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    Neither has Lamar or Kap, you frauding moron.

    inb4 LaMaR wOn MvP
    Uhhh that is EXACTLY something, meanwhile leading your team to the playoffs in every year you step on the field.... are you fukn stupid? The other 2 are rookies who didn't even achieve what Lamar did his rookie year.

    Kaep went to back to back NFC Championship games and was 10 yards away from a SB chip

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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post


    Neither of those QB's have won a damn thing in this league.
    They've showed the skills of elite level passers. Lamar has not
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    They've showed the skills of elite level passers. Lamar has not
    Meanwhile he just led the league in passing TDs while his career Quarter back rating is above 102. Stop talking football because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You don't need to be an elite level passer to win a SB to begin with anyway
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Uhhh that is EXACTLY something, meanwhile leading your team to the playoffs in every year you step on the field.... are you fukn stupid? The other 2 are rookies who didn't even achieve what Lamar did his rookie year.

    Kaep went to back to back NFC Championship games and was 10 yards away from a SB chip



    What did Lamar do that is so much better than Burrow and Herbert in their rookie year? Make the playoff? LOL. Congrats on using a team stat to downplay the two rookies already being better than Lamar and Kap.

    Oh, so Kap didn't win ****. Got it. Stick to making **** up about your life on this forum. Leave the football talk to people that know football.
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post


    Neither of those QB's have won a damn thing in this league.
    Herbert will win OROY and Burrow would have been right there with him.

    They're both rookies but they've both shown off high level passing skillsets.

    Lamar has a MVP award, but Herbert and Burrow might be right there with the best of them come year 2 or 3.

    Also:

    Lamar's first 7 games (rookie): 1200 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 84.5 rating.

    Herbert first 7 games (rookie): 2200 yards, 17 TD, 5 INT 108.5 rating.

    Burrow first 7 games (rookie): 2026 yards, 9 TD, 5 INT 87.4 rating.


    Burrow didn't impress on the stat sheet but Herbert impressed in both the eye test and on the stat sheet. It's kind of asinine to write off those 2 guys already.
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Meanwhile he just led the league in passing TDs while his career Quarter back rating is above 102. Stop talking football because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You don't need to be an elite level passer to win a SB to begin with anyway
    He lead the league in touchdown passes when the system was working by giving him easier open throws to make. LAst year was amazing. The issue is it was clearly a one year system thing and not his pure passing skills.

    He can only throw over the middle pretty much, outside the numbers he's too inconsistent with accuracy. if you cant admit this you're not even a fan. You gotta be honest
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    He lead the league in touchdown passes when the system was working by giving him easier open throws to make. LAst year was amazing. The issue is it was clearly a one year system thing and not his pure passing skills.

    He can only throw over the middle pretty much, outside the numbers he's too inconsistent with accuracy. if you cant admit this you're not even a fan. You gotta be honest
    And Rodgers just won the MVP this year after a change in scheme from the McCarthy era, where now he throws it to receivers who are open via the scheme rather than having to continually hope that WR's on the roster win on 1v1 matchups.

    Lamar is not a perfect QB. The only ones who are, are Rodgers and Mahomes. Everyone else HAS FLAWS in their game. If you are expecting Lamar to be a perfect QB then you're an idiot #1 and shouldn't be involved in this convo on reasonable takes in regards to Lamar.

    The issues ALWAYS is, he needs a new PASSING SCHEME (like Rodgers needed a new one as well) in order to alleviate the pressure that D-coordinators have adapted to the current iteration of the Ravens. If you honestly believe that every QB and coordinator aren't tweaking their schemes and continually adding new wrinkles based on their QB's strengths and weaknesses than you're an idiot. It's what every team in the NFL does, and those who can't get fired or their QB continues to carry them and never reach that next level that they should (Rodgers again with MM scheme).

    Brady has changed his game, and the O has changed their game about 6 different times over the course of his career to play to his strengths. This isn't revolutionary stuff here
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    And Rodgers just won the MVP this year after a change in scheme from the McCarthy era, where now he throws it to receivers who are open via the scheme rather than having to continually hope that WR's on the roster win on 1v1 matchups.

    Lamar is not a perfect QB. The only ones who are, are Rodgers and Mahomes. Everyone else HAS FLAWS in their game. If you are expecting Lamar to be a perfect QB then you're an idiot #1 and shouldn't be involved in this convo on reasonable takes in regards to Lamar.

    The issues ALWAYS is, he needs a new PASSING SCHEME (like Rodgers needed a new one as well) in order to alleviate the pressure that D-coordinators have adapted to the current iteration of the Ravens. If you honestly believe that every QB and coordinator aren't tweaking their schemes and continually adding new wrinkles based on their QB's strengths and weaknesses than you're an idiot. It's what every team in the NFL does, and those who can't get fired or their QB continues to carry them and never reach that next level that they should (Rodgers again with MM scheme).

    Brady has changed his game, and the O has changed their game about 6 different times over the course of his career to play to his strengths. This isn't revolutionary stuff here
    You should learn basic grammar before calling anyone an idiot.

    Rodgers is accurate. Lamar is not. Amazing that a cripple has to walk you through this.
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    Lol’d at Herbert and Burrow haven’t won’t anything in the league, what an idiot. It’s like arguing with a 12 year old fan boy.

    I guarantee everyone in the Ravens organization would trade Burrow off an ACL injury for Lamar straight up. They’d probably trade Lamar and a first round pick for Herbert.


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    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    Lol’d at Herbert and Burrow haven’t won’t anything in the league, what an idiot. It’s like arguing with a 12 year old fan boy.

    I guarantee everyone in the Ravens organization would trade Burrow off an ACL injury for Lamar straight up. They’d probably trade Lamar and a first round pick for Herbert.


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    Burrow >> Herbert
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    He thinks he knows football but it's obvious to everyone but him that he's an idiot.

    Burrow >> Herbert
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    Which one went to a better team? Both had success but Burrow's situation is much worse.
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    Which one went to a better team? Both had success but Burrow's situation is much worse.
    I think they both will be franchise QB’s for a long time, just think Herbert has a way better arm and Burrow is now coming off an ACL tear.

    I agree Herbert has better receivers, but at least Burrow didn’t have to deal with Lynn for a year.


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    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    I think they both will be franchise QB’s for a long time, just think Herbert has a way better arm and Burrow is now coming off an ACL tear.

    I agree Herbert has better receivers, but at least Burrow didn’t have to deal with Lynn for a year.


    I’m a lifelong Oregon Ducks fan/season ticket holder so I’m biased.
    Either way they’ll both have far better careers than Lamar. Along with mahomes, Allen, Watson. And possibly Lawrence.

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    Would you guys legitimately take Burrows/Herbert over Lamar for next season? That is such a bad opinion.
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    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    I think they both will be franchise QB’s for a long time, just think Herbert has a way better arm and Burrow is now coming off an ACL tear.

    I agree Herbert has better receivers, but at least Burrow didn’t have to deal with Lynn for a year.


    I’m a lifelong Oregon Ducks fan/season ticket holder so I’m biased.
    And Herbert didn't have to deal with Zac Taylor and the inept organization owned by cheap ass Mike Brown.

    And I'm a lifelong LSU fan so there will be absolutely no agreement between us. I'll say one thing, though. Burrow was the only QB in his draft class that had his rating go up when pressured.


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    Would you guys legitimately take Burrows/Herbert over Lamar for next season? That is such a bad opinion.
    Keeping everyone else on the Saints? Abso****inglutely.
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    And Rodgers just won the MVP this year after a change in scheme from the McCarthy era, where now he throws it to receivers who are open via the scheme rather than having to continually hope that WR's on the roster win on 1v1 matchups.

    Lamar is not a perfect QB. The only ones who are, are Rodgers and Mahomes. Everyone else HAS FLAWS in their game. If you are expecting Lamar to be a perfect QB then you're an idiot #1 and shouldn't be involved in this convo on reasonable takes in regards to Lamar.

    The issues ALWAYS is, he needs a new PASSING SCHEME (like Rodgers needed a new one as well) in order to alleviate the pressure that D-coordinators have adapted to the current iteration of the Ravens. If you honestly believe that every QB and coordinator aren't tweaking their schemes and continually adding new wrinkles based on their QB's strengths and weaknesses than you're an idiot. It's what every team in the NFL does, and those who can't get fired or their QB continues to carry them and never reach that next level that they should (Rodgers again with MM scheme).

    Brady has changed his game, and the O has changed their game about 6 different times over the course of his career to play to his strengths. This isn't revolutionary stuff here
    Rodgers arm talent is good enough that the problem will always be scheme if he's struggling. Lamars the exact opposite, he needs a perfect scheme that covers for his lack of passing ability.
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    Originally Posted by dyee4613 View Post
    Would you guys legitimately take Burrows/Herbert over Lamar for next season? That is such a bad opinion.
    Easily. Herbert wouldnt require the total overhaul of the offense around the running game. He can just drop back and sling.

    Lamar stans are in denial about this.
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    Rodgers arm talent is good enough that the problem will always be scheme if he's struggling. Lamars the exact opposite, he needs a perfect scheme that covers for his lack of passing ability.
    You don't need a perfect scheme to win in this league, thus why Lamar has been to 3 straight postseason trips. You need a perfect scheme NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE to win a SB, but Lamar has already proven he can win in the league with a subpar scheme. Your argument, and others ITT is asinine and easy to dismiss just at face value without even needing to go to next level stats.

    Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    You should learn basic grammar before calling anyone an idiot.

    Rodgers is accurate. Lamar is not. Amazing that a cripple has to walk you through this.
    Good to see that you and everyone else ITT can't counter that argument even a lil. Go drink some booze Luni, but don't drink and drive please

    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    Herbert will win OROY and Burrow would have been right there with him.

    They're both rookies but they've both shown off high level passing skillsets.

    Lamar has a MVP award, but Herbert and Burrow might be right there with the best of them come year 2 or 3.

    Also:

    Lamar's first 7 games (rookie): 1200 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 84.5 rating.

    Herbert first 7 games (rookie): 2200 yards, 17 TD, 5 INT 108.5 rating.

    Burrow first 7 games (rookie): 2026 yards, 9 TD, 5 INT 87.4 rating.


    Burrow didn't impress on the stat sheet but Herbert impressed in both the eye test and on the stat sheet. It's kind of asinine to write off those 2 guys already.
    Is it stats or wins? You guys continue to keep moving the goalposts every other post.
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    Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    And Herbert didn't have to deal with Zac Taylor and the inept organization owned by cheap ass Mike Brown.

    And I'm a lifelong LSU fan so there will be absolutely no agreement between us. I'll say one thing, though. Burrow was the only QB in his draft class that had his rating go up when pressured.


    Keeping everyone else on the Saints? Abso****inglutely.
    And herbert was the only QB in his draft class to break the rookie touchdown, yards, and completion record in 15 games.

    Didn’t get to see a lot of the bengals this year since I usually watch redzone in the AM. Who would’ve thunk hiring an offensive coordinator from a team whose coach calls the plays could be a bad idea?
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post


    Is it stats or wins? You guys continue to keep moving the goalposts every other post.
    Both. Lamar loses games and/or has bad stats when he's forced to pass. He's a qb that is only good when he doesn't have to pass.

    He has to get better fast
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post

    Is it stats or wins? You guys continue to keep moving the goalposts every other post.
    I was responding to you about whether Herbert or Burrow had won anything to note that Herbert has in fact won [will win] OROY, and that he had the best statistical season of any rookie QB in history. That's all. Just wanted to paint the picture since this has now shifted to Lamar versus Herbert versus Burrow and has shifted away from what Baltimore should do with Lamar

    Herbert and Burrow have the same number of Playoff wins that Lamar had at this stage in his career. Let's come back to this kind of discussion in 2 more years and see where it goes.

    I already posted in depth what I think Baltimore should do with and to help Lamar earlier ITT, I was just contributing the raw numbers to go along with the topic that shifted. I didn't shift the goalposts at all, someone else did and I just rolled with the topic since my post about what they should actually do just kind of got ignored.
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    but Lamar has already proven he can win in the league with a subpar scheme
    Put down the Kool Aid.

    No he hasn’t.

    He has proven that he can be a fantastic regular season Quarterback with a Scheme that is Tailer made specifically for his lack of polish.

    It’s literally created for him, and no other QB can be put in his place currently and run it.

    This is literally.... the best Scheme Lamar will ever play in.

    Everybody with an IQ above door knob knew the Window for a Super Bowl was very small... 1-3 Years max.

    Lamar isn’t good. He is a Running back with a strong arm but no touch or accuracy outside the hashes.

    Idiots like you need to stop blaming the system. It can’t be adjusted because Lamar can’t adjust. He is a one trick pony and the show is over.
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    he's a top 20 QB. about all you can say about him.
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