempt list, and suspended for the exact same chit while legal proceedings took place.. and he was 10x the player that this guy is. Greg Hardy got his charges expunged from his record and STILL got a 4 game suspension because of everything that happened
    And? ok that happened. What you and ss are saying is that it is ok to be punished for being arrested. I am saying that is insane and has very serious ramifications if it becomes a societal and cultural norm. Arguably it already is, but it shouldn't. Getting arrested must never be equated with being guilty or be seen as a green light to destroy someone in society. There is a reason for a legal process it is fundamental for a functioning society.
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    imagine being a pro athlete and having to settle to smash that, lol.
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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    I think they’re saying he is a free agent anyway? Idk how that works. But this should be condemned in some way. Just based on the arrest circumstances alone, without waiting for a criminal conviction. The league standard of conduct should be very high.
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    Originally Posted by DDSF1 View Post
    zero proof of criminal guilt until investigated. we don't know the events that took place surrounding her receiving the injuries. There is obvious proof of her injuries.

    Again, I don't think you understand how disturbing that sort of reaction is--people getting fired from their jobs because they are arrested. That is not some light issue. You want people fired and disgraced immediately after being arrested. That is a dangerous societal and cultural norm. The NFL and the Seahawks, like everyone in America, should wait for an investigation and criminal proceedings.

    Seriously, stand back for a moment and think about what you are saying. People getting punished for being arrested. That makes getting someone arrested a dangerous weapon that can be manipulated.
    Not only the arrest. The circumstances surrounding the arrest. The picture of her injuries. The police testimony on the report. It’s enough.

    You don’t have a constitutional legal right to play football. They can cut him for reputation reasons. Especially in the context of DV to make a clear stand that this is unacceptable conduct under any circumstances.
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    Although its common knowledge I just wanted to post that this OP really is a phaggot.
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    Originally Posted by umadbroski View Post
    imagine being a pro athlete and having to settle to smash that, lol.
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    Originally Posted by tehgosu View Post
    imagine flipping out like that over a 5/10, or any broad for that matter, some dudes really got emotions of a woman but then again the guy looks like he's rockin a sub 70 IQ at best
    DV has nothing to do with looks. It’s absurd to even bring looks up.

    DV is about power and control. A deep need to control and dominate people. When willing to cross legal and moral boundaries out of that need for control it is a personality disorder. A callous disregard for the rights of others. A complete lack of empathy. Complete disregard for morals and the law. It’s a personality disorder and it has zero to do with looks.
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    I just read further that part of why he did it is because he didn't take his bi-polar medications.

    Not excusing him but at least it makes more sense.
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    Originally Posted by DynamicDot View Post
    I just read further that part of why he did it is because he didn't take his bi-polar medications.

    Not excusing him but at least it makes more sense.
    I read that too but it’s BS. This is not about mood swings. This conduct goes way beyond that.
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