Has there been a more overrated QB over the past 15 years than Philip Rivers?

[AlBHappy]

Rivers is not a hall of famer. Always played just well enough to lose. Stats were compiled in garbage time down 17 in the 3rd quarter running no huddle. Never won a thing.

He was a MUCH better player than Eli Manning, but Eli has 2 rings and the Manning mafia and the NY media on his side so he's going to unfortunately get in.

Matthew Stafford is the NFC version with a better arm.

[AMeyer9]

Stafford is a victim of his organization. He's way better than Rivers

[wildchild11]

[DynamicDot]

Isn't Cowherd a Chargers fan? I mean I literally was like 5 rows behind him when I went to a Chargers game 2 years ago lol.

[Phil9]

Farewell Philip Rivers. Now you can stay home and start a family.














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[Phil9]

Rivers is not a hall of famer. Always played just well enough to lose. Stats were compiled in garbage time down 17 in the 3rd quarter running no huddle. Never won a thing.

He was a MUCH better player than Eli Manning, but Eli has 2 rings and the Manning mafia and the NY media on his side so he's going to unfortunately get in.

Matthew Stafford is the NFC version with a better arm.

The guy who is 5th on the all-time Passing TD/passing yards list and made 8 pro bowls shouldn’t be in the HOF?


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[JPG13]

If Rivers is HOF, then so is:

Ryan
Romo
Carson Palmer


Fukk it, might as well throw Jay Cutty in the mix too

Raise your HOF standards

[Lunatic]

All 4 of these Qbs have something in common that Rivers doesn't

Ryan doesn't have a ring. What're you referring to?

[Lunatic]

Rivers is not a hall of famer. Always played just well enough to lose. Stats were compiled in garbage time down 17 in the 3rd quarter running no huddle. Never won a thing.

He was a MUCH better player than Eli Manning, but Eli has 2 rings and the Manning mafia and the NY media on his side so he's going to unfortunately get in.

Matthew Stafford is the NFC version with a better arm.

A ring shouldn't be a requirement for getting in the HOF, even at QB. That's a team thing, not single person.

[Murph0408]

If Rivers is HOF, then so is:

Ryan
Romo
Carson Palmer


Fukk it, might as well throw Jay Cutty in the mix too

Raise your HOF standards

Jay didn't compile enough. one of my favorite players but have to be objective here.

Ryan is a good comparison. another one where he was really never that dominant but he's hung around and put the stats together over a long period of time.

Tony was as skilled as anybody and i wish i could go with this argument for him but it's not happening. if he didn't get hurt in '15 he'd probably either still be playing or wrapping it up shortly. with how good the cowboy line has been the last 5 years one could argue he would've finished VERY strong. his '14 season was tremendous.

Carson was a similar player but again, compiling, Rivers blows him away.

frankly none of these guys should get in, including rivers. with football IMO you have to be absolutely dominant. the baseball HOF rewards compiling more. rivers played in an era with several QBs who you'd take any day over him. they're the HOF'ers and he's not.

[HotCheetos]

Not sure how I feel about him getting into the HOF. Part of me thinks he should for being good for so long, part of me thinks not because of many of the reasons listed in here already

[Lunatic]

Flacco? Ryan? Eli? Brees?

You're retarded.

I would respond to JayDawg, but I already said in another thread I will not interact with him anymore, because he has that virgin school shooter vibe.

Jaydawg is retarded, but he's right. Rivers isn't HOF worthy.

Rivers>>>>>>>>Ryan, Eli, Ben, Brees


You cucks wouldn’t begin to understand the chit Rivers had to deal with.

Brb no home field advantage
Brb the best WR he ever played with was Vincent Jackson who they let go in his prime
Brb chit coach after chit coach, who the fuk is gonna win anything with Norv Turner, Mike McCoy, Anthony Lynn??
Brb the chargers were cursed with injuries, from 11-17 led the nfl in IR
Brb horrible pass blocking and special teams on a yearly basis.

Brees got benched on those same chargers team. And never put up those monster numbers until he got with Payton

Rivers and Peyton are the only two QBs that actually called their own plays. Rivers also was a gunslinging beast not a dink and dunk cuck


Respect Beast Rivers

Your retardation truly is astounding. Brees is one of the best to ever play QB. Rivers clearly isn't, but I know you're too stupid to understand that. You really don't know **** about football.

Wow I am pretty surprised it was a unanimous yes. I want him to make the HOF, but I just don't expect him to based on the criteria.

Guess we'll see. I don't think any of the QBs in 2004 will be first ballot though.

He probably will make it later on but he shouldn't.

[JMath]

No he isn't. He's in the Hall of Very Good. The HOF should be reserved for the Rodgers, Brees, Brady level.

Like it or not (I personally hate it) the Hall of Fame pretty much is the Hall of Very Good. I think the HOF should be reserved for people who did incredible things during their career. Brady has the rings. Brees has a lot of records. Peyton has plenty of records. I wouldn't put Big Ben in, Rivers, Eli.

Maybe I just have a weird criteria. I guess I see the HOF as people who really helped define the sport, or could be considered one of the greatest at their position. Now it just seems like the criteria is 1) have a couple noteworthy accomplishments 2) be very talented.

[Lunatic]

Like it or not (I personally hate it) the Hall of Fame pretty much is the Hall of Very Good. I think the HOF should be reserved for people who did incredible things during their career. Brady has the rings. Brees has a lot of records. Peyton has plenty of records. I wouldn't put Big Ben in, Rivers, Eli.

Maybe I just have a weird criteria. I guess I see the HOF as people who really helped define the sport, or could be considered one of the greatest at their position. Now it just seems like the criteria is 1) have a couple noteworthy accomplishments 2) be very talented.

It absolutely should be the greatest of their positions. They let too many ****ing people vote that've never played aports.

[Swept]

You're retarded.

Jaydawg is retarded, but he's right. Rivers isn't HOF worthy.



Your retardation truly is astounding. Brees is one of the best to ever play QB. Rivers clearly isn't, but I know you're too stupid to understand that. You really don't know **** about football.

He probably will make it later on but he shouldn't.

Brees is so great Rivers took his job and was ten time more successful in SD.

Brees is a product of Payton. And your a crippled cuck, got get that dick pump ready

[Lunatic]

Brees is so great Rivers took his job and was ten time more successful in SD.

Brees is a product of Payton. And your a crippled cuck, got get that dick pump ready

And Brees is an all time great and Rivers isn't. I understand why you refuse to give him credit, with your being a Panther fan and all, but even your certifiably retarded ass should be able to recognize a great when you see one.

Yes, my a crippled cuck and I'm going to got get that dick pump ready.

You still learning how to read and write?

[Swept]

And Brees is an all time great and Rivers isn't. I understand why you refuse to give him credit, with your being a Panther fan and all, but even your certifiably retarded ass should be able to recognize a great when you see one.

Yes, my a crippled cuck and I'm going to got get that dick pump ready.

You still learning how to read and write?

Brees is a product of a great system, you just don’t understand football. Before Sean Payton Brees was benched for a 40 year old Flutie, never threw for 4000 yards, never threw more than 27 TD than a season, never completed more 65% of his passes and had one season more than 10 wins.

Meanwhile with the same coach calling plays Rivers was throwing over 4000 yards and 30 TD on a constant basis and had a better record than Brees. Now imagine Rivers with Payton


Like I said get that dick pump ready the cuck porn is firing up you miserable crippled cuck.

[Lunatic]

Brees is a product of a great system, you just don’t understand football. Before Sean Payton Brees was benched for a 40 year old Flutie, never threw for 4000 yards, never threw more than 27 TD than a season, never completed more 65% of his passes and had one season more than 10 wins.

Meanwhile with the same coach calling plays Rivers was throwing over 4000 yards and 30 TD on a constant basis and had a better record than Brees. Now imagine Rivers with Payton


Like I said get that dick pump ready the cuck porn is firing up you miserable crippled cuck.

Congratulations on not knowing that every player is a product of a system and using hypotheticals without mentioning Brees' shoulder injury before coming to New Orleans.

You one of those idiots that insults people by using terms describing yourself. You call people cucks, while thinking it's actually a good insult, enough that it's obvious it's on your mind constantly.

And what's with you and dick pumps?

[deepfat]

The dude had Norv Turner and Anthony Lynn as head coaches. Cut him some slack.

[Swept]

Congratulations on not knowing that every player is a product of a system and using hypotheticals without mentioning Brees' shoulder injury before coming to New Orleans.

You one of those idiots that insults people by using terms describing yourself. You call people cucks, while thinking it's actually a good insult, enough that it's obvious it's on your mind constantly.

And what's with you and dick pumps?

What system was Rivers a product of? He produced under three different play callers. Wtf does Brees shoulder injury have to do with anything? He got injured after he was benched and they drafted Rivers. You seriously don’t know chit about football

I call you a cuck cause that’s exactly what you are, and hits a nerve every time

Lmao

[BishsBMirin]

Congratulations on not knowing that every player is a product of a system

I wouldn't waste your time trying to explain this to people. It is just an excuse they will always hang on to. Offenses revolve around the QB. Every QB is a product of their own system. In fact, every system is literally that QB's system, put in place by the offensive coordinator/head coach. It is not a coordinator/head coach's job to change the QB to fit their system. Some coaches will work with QB's on their delivery, mechanics, etc. But it is the coordinator/coach's job to create a productive, efficient and successful offensive scheme that revolves around the skill sets of the offensive players, starting with the QB. The GM/President/Coach (whoever for that specific team), draft players based off of their skillset and how it can be applied to the offense in place (which again, revolves around the QB). Common sense says this is why teams are always trying to find the next franchise QB. That is where the system starts and that is what you build around. The longer the QB is there, the more you can build around him which creates more stability, predictability, etc. When a team drafts a QB that they plan on starting, that is where the system starts and that is what the coaches build around. It blows my mind some people don't understand this and still call players "system" players. You think the Ravens front office would bring in a coordinator/coach who used an air raid offense in college and let him change the entire Ravens offense to throw the ball 45 times a game and abandon the run while also not having a good WR core? No, they hire someone they trust to take what they have and make it successful. I am a Steelers fan and look what happened this year. They had to create and entire new offense to revolve around Ben not being able to throw anymore. The system started with Ben. All this talk about Brady being a "system" QB well why in the fukk didn't Cam step in and use that same system instead of McDaniels having to create an entire new scheme to fit Cam's skillset? There is no such thing as a system QB and anyone that has played football at a high level (or even high school) knows this.

Also, if anyone uses hypotheticals to say "QB A would do better than QB B if they had QB B's system their whole career" they are literally retarded.





Rant over. I'm sick and going back to bed. You dipchits can debate about this.

[Miked1978]

I wouldn't waste your time trying to explain this to people. It is just an excuse they will always hang on to. Offenses revolve around the QB. Every QB is a product of their own system. In fact, every system is literally that QB's system, put in place by the offensive coordinator/head coach. It is not a coordinator/head coach's job to change the QB to fit their system. Some coaches will work with QB's on their delivery, mechanics, etc. But it is the coordinator/coach's job to create a productive, efficient and successful offensive scheme that revolves around the skill sets of the offensive players, starting with the QB. The GM/President/Coach (whoever for that specific team), draft players based off of their skillset and how it can be applied to the offense in place (which again, revolves around the QB). Common sense says this is why teams are always trying to find the next franchise QB. That is where the system starts and that is what you build around. The longer the QB is there, the more you can build around him which creates more stability, predictability, etc. When a team drafts a QB that they plan on starting, that is where the system starts and that is what the coaches build around. It blows my mind some people don't understand this and still call players "system" players. You think the Ravens front office would bring in a coordinator/coach who used an air raid offense in college and let him change the entire Ravens offense to throw the ball 45 times a game and abandon the run while also not having a good WR core? No, they hire someone they trust to take what they have and make it successful. I am a Steelers fan and look what happened this year. They had to create and entire new offense to revolve around Ben not being able to throw anymore. The system started with Ben. All this talk about Brady being a "system" QB well why in the fukk didn't Cam step in and use that same system instead of McDaniels having to create an entire new scheme to fit Cam's skillset? There is no such thing as a system QB and anyone that has played football at a high level (or even high school) knows this.

Also, if anyone uses hypotheticals to say "QB A would do better than QB B if they had QB B's system their whole career" they are literally retarded.





Rant over. I'm sick and going back to bed. You dipchits can debate about this.

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IMO i think Rivers is borderline HOF. Maybe one of those guys who gets in 20 years from now.

[AlBHappy]

The guy who is 5th on the all-time Passing TD/passing yards list and made 8 pro bowls shouldn’t be in the HOF?


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1. Passing yards and TD's compiled in garbage time. Thanks for making my point.
2. 8 Pro Bowls because winning QB's like Peyton, TB12, Big Ben are playing deep in the playoffs while Phillip reached 1 AFC championship game.

A ring shouldn't be a requirement for getting in the HOF, even at QB. That's a team thing, not single person.

I, 100% agree with you. Dan Marino is a top 5 guy in my opinion. I also don't think Eli is a Hall of Famer. But Rivers never made anyone around him better. His best team had LT, Gates, Merriman, Cormartie, they were loaded. And laid an egg at home vs. the Patriots.

[AMeyer9]

Is Swept mbison's older sock account? Holy autism

[thatsnarf]

Meanwhile with the same coach calling plays Rivers was throwing over 4000 yards and 30 TD on a constant basis and had a better record than Brees. Now imagine Rivers with Payton

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[JStrez]

Rivers and Brees are not overrated, by any stretch of the imagination.

Most overrated QB I've seen is probably Eli and Flacco, but both won Super Bowls with ridiculous defenses.

RN the most overrated QB is Jimmy G.

[AMeyer9]

Rivers and Brees are not overrated, by any stretch of the imagination.

Most overrated QB I've seen is probably Eli and Flacco, but both won Super Bowls with ridiculous defenses.

RN the most overrated QB is Jimmy G.

No one even rates Jimmy G highly though...

[AlBHappy]

No one even rates Jimmy G highly though...

Agreed. He's kind of gross to watch. I rarely see him step into throws.

Brees isn't overrated, though you could subtract points for throwing on every down like they used to do before Kamara and playing indoors.

Overrated:
Dak All those weapons, I'd hope he would decent
Stafford Surrounded by mediocrity but isn't a gamechanger
Ryan Typical Boston College choke artist
Rivers Always plays just well enough to lose

[thatsnarf]

Rivers Always plays just well enough to lose

truth bomb

[Swept]

Is Swept mbison's older sock account? Holy autism

Refute anything I said that was wrong fuking phaggot


Here’s a hint you can’t

1. Passing yards and TD's compiled in garbage time. Thanks for making my point.
2. 8 Pro Bowls because winning QB's like Peyton, TB12, Big Ben are playing deep in the playoffs while Phillip reached 1 AFC championship game.



I, 100% agree with you. Dan Marino is a top 5 guy in my opinion. I also don't think Eli is a Hall of Famer. But Rivers never made anyone around him better. His best team had LT, Gates, Merriman, Cormartie, they were loaded. And laid an egg at home vs. the Patriots.

Rivers made one pro bowl as an alternate......

He played with LT for 4 season and the last two he was completely washed.