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    Originally Posted by BunkerBoy View Post
    95 Senators voted for the Crime Bill
    4 Voted no.

    Both parties loved it.
    We have to stop pretending like Biden passed it by himself.
    Biden authored the bill. Same way he pushed the Drug laws in the 80s.
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    Originally Posted by BunkerBoy View Post
    95 Senators voted for the Crime Bill
    4 Voted no.

    Both parties loved it.
    We have to stop pretending like Biden passed it by himself.
    Not to mention, the increase in incarceration rate slowed down after 1994:



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    I lean right and am very much against for-profit prisons.

    I agree with this. Justice shouldn't be profitable, it needs to be done with no external factors having ties to it.

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    a rational plan to fix what's wrong with America:

    - end all private prisons

    - end all labor of prisoners for the manufacture of any products/services outside of prison

    - end drug war; except that which involves border and coastal security and drug interdiction

    - totally secure border and coasts using any and all options including military

    - make illegal entry a very serious crime; with death to repeat offenders

    - legalize citizens killing drug dealers in their communities as an extension of self defense

    - end almost all social welfare to the young and employable

    - stop all trade and all other normal contact with China
    I could get on board with those except civilians executing drug dealers.... too risky and too many holes, not logical move.
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    I'm fine with this.

    It's dumb to complain about incarceration rate though. The entirety of latin america would be better off if they were able to jail more criminals.
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    Originally Posted by Nelly87 View Post
    I lean right and am very much against for-profit prisons.

    I agree with this. Justice shouldn't be profitable, it needs to be done with no external factors having ties to it.

    from Luke:


    I could get on board with those except civilians executing drug dealers.... too risky and too many holes, not logical move.
    I don’t really feel like this is a left or right issue. I’m confident the only people that support it are those that benefit financially from it.
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    Originally Posted by andrew28 View Post
    I’m just a dumb fuk

    But I think the issue with privatized prisons is that their main goal is “surviving” and keeping corrections officers employed. So in order for that to happen, they gotta “keep this machine” going so they’ll push for harsher sentences or new laws that’ll help keep the prisons filled so the machine keeps running.
    Yep, that's exactly how it is with privatized prisons and it's a phucking disgrace. Republicans and Democrats don't agree on many things, but doing away with private prisons seems to be universally agreed upon.
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    Originally Posted by JMath View Post
    Someone explain why private prisons are a problem to me. Not trying to argue, just legit trying to understand. I admit when I hear "private" and "for profit" prisons it immediately makes me think WTF? But I guess I don't understand it.

    The prisons themselves aren't the judges/juries... they just house the person after a conviction. So it's not like they're locking people up who the government hasn't decided needed to be locked up. Absolutely nothing the government runs is as efficient as a private counterpart would be. If it's cheaper and more efficient for the federal government to allow private companies run the prisons, why shouldn't they?

    Incentivizing putting more people in private prisons then getting kickbacks from the owners during election season.
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    Cliffs: private prisons are better run than state prisons and prisoners prefer private prisons

    fkin lmao @ the brain dead idiots who equate working in prison to slavery. Absolutely no one is forcing them to work, they CHOOSE to work to break up the monotony of prison life. They see it as a privilege.

    Having less prison space and therefore less people in prison does not mean people will commit less crime. Once again with short-sighted dumb fuk liberal ideas, poor communities (mostly black) will be the ones who suffer.

    JFL @ ending private prisons and defunding the police. A step towards utopia in the mind of a liberal zombie, a recipe for disaster in reality. Why is it so hard for you people to live in the real world?

    If you don't want to go to prison, stop committing crimes.
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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post


    Cliffs: private prisons are better run than state prisons and prisoners prefer private prisons

    fkin lmao @ the brain dead idiots who equate working in prison to slavery. Absolutely no one is forcing them to work, they CHOOSE to work to break up the monotony of prison life. They see it as a privilege.

    Having less prison space and therefore less people in prison does not mean people will be commit less crime. Once again with short-sighted dumb fuk liberal ideas, poor communities (mostly black) will be the ones who suffer.

    JFL @ ending private prisons and defunding the police. A step towards utopia in the mind of a liberal zombie, a recipe for disaster in reality. Why is it so hard for you people to live in the real world?

    If you don't want to go to prison, stop committing crimes.



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    Originally Posted by Phil9 View Post
    Incentivizing putting more people in private prisons then getting kickbacks from the owners during election season.
    Not saying I think private prisons are better(don’t know enough the issue to make a legit decision on it), but are people honestly thinking that allowing the government to have full control is going to reduce corruption? When in the history of ever has that happened? The funds that are set aside to pay private companies right now...what do you think will happen to those funds? They’ll just get allotted to public prison spending and all the concerns of private prisons will still be there.
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    Originally Posted by Phil9 View Post
    Lol’d at a Candace Owens video.
    I'm happy that you lol'd at the Candace Owens video.

    But you should watch it and listen to the person she is interviewing, you simpleton.
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    Originally Posted by jtaylor2010 View Post
    Not saying I think private prisons are better(don’t know enough the issue to make a legit decision on it), but are people honestly thinking that allowing the government to have full control is going to reduce corruption? When in the history of ever has that happened? The funds that are set aside to pay private companies right now...what do you think will happen to those funds? They’ll just get allotted to public prison spending and all the concerns of private prisons will still be there.



    As they should be. Private companies shouldn’t be contracted for prison or military-related (IE: Blackwater) efforts on behalf of the U.S. Both should be strictly government controlled.
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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post
    I'm happy that you lol'd at the Candace Owens video.

    But you should watch it and listen to the person she is interviewing, you simpleton.


    Maybe post a video that doesn't show the face of a fanatical compulsive liar and Trump hanger-on like Owens and I’ll consider it.
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    There are all these felons with mile long rap sheets. We need more prisons not less.
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    I agree with most of this no question. However, having civilians kill drug dealers is absolutely unconstitutional, a terrible idea for many reasons and simply will never happen. I would meet you halfway with a couple things, but for the most part, absolutely.



    The prisons actually do have the authority to act as judges and juries to an extent. They issue disciplinary infractions, which once adjudicated by themselves leads to added time for the prisoners. Since their pay is based on the number of prisoners they have, this creates an incentive for them to go crazy with these infractions, which they do.

    Also, the contract with government states that if the prison population doesn’t meet some percentage of is max population, the government has to pay them extra. Not only does this create incentive for the government to put people in prison, it has lead to some states having to pay millions of dollars to the prisons when the quotas were not met. There are literally quotas for these prisons.
    Originally Posted by Narrator02 View Post
    There have been proven cases where judges give prison sentences instead of community service for petty crimes. They get kick backs in some forms from the for profit prisons for doing this.
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    OT: I would guess that prisoners fall under:

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    And of course some could be classified as more than one of these.

    The non-violent who fall under illegal business/theft should probably be in different facilities from the rest. I could go for something where they have to work off their debt instead of serve a set period of time. Maybe the amount that they were convicted of stealing X2 (directly from individuals/businesses or "unpaid taxes" re:illegal business) + the cost to the state of their living expenses while they are incarcerated.

    You scammed some poor elderly people w/a roof repair gimmick? Well you get to work it off and pay them back + pay your expenses while you are in. I would give them the option to liquidate their own assets to apply to the amount owed.

    Might not deter petty thefts much, but it could slow down some of those who "steal big".

    Most of the minor BS should be dis-chargeable via public service instead of fines that unfairly impact poor people, don't offer much deterrence to the well off, and seem mainly to be a revenue source for municipalities.

    Speeding ticket? Underage possession? Have money, or don't have money, spending 4 Saturdays picking up litter, cleaning floors, or whatever besides what you would prefer to be doing, is a decent deterrent against repeat offenses.
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    Private prisons hold less than 10% of the inmate population. This is an issue.. why?
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    it's hilarious that you clowns think that there will be a shortage of criminals once private prisons are scrapped

    just fukin LOL

    inb4 massive early releases of dangerous criminals back onto the streets

    i actually support prison reform, and think we should take a rehabilitation approach instead of punitive, but just LOL at jumping on the feel good wagon because of buzz words
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    Because there should be 0% of prisoners in private prisons.

    There are many many cases of corrupt judges getting kick backs for sending people to private prisons.

    For example https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsy...son%20sentence.

    A former Pennsylvania judge involved in a scheme to send children to a for-profit jail in exchange for kickbacks ...

    Conahan was sentenced in 2011 to 17½ years in prison for his role in what became known as the kids-for-cash scandal. The ex-Luzerne County judge pleaded guilty to a racketeering conspiracy charge for accepting a share of $2.8 million from the builder and co-owner of the for-profit detention center.

    Mark Ciavarella, the ex-juvenile court judge who sent thousands of children to the for-profit detention center, was convicted at trial and is serving a 28-year federal prison sentence.
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    Originally Posted by babyshark99 View Post
    You want to execute people for trying to have a better life? You’re a suck f*ck.
    Phaggots like you who are too scared to do what needs to be done are far more sick in the head.
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    They've stated (Booker last year) they want 1/2 of all prisoners released. What is wrong is when they get $200m to bail out "protesters" and a couple rapists/**** ers get mixed in, like MN. Incompetence or not, it's completely unacceptable.
    As far as Luke's list, want to significantly drop gun violence, make crimes w/guns life sentences, possible parole. Ultimately they don't want real solutions tho.
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    Private prisons need to go

    However I dont think crims are going to be sent to overcrowded government facilities and they wont build more prisons, they will just be released onto the streets.

    Hahahahahaha

    Higher taxes, more war, rising inflation and gas prices by killing the oil industry, opening the borders to immigrants despite massive unemployment, higher minimum wage to kill even more jobs all rounded off nicely with them releasing criminals onto the streets.

    Not even a week in
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    Originally Posted by MirinCanadian99 View Post
    It usually stems from a lack of knowledge on how prison works. These prisons offer more services then just "slave labor". They offer educational courses, rehabilitation and psychological assistance to those who need it. But because they challenge the State's monopoly they must go.
    Repped for quality post but now I have to disagree where appropriate.

    I knew Oklahoma had a few private prisons so it wouldn't be difficult to challenge the above. To my surprise, Oklahoma has reduced its private prison facilities to just two.

    These facilities have an incentive to imprison people.

    The two major players in the private corrections industry, The Geo Group and CoreCivic, have banked on similar business models since the early 1980s.

    Looking to cut costs and relieve overcrowding in public facilities, state and federal governments agree to pay the companies a fixed, daily rate per inmate. In exchange, the companies promise to provide inmates with adequate housing, food and medical care. The contracts typically specify that the state must maintain a certain occupancy level, usually between 80% and 100%.

    Criminal justice reform advocates have long decried the use of private prisons, saying that their for profit model causes them to cut corners on inmate programs and safety. Critics have also spoken out against the industry’s practice of lobbying political candidates. Private corrections companies have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Oklahoma politicians since 1994.

    Numerous academic and government funded studies support the claim that state facilities are better run than private prisons.

    A 2016 Department of Justice report found federal private persons were less effective than state-run facilities at reforming inmates and had a host of other problems, including high rates of inmate violence and security deficiencies.

    Oklahoma’s private prisons have their own problematic history.

    In September 2015, four Cimarron inmates died and several others were hospitalized in the deadliest prison fight in state history. Gang fights and persistent lockdowns have plagued the Lawton Correctional Facility for years.
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    Idk why i left out the obvious...that both Kamala and Joe have a history of reinforcing the PIC they now claim to be fixing. Kamala promoted the use of inmates as cheap firefighting labor for California, lmfao

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...JMG2PAijp1T3uc

    So good luck with fixing that for profit solution boyo
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    Originally Posted by p100 View Post
    Because there should be 0% of prisoners in private prisons.

    There are many many cases of corrupt judges getting kick backs for sending people to private prisons.

    For example https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsy...son%20sentence.
    Oh I’m aware of most (I believe) of the criticism along with benefits of privatized correctional institutions. Tied it in to a paper last semester.

    The larger issue is criminal justice reform, not govt vs private institutions. CJ reform is one of the most important tasks of our lifetime, and has the chance to improve society to an enormous degree.
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    That chick is a oughtful kunt man. She isn’t involved in CJ anymore so I hope she just stays out of it.
    Maybe you're not such a bad guy after all. Ending for-profit private prisons would be huge, I hope it happens.
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    Not sure how anyone can be against this
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    Pls respawn
    Because it should be 0%
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