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01-22-2021, 09:40 AM #31
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01-22-2021, 09:47 AM #32
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01-22-2021, 09:54 AM #33
I lean right and am very much against for-profit prisons.
I agree with this. Justice shouldn't be profitable, it needs to be done with no external factors having ties to it.
from Luke:
a rational plan to fix what's wrong with America:
- end all private prisons
- end all labor of prisoners for the manufacture of any products/services outside of prison
- end drug war; except that which involves border and coastal security and drug interdiction
- totally secure border and coasts using any and all options including military
- make illegal entry a very serious crime; with death to repeat offenders
- legalize citizens killing drug dealers in their communities as an extension of self defense
- end almost all social welfare to the young and employable
- stop all trade and all other normal contact with China"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." -Will Durant
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01-22-2021, 10:13 AM #34
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01-22-2021, 10:24 AM #35I only read thread titles and my own posts.
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01-22-2021, 10:24 AM #36
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01-22-2021, 10:26 AM #37
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01-22-2021, 10:32 AM #38
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01-22-2021, 10:38 AM #39
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01-22-2021, 10:43 AM #40
Cliffs: private prisons are better run than state prisons and prisoners prefer private prisons
fkin lmao @ the brain dead idiots who equate working in prison to slavery. Absolutely no one is forcing them to work, they CHOOSE to work to break up the monotony of prison life. They see it as a privilege.
Having less prison space and therefore less people in prison does not mean people will commit less crime. Once again with short-sighted dumb fuk liberal ideas, poor communities (mostly black) will be the ones who suffer.
JFL @ ending private prisons and defunding the police. A step towards utopia in the mind of a liberal zombie, a recipe for disaster in reality. Why is it so hard for you people to live in the real world?
If you don't want to go to prison, stop committing crimes.Last edited by Gainzzz; 01-22-2021 at 10:51 AM.
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01-22-2021, 10:45 AM #41
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01-22-2021, 10:48 AM #42
Not saying I think private prisons are better(don’t know enough the issue to make a legit decision on it), but are people honestly thinking that allowing the government to have full control is going to reduce corruption? When in the history of ever has that happened? The funds that are set aside to pay private companies right now...what do you think will happen to those funds? They’ll just get allotted to public prison spending and all the concerns of private prisons will still be there.
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01-22-2021, 10:50 AM #43
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01-22-2021, 10:52 AM #44
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01-22-2021, 10:53 AM #45
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01-22-2021, 10:59 AM #46
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01-22-2021, 11:35 AM #47
^^^
These. And I hope it actually happens.
OT: I would guess that prisoners fall under:
- illegal business
- theft
- violent crime
- mental illness
And of course some could be classified as more than one of these.
The non-violent who fall under illegal business/theft should probably be in different facilities from the rest. I could go for something where they have to work off their debt instead of serve a set period of time. Maybe the amount that they were convicted of stealing X2 (directly from individuals/businesses or "unpaid taxes" re:illegal business) + the cost to the state of their living expenses while they are incarcerated.
You scammed some poor elderly people w/a roof repair gimmick? Well you get to work it off and pay them back + pay your expenses while you are in. I would give them the option to liquidate their own assets to apply to the amount owed.
Might not deter petty thefts much, but it could slow down some of those who "steal big".
Most of the minor BS should be dis-chargeable via public service instead of fines that unfairly impact poor people, don't offer much deterrence to the well off, and seem mainly to be a revenue source for municipalities.
Speeding ticket? Underage possession? Have money, or don't have money, spending 4 Saturdays picking up litter, cleaning floors, or whatever besides what you would prefer to be doing, is a decent deterrent against repeat offenses.INTP Crew
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01-22-2021, 11:49 AM #48
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01-22-2021, 03:37 PM #49
The 13th Amendment needs to be amended first.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...merica/406177/
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01-22-2021, 03:41 PM #50
it's hilarious that you clowns think that there will be a shortage of criminals once private prisons are scrapped
just fukin LOL
inb4 massive early releases of dangerous criminals back onto the streets
i actually support prison reform, and think we should take a rehabilitation approach instead of punitive, but just LOL at jumping on the feel good wagon because of buzz words
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01-22-2021, 03:55 PM #51
Because there should be 0% of prisoners in private prisons.
There are many many cases of corrupt judges getting kick backs for sending people to private prisons.
For example https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsy...son%20sentence.
A former Pennsylvania judge involved in a scheme to send children to a for-profit jail in exchange for kickbacks ...
Conahan was sentenced in 2011 to 17½ years in prison for his role in what became known as the kids-for-cash scandal. The ex-Luzerne County judge pleaded guilty to a racketeering conspiracy charge for accepting a share of $2.8 million from the builder and co-owner of the for-profit detention center.
Mark Ciavarella, the ex-juvenile court judge who sent thousands of children to the for-profit detention center, was convicted at trial and is serving a 28-year federal prison sentence.
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01-22-2021, 04:32 PM #52
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01-22-2021, 05:10 PM #53
They've stated (Booker last year) they want 1/2 of all prisoners released. What is wrong is when they get $200m to bail out "protesters" and a couple rapists/**** ers get mixed in, like MN. Incompetence or not, it's completely unacceptable.
As far as Luke's list, want to significantly drop gun violence, make crimes w/guns life sentences, possible parole. Ultimately they don't want real solutions tho.
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01-22-2021, 05:27 PM #54
Private prisons need to go
However I dont think crims are going to be sent to overcrowded government facilities and they wont build more prisons, they will just be released onto the streets.
Hahahahahaha
Higher taxes, more war, rising inflation and gas prices by killing the oil industry, opening the borders to immigrants despite massive unemployment, higher minimum wage to kill even more jobs all rounded off nicely with them releasing criminals onto the streets.
Not even a week in
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01-22-2021, 05:41 PM #55
Repped for quality post but now I have to disagree where appropriate.
I knew Oklahoma had a few private prisons so it wouldn't be difficult to challenge the above. To my surprise, Oklahoma has reduced its private prison facilities to just two.
These facilities have an incentive to imprison people.
The two major players in the private corrections industry, The Geo Group and CoreCivic, have banked on similar business models since the early 1980s.
Looking to cut costs and relieve overcrowding in public facilities, state and federal governments agree to pay the companies a fixed, daily rate per inmate. In exchange, the companies promise to provide inmates with adequate housing, food and medical care. The contracts typically specify that the state must maintain a certain occupancy level, usually between 80% and 100%.
Criminal justice reform advocates have long decried the use of private prisons, saying that their for profit model causes them to cut corners on inmate programs and safety. Critics have also spoken out against the industry’s practice of lobbying political candidates. Private corrections companies have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Oklahoma politicians since 1994.
Numerous academic and government funded studies support the claim that state facilities are better run than private prisons.
A 2016 Department of Justice report found federal private persons were less effective than state-run facilities at reforming inmates and had a host of other problems, including high rates of inmate violence and security deficiencies.
Oklahoma’s private prisons have their own problematic history.
In September 2015, four Cimarron inmates died and several others were hospitalized in the deadliest prison fight in state history. Gang fights and persistent lockdowns have plagued the Lawton Correctional Facility for years.
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01-22-2021, 06:03 PM #56
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Idk why i left out the obvious...that both Kamala and Joe have a history of reinforcing the PIC they now claim to be fixing. Kamala promoted the use of inmates as cheap firefighting labor for California, lmfao
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...JMG2PAijp1T3uc
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01-22-2021, 07:01 PM #57
Oh I’m aware of most (I believe) of the criticism along with benefits of privatized correctional institutions. Tied it in to a paper last semester.
The larger issue is criminal justice reform, not govt vs private institutions. CJ reform is one of the most important tasks of our lifetime, and has the chance to improve society to an enormous degree.Psych & handcuffs
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01-23-2021, 08:05 AM #58
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