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    Skeptical about OPs post. It cost my insurance like 30k when we delivered my kid. And we were there for 3 days.

    I believe the price was high but 72k seems like a made up number. Especially without an itemized bill, which you should ALWAYS receive.
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    Skeptical about OPs post. It cost my insurance like 30k when we delivered my kid. And we were there for 3 days.

    I believe the price was high but 72k seems like a made up number. Especially without an itemized bill, which you should ALWAYS receive.
    did you guys go into the ER or straight to labor and delivery?

    ER bills >>>>
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    Hospitals should be for emergency life and death stuff. One of the problems is the people on welfare or people that cant afford it use the emergency room as their personal doctor to go to every time they have a tummy ache. You should have 24 hour clinics for things like broken bones and stitches and stuff. At a hospital you're not only paying for your own care but for the 10 other people that decided not to pay. Also when government is paying there is no limit to what they can charge they just maximize the cost. I called to get an MRI done at a bunch of places and I asked how much it would be. They kept saying it depends on my insurance. Like wtf? the cost of how much something is depends on my insurance? I told them I am paying cash and not using insurance and they still couldn't tell me the cost of an MRI for my knee. Everything is a fukin scam now days in this 3rd world no trust multi diverse **** hole "country" everybody is out to rip everyone else off and see this place as a pile of money to rape and steal for themselves. Its sick what these people did to our country. We should have never let them in here. Now they infiltrated all levels of government, media, universities, judicial system, finance, etc and it would take a miracle to get them out. Hopefully God burns the whole thing down and the rats flee from here so we can rebuild and learn our lesson to never let them infect us again.
    Insurance companies run hospitals and doctors, really. They pretty much dictate how the "business" is ran.
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    You're legit retarded if think trump gave a **** lmao. Guaranteed he didn't come up with a single fking thing other than building that failure of a wall. To think trump actually cares about the citizens is low IQ. Now don't get time wrong, Biden is the same. They're all shills for mega corps. But I'm just saying it's beyond stupid to blame liberals on this.
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    IMO one of the biggest issues is that hospitals spend too much on administrative employees, and too little on staffing actual healthcare workers. Apart from that, the insurance system is garbage. 0 transparency, obscured “competition”, and not a reflection of capitalism or socialism (its the very ugly thing you find in between). Also, as others mentioned, people who qualify for “free everything” often abuse their privileges, and drive up costs for everyone.
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    Originally Posted by BorderPatrol505 View Post
    You're the degen. You're an absolute moron if you think democrats care to fix anything. The left wing mayors probably split the profits with the hospitals. the corruption runs deep and lol if you think they are the "good guys".
    This. Democrats had plenty of time to fix this but they didn't. Neither party wants anything about our healthcare system to change and when they say they do they lie (surprise!)
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    brutal man..

    ive been to the hospital like 5 times in the past month. imagine if i had to pay for that
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    why did he go to the hospital if he is cool

    unless he showed covid symptoms. then for srs. he should have went
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    is your brother as big of a racist fa ggot loser as you are op? black people have never gotten reparations in this country you idiot douchebag. jesus christ, even on a topic that has nothing to do with race, you small-dic ked morons will find a way. keep crying pu ssy-ass white boy or whatever the f uck you are.
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    Originally Posted by Adam16121 View Post
    the insurance system is garbage. 0 transparency, obscured “competition”, and not a reflection of capitalism or socialism .

    Businesses almost always only buy the insurance they are required to buy. You compete for a flashy way to spare their stress in signing up, not actually modelling things well.
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    IMO one of the biggest issues is that hospitals spend too much on administrative employees, and too little on staffing actual healthcare workers.
    AGAIN, cost has NOTHING to do with price. Why do miscers keep saying this? In the US, it's just like any other business where the goal is to maximize profits. If they suddenly restructured and saved a bunch of money, they would pass $0 to the customer.
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    You can ask for an itemized bill. By law, they have to provide this for you. This is where you will see all the bullschitt they nickel and dime you for. In many cases, you can dismiss some charges as well.
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    is your brother as big of a racist fa ggot loser as you are op? black people have never gotten reparations in this country you idiot douchebag. jesus christ, even on a topic that has nothing to do with race, you small-dic ked morons will find a way. keep crying pu ssy-ass white boy or whatever the f uck you are.
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    My mom got cancer last year and now has a bill over $10k

    She finally got rid of the cancer but still has to pay
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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Worth a repeat- we don't have a free market healthcare system now. The healthcare industry somehow scored a waiver allowing them to continue business practices that aren't legal for other industries.



    Been down that rabbit hole myself. It's nearly impossible to get a direct quote on the price of service for anything beyond a straight office visit.



    Leaving this here again. In the US we already spend more per capita in taxpayer money for healthcare, but unlike the other countries shown that money doesn't provide coverage to all citizen, just some of them.





    That's a big statement. And I don't know that I can refute it easily. Runners up?

    - cutting public funding for secondary education and substituting non-dischargeable student loans

    - barely restrained consolidation of media ownership

    - corporate "personhood"; the rights without the responsibilities
    US among the highest public spenders per capita? wow, so that "socialism" people are afraid of bringing with universal healthcare is already here, just without much of the benefits? interesting.

    personally im in favor of the government regulating the prices so these scammers arent charging $500 for a bag of salt water and chit. these silly prices inflated like 5x-10x should simply be illegal, fk that "free market" argument these people are scammers and it's not even a true "free market". and there some sort of 2 tier system where people can pay more for better/faster service in private facilities (which will not be ridiculously priced cuz of fair price caps) with a cheap public option available.
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    Have him call the hospital and ask for an itemized breakdown of the bill. They will then send him one and remove all the bull chit charges like: $400 for a tylenol

    Also, he needs to submit his car insurance info so they will pay first, then his health insurance will pay. If he doesnt have health insurance, then he should ask about "indigent patient" programs, charity programs or just programs for people in financial trouble. ALso, i saw this video recently, no idea if its legit. Its about how to get the hospital to legally forgive your bills if you make under a certain amount. https://www.tiktok.com/@dollarfor/vi...from_webapp=v1

    Also, google ways to get your medical bills/debt forgiven

    US medical billing/debt is bull chit. But socialization is even more bull chit. To be fair though, i dont have any idea of how to fix it
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    Originally Posted by ErnieMccracken View Post
    AGAIN, cost has NOTHING to do with price. Why do miscers keep saying this? In the US, it's just like any other business where the goal is to maximize profits. If they suddenly restructured and saved a bunch of money, they would pass $0 to the customer.
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    Similar to bloated government and bloated school administration. Agreed that they would not pass savings towards patients, but it also depends on the model.
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    Originally Posted by ErnieMccracken View Post
    AGAIN, cost has NOTHING to do with price. Why do miscers keep saying this? In the US, it's just like any other business where the goal is to maximize profits. If they suddenly restructured and saved a bunch of money, they would pass $0 to the customer.
    TX passed tort reform in 2003 supposedly to lower the cost of healthcare inflated because of doctors having to pay high premiums for malpractice insurance.

    What did happen is that a lot of people who suffered some medical injury were unable to find legal redress because the potential damages of their case weren't high enough value to be worth the time of a litigator.

    What didn't happen was anyone charging or paying lower prices for healthcare.
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    Lol I am mind blown 70k for some CT scan and check up?

    I'd rather wait 3 hours in ER here in UK and get my healthcare for free LMAO. Didn't realize you get charged so much.

    Lol at saying our healthcare system is bad because we have longer queues...

    It is way better than waking up with a 70k debt fukking lol.
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    My brother was in the hospital overnight due to a car crash and got charged 72k for a ONE NIGHT stay, 2 minute doctor consultation and CT scan.

    He got the bill today. The hospital gives zero breakdown as to the charges and just tells him they are going to bill his insurence just over $72,000 for the 1 night visit.

    Lol what an absolute joke our healthcare system is. our gov needs to stop funding reparations for black people, abortion mills, welfare checks to the lazy, and use that money to fix healthcare. Its absolutely disgusting how much money the democrats waste on complete BS. I expect the wasteful spending to get 20x worse and more egregious under biden admin.
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    Those charges are merely a formality, insurance and the hospital have already negotiated rates that they actually pay which are much more reasonable.

    Forcing everyone on universal healthcare will cause the quality of care to plummet. Wait times for surgery in Canada are so insane(e.g. lung cancer surgery is 24 days) that many head south to the U.S. to get them done sooner. The NHS in the UK is constantly on the brink financially and lack the access to the newest, most cutting edge drug and technological treatments that spoil us U.S. citizens. There's a reason why citizens from other countries come here for the newest treatments.

    There has not been a single government institution that has been more efficient and cost effective than private institutions(USPS, DMV, SSI, etc.)

    Insurance has been able to keep costs down by being selective in their risk pool(your employer, for example). If that risk pool expands to the entire unhealthy population then the costs will be even greater.

    I like Germany's system: have basic universal healthcare but also allow a private network which offers better care and better tech for those who can afford it.
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    The government in Australia is trying to slowly kill medicare and move to a private health business model like the states. But thankfully private health is hemorrhaging out money as young Australian's know it's a scam. In Australia if you earn over 100k, you need to pay an extra tax if you DON'T take out private health care. This extra tax you pay goes in to the public sector. People are encourage to pay the extra tax to the private health companies so they don't get hit with the tax. But young people are opting to pay the extra tax straight to the countries pubilc health system. For an example, the cheapest private health you could get for the year with pretty much no cover, is $2000. And the tax you would pay if you don't take it out is roughly the same.

    My wife gave birth through public health, and it didn't cost us a cent. It was a great experience, and the care offered was world class.
    Her friend also just gave birth through private, and they ended up being out of pocket an extra $1800 over the private health cover they already pay for.
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    op answer my question, how much is your brother liable to pay and how much is insurance covering? nothing else matters unless we know this

    ive had huge medical bills but my insurance covered everything over 5k
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    one doctor visit ruins your life? strong wtf

    i thought my current situation wasting like 4k being dragged through a BS custody battle was bad, wow...
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    Leaving this here again. In the US we already spend more per capita in taxpayer money for healthcare, but unlike the other countries shown that money doesn't provide coverage to all citizen, just some of them.
    Are you retarded?

    It doesn't matter how much money you spend on things, only the outcome....Mortality, safety of Care, Readmissions, Patient Experience....




    Congrats on spending money on a complete piece of crap.






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    Originally Posted by JIA View Post
    Those charges are merely a formality, insurance and the hospital have already negotiated rates that they actually pay which are much more reasonable.

    Forcing everyone on universal healthcare will cause the quality of care to plummet. Wait times for surgery in Canada are so insane(e.g. lung cancer surgery is 24 days) that many head south to the U.S. to get them done sooner. The NHS in the UK is constantly on the brink financially and lack the access to the newest, most cutting edge drug and technological treatments that spoil us U.S. citizens. There's a reason why citizens from other countries come here for the newest treatments.

    There has not been a single government institution that has been more efficient and cost effective than private institutions(USPS, DMV, SSI, etc.)

    Insurance has been able to keep costs down by being selective in their risk pool(your employer, for example). If that risk pool expands to the entire unhealthy population then the costs will be even greater.

    I like Germany's system: have basic universal healthcare but also allow a private network which offers better care and better tech for those who can afford it.
    Did you see my handy chart above?

    Canada's total per capita medical spend is $4,974.

    The US's total per capita medical spend is $10,207.

    So does the Canadian system suck because the government runs it, or does it suck because it doesn't have enough funding to provide everyone as much healthcare as they want as quickly as they would like?

    Perhaps part of that over $5K per person difference in spending gives the US a bit better care (if you can afford it), but a whole hell of a lot of it is being leeched off as profits by unnecessary paper pushers and producers that have weaseled their way in via some backdoor political chicanery.

    Why can't we negotiate lower drug prices the way that other countries do? Or even the way that large corporations do?

    And before someone trots out the "cost of development, other countries are free riders" mantra know that the US isn't the only country where drugs are developed + taxpayers already subsidize a lot of the cost of drug development through university research programs.

    No other industry gets this kind of special treatment AFAIK.

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    Are you retarded?
    If this was meant to be directed at me I'm not sure how you read my reply as being in support of the present system.
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    Originally Posted by KennyFisher View Post
    Are you retarded?

    It doesn't matter how much money you spend on things, only the outcome....Mortality, safety of Care, Readmissions, Patient Experience....




    Congrats on spending money on a complete piece of crap.






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    good, maybe people will stop flooding our country......
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    No handouts, that's what you Republicans said.

    Enjoy the 72k bill, that's what your stupidity does to this country.
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