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    He's gonna get paid. if i was the ravens, i'd lock him down no question. he was exposed this year but not as bad as everyone's saying. def lost a lot of money this year tho.
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    OP hit the nail on the head...

    What's the going rate for a top tier RB these days?
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    Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    Yes, you're so good at trolling that you trolled everyone 3 years ahead of time until someone pulled your trap card

    Then you get exposed in the thread I linked just to post a bunch of gifs that you think shows everyone that you were trolling?
    Remember when you trolled everyone by drinking and driving? Man... you took that too far
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    Originally Posted by Miked1978 View Post
    That’s not a good way to compare. Lamar’s sample size is small while Rivers is sample size is huge. Lamar regressed a little this year too and that’s a little concerning.

    What happens when Lamar loses his legs and isn’t as fast? Do you think his passing numbers are going to get better? I dont.
    I'm not saying hes a better passer than Rivers, it just proves that saying "he can't throw" doesn't make any sense


    I'm not expecting Lamar to be elite into his 30s, but he just turned 24 this month and should have a 3-6 year window to win a Superbowl.

    Ravens should give him a huge, but backloaded contract to max the roster over than span
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    Some of you don't appreciate how bad the play calling is under Greg Roman. Multiple players have called it out but Kurt Warner did a great break down here;



    Absolute nonsense in there like lining up a 320 lbs Full back in the slot. Now clearly that's to give the formation credibility to utilise it in the run game. This lead to the best rushing attack of all time, but you need more balance against the best teams.

    Get Lamar a more balanced scheme with some more completixity in the passing game, and a decent WR1 and he can hit another gear yet
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    Remember when you trolled everyone by drinking and driving? Man... you took that too far
    You realizing how bad you look must be embarrassing. Imagine frauding on an online forum, being exposed, and having to think of such ****ty comebacks to deflect. Must've struck a nerve.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Some of you don't appreciate how bad the play calling is under Greg Roman. Multiple players have called it out but Kurt Warner did a great break down here;



    Absolute nonsense in there like lining up a 320 lbs Full back in the slot. Now clearly that's to give the formation credibility to utilise it in the run game. This lead to the best rushing attack of all time, but you need more balance against the best teams.

    Get Lamar a more balanced scheme with some more completixity in the passing game, and a decent WR1 and he can hit another gear yet
    Roman was a genius in Lamars first outings according to everyone.

    I didn’t hear a single person critiquing Roman until Lamar struggled this year.

    You can’t add complexity to the passing game because Lamar can’t be that guy, he’s not good enough.

    Next year he will probably struggle even more and wel keep blaming Roman... when reality is teams adjust and the gimmick is ending.

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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post

    You can’t add complexity to the passing game because Lamar can’t be that guy, he’s not good enough.
    Lamar cant be what exactly? He will never be an elite pure pocket passer, nor should he try to be. His anticipation of defenses, speed of going through reads etc arent at that level and that wont change

    He still has a good arm and can make any type of throw, and thats enough to hit solid passing stats by virtue of how a defense has to react to his running skillset. Roman just needs to balance the offense more, trust Lamar and allow him to be the playmaker.

    Im not talking a pass heavy spread offense, just some more RPO, quick passes, screens, play action etc to keep the defense honest and not allow teams to have success completely selling out on to run
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    If you've even watched 10 min of Ravens football, which I'm questioning if you have since you know next to NOTHING about your own team, you'd see that he has progressed consistently every year. This year his O-line was ravaged by injury and the center position was specifically terrible. He has nothing on the outside that can help progress his passing, and if he does get that then I don't think it'll be all that surprising to see a more balanced attack. See Josh Allen and how Diggs helped him
    From 2019-2020

    Yards? Decrease
    Completion Percentage? Decrease
    Touchdowns? Decrease
    Interceptions? Increase
    Passer Rating? Decrease
    Yards/Attempt? Decrease
    Yards/Completion? Decrease
    Sacks Taken? Increase

    Literally not one single stat even stayed on the same level in year over year production. Inconsistency is a big factor in length of contract and salary. Hence why I suggested Baltimore is better off going with a 3-4year extension in lieu of a 7 year contract, something like Tannehill's contract.

    As I've said before (and literally hinted at in the post you fukking quoted you loser) a lot of this can be attributed to them not building correctly around him, but there was a noticeable drop off in his passing ability and decision making this year. A lot of that had to do with losing the ability to run out of 3 TE sets (which management did to themselves by letting Hurst go and not replacing him at all), a lot of it had to do with no WRs (which was the same as 2019), and a lot of it had to do with abysmal play by his interior linemen (C being the worst but Stanley going down was a huge factor as well).

    I think what would be smart of Baltimore, personally, would be no giving Jackson a big pay-day yet and instead showing him their investment in him by giving him the right supporting cast. Bring in Allen Robinson or Corey Davis or Golladay or even AJ Green at the very least. Either draft a C or somehow bring in a Center because dealing with HORRID snaps all game is never a key to success. And get back to your bread and butter and bring in another receiving TE (while keeping Boyle who is your main blocker). And absolutely bring back Gus Edwards.

    Give Jackson a reasonable extension while bringing in some talent around him and evaluate him after you put him in a real situation to exceed.

    It's honestly hard to evaluate the kid seriously and properly because his supporting cast would be hard for anyone to have real "QB" success with. The kid can win, no doubt, but is he really the QB of the future or is he just the next Can Newton, who was always a really good player but never quite panned out to winning the big game.

    Inb4 you start talking about Joe Flacco again for some reason.
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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post
    Roman was a genius in Lamars first outings according to everyone.
    I was about to post this. Hilarious how Roman was given so much credit last year catering the offense to Lamar and now he’s the scapegoat for Lamar’s struggles.
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    Originally Posted by Blasting View Post
    I was about to post this. Hilarious how Roman was given so much credit last year catering the offense to Lamar and now he’s the scapegoat for Lamar’s struggles.
    He did lead the Ravens to the greatest rushing yard total of all time, while Lamar got an MVP but it was pretty clear it was always flawed in the passing schemes
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    He did lead the Ravens to the greatest rushing yard total of all time, while Lamar got an MVP but it was pretty clear it was always flawed in the passing schemes
    Or maybe it’s the QB who is flawed.
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    A 23 yo QB who's already won an MVP is going to get paid
    This, and there is barely a debate.
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    He should get some kind of bridge, prove it deal. He hasnt show he's an elite QB and would be risky as hell to invest like he has
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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post
    Roman was a genius in Lamars first outings according to everyone.

    I didn’t hear a single person critiquing Roman until Lamar struggled this year.

    You can’t add complexity to the passing game because Lamar can’t be that guy, he’s not good enough.

    Next year he will probably struggle even more and wel keep blaming Roman... when reality is teams adjust and the gimmick is ending.

    Homie needs to vastly improve his skills.
    this

    last year everyone was calling roman a genius and tapping him as a future head coach.

    Now, he gets the blame. Which is it?

    And if ROman cant figure out how to make Lamar look good anymore, who the hell can? He's the guy with the most success with these types of qbs
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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post
    Roman was a genius in Lamars first outings according to everyone.

    I didn’t hear a single person critiquing Roman until Lamar struggled this year.

    You can’t add complexity to the passing game because Lamar can’t be that guy, he’s not good enough.

    Next year he will probably struggle even more and wel keep blaming Roman... when reality is teams adjust and the gimmick is ending.

    Homie needs to vastly improve his skills.
    The Roman story is pretty much what happened in SF, too. There is a gimmick factor to it. However, to pretend like losing a HOF guard isn't a HUGE reason for the decline is kinda short-sighted.
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    this

    last year everyone was calling roman a genius and tapping him as a future head coach.

    Now, he gets the blame. Which is it?

    And if ROman cant figure out how to make Lamar look good anymore, who the hell can? He's the guy with the most success with these types of qbs

    No. Everyone who actually watched Romans offense over his career knew this would happen, he has a HISTORY of not being able to adjust. This isn't new, ask any 49ers fan out there. We had already seen it with Kaep. Some of y'all are REALLY showing your lack of NFL knowledge and listen to much to these shows like "First Take" and "Undisputed"
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    No. Everyone who actually watched Romans offense over his career knew this would happen, he has a HISTORY of not being able to adjust. This isn't new, ask any 49ers fan out there. We had already seen it with Kaep. Some of y'all are REALLY showing your lack of NFL knowledge and listen to much to these shows like "First Take" and "Undisputed"
    It’s the opposite of a lack of knowledge. It’s understanding that it’s not the coach’s fault. People have been ripping the offensive coaches in Seattle forever, especially Seattle fans. Russell Wilson has still thrived. A good QB can mask poor coaching more so than a good coach can mask poor QB play.

    Kaepernick’s failures weren’t due to Roman. It was on Kap. He had a mindset of proving people wrong that he was a gimmick and he quit running as much. And he never got better as a passer, and it showed. Also, reports were that he wasn’t a hard worker.

    Roman can help a running QB thrive early but it’s up to the QB to advance as a passer. Because the league can figure out how to slow down the running part. The league can’t stop a great passer. Kap wasn’t a great passer and Lamar isn’t as of now.
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    He'll get the max, just cause he's entertaining af and is still a great regular season QB. He's just wayyy too exploitable in the playoffs to ever think he's gonna win tho
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    No. Everyone who actually watched Romans offense over his career knew this would happen, he has a HISTORY of not being able to adjust. This isn't new, ask any 49ers fan out there. We had already seen it with Kaep. Some of y'all are REALLY showing your lack of NFL knowledge and listen to much to these shows like "First Take" and "Undisputed"

    Kaep didnt hack it after roman dude. Once the system failed he failed. Same with Tyrod, Romans other experiment that worked for a little.
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    How have I been exposed for frauding lmao

    3 straight years in the playoffs, MVP, multiple NFL records, gets 102 passer rating, 3.77 TD to INT ratio, averaging 31 Passing TD across his 2 starting seasons (stole from above).... please go sit down somewhere
    And 3 straight first round exits. He is a terrible QB.
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    Originally Posted by DeshaunWatson View Post
    And 3 straight first round exits. He is a terrible QB.
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    Originally Posted by DeshaunWatson View Post
    And 3 straight first round exits. He is a terrible QB.
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    Kaep didnt hack it after roman dude. Once the system failed he failed. Same with Tyrod, Romans other experiment that worked for a little.
    Injuries and improper system. I think Kap would have succeeded in a Mcvay or MLF system.
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Injuries and improper system. I think Kap would have succeeded in a Mcvay or MLF system.
    We'll never know with Kaep, but if you're baltimore why invest in a QB who needs some perfect system if you can find QBs who dont. It might be a constant cycle of this crap, when the better solution is just to find a great QB who can function better in a more standard system.

    Not that its easy to find a QB, but when you hit you hit. Justin Herbert and Burrow are comfortably franchise QBs cause you dont have to worry 'the system will fail'. they arent dependent on a system, they're just good
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Injuries and improper system. I think Kap would have succeeded in a Mcvay or MLF system.
    I doubt it. Rodgers is the only elite QB to run this system. Kaep wasn't elite
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    Originally Posted by AMeyer9 View Post
    I doubt it. Rodgers is the only elite QB to run this system. Kaep wasn't elite
    The misdirection and scheming the WRs open is exactly what would have worked with Kap and proper weapons. We saw what happened to the Packers in back to back playoff games. Goff got to a SB in this system, I think that Kaep is immensely more talented than Goff and could have replicated it

    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    We'll never know with Kaep, but if you're baltimore why invest in a QB who needs some perfect system if you can find QBs who dont. It might be a constant cycle of this crap, when the better solution is just to find a great QB who can function better in a more standard system.

    Not that its easy to find a QB, but when you hit you hit. Justin Herbert and Burrow are comfortably franchise QBs cause you dont have to worry 'the system will fail'. they arent dependent on a system, they're just good
    Neither of those QB's have won a damn thing in this league.
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    The misdirection and scheming the WRs open is exactly what would have worked with Kap and proper weapons. We saw what happened to the Packers in back to back playoff games. Goff got to a SB in this system, I think that Kaep is immensely more talented than Goff and could have replicated it



    Neither of those QB's have won a damn thing in this league.
    Neither has Lamar or Kap, you frauding moron.

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