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    Exclamation Testosterone booster for the first time

    What is the best and safest testosterone supplement out there? I want to try one if these
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    Proper nutrition, proper sleep and a good training regime.

    If you have genuine concerns regarding symptoms of low testosterone, speak to your dr, otherwise don’t bother wasting your money on ‘test boosters’ as they only thing they’re boosting is the profits of the shops selling them.
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    Save your money OP. MAYBE +2 points on a scale of 1000 is a waste of money, no matter how you slice it...
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    Universal Natural Sterol Complex

    I choose it for you because it has a lot of ingredients
    It might give you a nice placebo and a hole in your budget

    Seriously now, most guys believe testosterone supplement are worthless.
    Few guys say they have seen benefits from them. Or from tribulus. Or other stuff.
    You will never know for sure until you try it and lose some money.

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    Originally Posted by faipdeooiad View Post
    Proper nutrition, proper sleep and a good training regime.

    If you have genuine concerns regarding symptoms of low testosterone, speak to your dr, otherwise don’t bother wasting your money on ‘test boosters’ as they only thing they’re boosting is the profits of the shops selling them.
    ^ This.
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    I disagree with all the nay sayers simply because I find it fun to try new things out and experiment. Of course I can agree that diet and sleep are high priorities BUT I also feel strongly that "supplements" have their place too ! If your worried about cost then just don't buy any.
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    Originally Posted by sharkbite View Post
    I disagree with all the nay sayers simply because I find it fun to try new things out and experiment. Of course I can agree that diet and sleep are high priorities BUT I also feel strongly that "supplements" have their place too ! If your worried about cost then just don't buy any.
    Except there is nothing to support your claim about OTC test booster doing anything but creating a deficit in your wallet. LOL @ N=1.
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    Originally Posted by stalkyoso View Post
    I highly recommend mike mahlers astb

    Saw 20-30 percent increase in total T and even higher in free T, did blood work to make sure it was working

    This is false. Most likely a vitamin b supp.

    Macrodosing vitamin b supplements will skew the results and make test levels look higher srs.

    Anyone who's taken a T test knows you're supposed to avoid b vitamins supps 72hrs prior to the blood work.






    No such thing as otc test booster.
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    iForce Tropinol worked well for me, back in 2011
    Lol- it was Spiked back in 2011
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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    Except there is nothing to support your claim about OTC test booster doing anything but creating a deficit in your wallet. LOL @ N=1.
    If that's how you see it then keep your money in your wallet.

    (pre-covid) I'd go out and spend enough $$ on booze in one night to cover the cost of a few OTC test booster runs ! we spend where we want.
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    Originally Posted by mr.left hook View Post
    Lol- it was Spiked back in 2011
    Could have been but I never heard about it till now :-)
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    Originally Posted by sharkbite View Post
    Could have been but I never heard about it till now :-)
    One of the drawbacks to this forum is that when people discover a product is spiked with off label ingredients/illegal ingredients (ESPECIALLY if said product can be purchased here), all of those posts and threads are deleted if there is a chance to keep the info from spreading
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    One of the drawbacks to this forum is that when people discover a product is spiked with off label ingredients/illegal ingredients (ESPECIALLY if said product can be purchased here), all of those posts and threads are deleted if there is a chance to keep the info from spreading
    Its a good policy and I agree with it, however, I would hope that there would need to be some formal evidence presented to conclude the "spike" claim as real before taking such harsh measures. Otherwise competitors could spam posts and have their competition removed easily. IMO when I read the post I assumed he was JK.
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    Originally Posted by sharkbite View Post
    Its a good policy and I agree with it, however, I would hope that there would need to be some formal evidence presented to conclude the "spike" claim as real before taking such harsh measures. Otherwise competitors could spam posts and have their competition removed easily. IMO when I read the post I assumed he was JK.
    I'm probably still bias after I posted real world, important test results about Craze and got called a jealous liar and the thread deleted. Then, well, awhile later it was front page of USA Today...
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    Originally Posted by sharkbite View Post
    If that's how you see it then keep your money in your wallet.

    (pre-covid) I'd go out and spend enough $$ on booze in one night to cover the cost of a few OTC test booster runs ! we spend where we want.
    It is thanks. At least the booze actually creates a buzz that you can feel and notice and tastes good, if that's your thing. The OTC test booster will never actually do anything to actually boost your testosterone in any appreciable manner that would make a difference outside of possible increases in libido.

    You can find new things and experiment all you want, but that doesn't mean it actually does anything outside of above.
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    Originally Posted by faipdeooiad View Post
    Proper nutrition, proper sleep and a good training regime.

    If you have genuine concerns regarding symptoms of low testosterone, speak to your dr, otherwise don’t bother wasting your money on ‘test boosters’ as they only thing they’re boosting is the profits of the shops selling them.
    this is what I recommend. natural way to actually increase testosterone !
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    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    well many say don't spend the money... but can someone point me to blood works and data?

    well I bought over 1.6k in "T boosting" stuff and collecting real numbers , will let you know how it goes... so far I got 6 pounds of muscles but had issues with testing T ( lame doctors) this year that issue is resolved and will have solid numbers - doc only did one test and it came back 904ng/dL just fyi

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    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    No idea what you are saying...?
    DAA has been shown to have more downside than upside in actually doing anything with testosterone. Further, your N=1 "tests" don't actually mean anything.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    I'm probably still bias after I posted real world, important test results about Craze and got called a jealous liar and the thread deleted. Then, well, awhile later it was front page of USA Today...
    what did you feel when you took it? i just googled and there was a meth type stimulant in there

    ever get yourself checked out after at some point to make sure there was no type of damage health wise?
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    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    time will tell with data
    A lot of what you're taking has been studied with data to show for it. For example:
    https://examine.com/supplements/d-aspartic-acid/

    "There appears to be an increase in testosterone in most subjects acutely (6-12 days), and while this may persist to the tune of 30-60% in infertile men it is reduced to baseline within a month in otherwise healthy men with normal testosterone at baseline. However, high doses also seem to decrease free testosterone and total testosterone in resistance trained men. "

    You can check some of the other things you're taking on examine as well.
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    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    time will tell with data
    The problem you have here is that your data is sample of one. That's what N=1 means. It's meaningless data on it's own. That's not a study. As Ghawk21 noted, there are studies on many of these things and the data already shows it's bad.

    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    that's a study , I seen/read many , reason how I made my list , , maybe less maybe more maybe expansive piss , data will show on me

    if I pull every study one every thing I am taking , T boost 2,000+%..... , I need real world test on myself
    But again, that's not a study and it's not controlled data collection. It's pretty much worthless data, but have fun.
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    Better off just taking the cash you would’ve spent on a legal test booster,
    and burning it.

    The resulting rage will give you a far more effective spike and should provide enough aggression to go and have a good session in the gym.

    That would be a far more effective use of your money m8
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    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    how N=1 become 2 or 10,000?
    Um, an actual study with a control group with multiple participants. Science isn't just a bunch of uncontrolled randos sending in data.

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    someone has to try it and see if it works... we can link studies all day till we blue in the face
    I know about that study and in my docs its marked as a maybe , but he must of did a lot work trying find the maybes

    saying it will not work isn't good enough for me
    Okay, but you understand a study is controlled (or semi-controlled) comparison between two or more groups. It's not just a random dude taking something and then having his blood-tested. Who knows what other variables there may be?

    You can do whatever you want. The DAA study was good and what we previously thought to be decent at affecting testosterone (at least as far as otc stuff goes) was incorrect and actually had more downside than good. But hey, if you want to be sure with your N=1, okay. The point is that those results are pretty much worthless, because you're not conducting a study. It's just a comparison of results of a blood test from two different time periods. What variables created those different results are not known.
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    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    I know what a controlled study and how they work.... well make my trip shorter and point me to a post or study that someone tried from the same stack and had nothing( just taking one 10$ ofc and calling it a day dont fly with me)? that was my first question

    according to whom? you that never did it or track it? or according to bro science?
    Ghawk gave you a resource. Examine has tons of studies listed under each ingredient. There are three for DAA just with regard to testosterone. You can also see the studies on infertile males. So unless you're infertile looking for improved seminal mobility, DAA has more downside than upside.

    A synopsis of the three studies on testosterone:
    "There appears to be an increase in testosterone in most subjects acutely (6-12 days), and while this may persist to the tune of 30-60% in infertile men it is reduced to baseline within a month in otherwise healthy men with normal testosterone at baseline. However, high doses also seem to decrease free testosterone and total testosterone in resistance trained men."

    Cool. So a boost in test in infertile men, but healthy men returned to baseline within a month of starting to take it, but a decrease in free and total test for healthy men that are resistance training. No thanks, Jeff. In fact, one of the conclusions from the resistance trained male study was, "Therefore, at the dose provided, D-ASP supplementation is ineffective in up-regulating the activity of the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis and has no anabolic or ergogenic effects in skeletal muscle."

    The other issues with many of these testosterone "boosting" ingredients is that while they may meet statistical significance in a study, that doesn't mean real world differences or benefit of value. An increase of 1% or 2% that met the statistical significance in the study is in reality is a minimal difference in a blood test and means nothing in terms of derived benefit in the gym.

    So again, your just taking a blood test at two times isn't really of value. It's useless data. It's just as useless to, "Point you to a post or 'study' that someone tried from the same stack?" N=1 data isn't valuable and doesn't mean anything because it is uncontrolled. If you know what controlled studies are an how they work, then you'd understand why N=1 is pointless. Further, pretending that my uncontrolled N=1 data is either confirmation or contradictory of a study's results is equally ridiculous.

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    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    the time between 2 points isn't rocket science do the same and most likely have same results , just saying oh you know variables now that will blow the lid off everything no... you will get almost same results we both go running 3 hr every day guess what? we will both lose fat , you can scream variables all day , diff body type , diff intake diff country whatever , sure it can change the results ratio but WE WILL BOTH lose weight
    Not true. Unless we both are at a caloric deficit to TDEE, we are not both going to lose weight. Again, those variables of metabolism and intake of food. And lol @ body types. In before somatotypes are real.

    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    that is all I am doing tracking are they worthless or not

    example tomorrow I go get T lvl tested and they come back 2,000 and free 500 ( for the sake of example)
    now will you scream variables???? plz dont bust my balls with bro science
    LOL. Still laughing. There is no broscience here. The basis of broscience has always been people thinking their N=1 around some context of a study. You're missing the point that there are uncontrolled variables, but hey. You're going to do you. Good luck with your wallet deficit goals in 2021.
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    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    tada real world testing here
    Are you being daft on purpose? If a controlled study shows a 1% difference, and if we look at average baseline of the normal range of 670 ng/dl, then you're looking at 6.7 ng/dl improvement. That's nothing and would not produce any real world benefit. Even a 5% improvement within the study is 33.g ng/dl difference. Still not changing anything. Again, this in the normal range.

    A blood test may show you a difference, but the actual benefit of that difference isn't going to be realized.
    A) Because it's not that big of a difference; and
    B) Even if it were, you'd have to have some objective measure to show that it's actually beneficial to increase your already normal testosterone.

    Originally Posted by Mad0nion View Post
    agreed if you wanna act all bro sciences - you atm + 3 hr running you will lose weight , I am sure of that , dont need PHD

    yea like you ppl really care about my wallet lol or my health
    How is that broscience? I don't think you know what that term means. Further, the only way to make your ridiculous point is to create an extreme situation to make it. Regardless, it doesn't prove what you're saying to be true, at all. How do you know what subject A and B are eating? Subject A could eat huge quantities of food, because he doesn't want to lose weight. There are plenty of athletes that train for extended periods of time and don't lose weight. But now here we are talking in N=1 land.

    This is why N=1 is pointless, regardless of whether or not you think a PhD matters here.

    Why do you keep editing? No one cares about your health. That's your issue. If you look at many of the studies on the ingredients of your list on examine, you'll see that most just meet statistical significance which is around 1% depending on what the authors of the study decided. Since we agree that 1-2% is worthless, we don't need time to tell. We know it to be worthless.
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    Originally Posted by mad0nion View Post
    no, a ton of studies show 300% increases from 1 thing or another
    lol.
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