Lol @ how even "honest" bodybuilders still lie about the extent of their usage

[RedInsectNProud]

Admitting usage is one, admitting the extent of your usage is another thing entirely

People like lee priest and dorian yates out here trying to convince people they didn't slam a monumental amount of celltech and that their bodies were built with sweat, tears and god given genetics

Lee priest on record saying at his peak he was on just 1g... just lmaoooooooooo

Bostin loyd is the only one in the industry who was completely transparent about it, and he got lambasted for it

[calumscotland]

Admitting usage is one, admitting the extent of your usage is another thing entirely

People like lee priest and dorian yates out here trying to convince people they didn't slam a monumental amount of celltech and that their bodies were built with sweat, tears and god given genetics

Lee priest on record saying at his peak he was on just 1g... just lmaoooooooooo

Bostin loyd is the only one in the industry who was completely transparent about it, and he got lambasted for it

heard dorian talk about how much he used i dont think he downplays it

[Hector002]

Fitness industry is ****ing garbage I have no idea why people bother keeping up with it.

[Sevenlionz]

I’m not saying this is for everyone because I don’t know everyone, but I have met some legit ifbb pros and even trained with an Olympia competitor before and tbh man the genetics these dudes have could make it possible. I knew exactly what this Olympia guy was on and his buddy was taking way more than him and looked MUCH worse. Yes some people will want to lie about the extent to make themselves look better but others don’t gaf srs and genetics play such a huge role.

[TomWanks]

Heard one of the bike-ridingest PTs in my gym telling his DYEL twink client that the secret to getting big was 'just eat 3x as much as usual bro.'

People just don't know chit about how effective bb.com sups are and no one wants to admit how hilariously easy bike riding makes getting a mogmaxxer physique because it diminishes their own sense of pride and accomplishment.

Also, just lmfao @ the fitness industry in general srs.

[propreffered7]

tons of studies have concluded:

-taking and not lifting = double the LBM of natties working out
-taking and lifting = 3X the LBM

the real kicker is the "myonuclei" that they get from it, never goes away. so even when they're off they'll have more strength than they would have

[Jestbrah]

genetics do way more than any dosage of oj does

theres SO many factors that go into it

There are diminishing returns for most people with oj past a certain point, usually 1g

theres also interference when you go above 1g total of multiple oj's like 800mg oj and 800 mg applejuice you may only be utilizing 600 oj and 400 applejuice whereas if you took 1g oj you may utilize the whole oj.

Also receptor cites are different for everyone, 200g to one person is the same as 1200g for another.

Theres just a lot more to it so listening to what one person said he used and then idiots thinking 'okay to look like him then I need to do the same" is why they dont say it.

If Kai greene comes out and says he used 2g oj and 1g applejuice then guarantee 90% of people will then think they need to do that to look like kai greene and ignore his genetics, his level of muscle, his time of usage, his own genetic response to oj, etc. etc..

[Nonsense916]

Boston Lloyd is not a good example he has chit genetics and needed a lot of help

[Km2019]

Lol, there is no upside whatsoever to admitting your usage.

[Jestbrah]

tons of studies have concluded:

-taking and not lifting = double the LBM of natties working out
-taking and lifting = 3X the LBM

the real kicker is the "myonuclei" that they get from it, never goes away. so even when they're off they'll have more strength than they would have

this is fukking stupid, I know plenty of people who are on too much and have gained maybe 5lbs of lean muscle in 2 years whereas natty guys have put on 10. It is WAY more complex than "herp derp being on gear and not lifting is better than natty and lifting"

[Polaris]

heard dorian talk about how much he used i dont think he downplays it

Yeah, Dorian's claimed amounts didn't sound that unbelievable (with good genetics) - though granted, I'm not exactly an expert and have never used myself.

Lee Priest's claims seem pretty damn ridiculous. MAYBE he really is just that much of a genetic freak though.

[RedInsectNProud]

Yeah, Dorian's claimed amounts didn't sound that unbelievable (with good genetics) - though granted, I'm not exactly an expert and have never used myself.

Lee Priest's claims seem pretty damn ridiculous. MAYBE he really is just that much of a genetic freak though.

Can't remember the interview, but he claimed very conservative amounts for a pro bodybuilder

Genetics and response will get one so far

If someone looks like a science experiment gone wrong then that's probably the case in almost all circumstances

[propreffered7]

this is fukking stupid, I know plenty of people who are on too much and have gained maybe 5lbs of lean muscle in 2 years whereas natty guys have put on 10. It is WAY more complex than "herp derp being on gear and not lifting is better than natty and lifting"

i've seen tons of studies saying the same thing. one harvard too. i can't be fuked to look at them all, so here's one that is exactly what im talking about. 4 groups, 2 on, 2 off with or without exercise.

Body weight did not change significantly in the men in either placebo group (Table 4). The men given testosterone without exercise had a significant mean increase in total body weight, and those in the testosterone-plus-exercise group had an average increase of 6.1 kg in body weight — a greater increase than in the other three groups.


Fat-free mass did not change significantly in the group assigned to placebo but no exercise (Table 4 and Figure 1). The men treated with testosterone but no exercise had an increase of 3.2 kg in fat-free mass, and those in the placebo-plus-exercise group had an increase of 1.9 kg. The increase in the testosterone-plus-exercise group was substantially greater (averaging 6.1 kg). The percentage of body fat did not change significantly in any group (data not shown)

The exercise was standardized in all the men, and therefore the effects of testosterone on muscle size and strength cannot be attributed to more intense training in the groups receiving the treatment

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...99607043350101

like i said, i've seen numerous suggesting the same

[BeginnerGainz]

*Mike O’Hearn has entered the chat*

[northernlights7]

You think Arnold and the boys from the 70's golden era were totally honest about it, either? Because I would seriously doubt it. Obviously they didn't use nearly as much as the mass monster freak shows that started showing up in the 90's, but I've always refused to believe anyone would look like a prime 70's - 80's Arnold with nothing but genetics, diet and "hard work". He'd have looked amazing either way of course, but it wouldn't have been the same without some OJ mixed in as well.

[RedInsectNProud]

You think Arnold and the boys from the 70's golden era were totally honest about it, either? Because I would seriously doubt it.

They slammed large quantities of test, deca and dbol I have no doubt

cumulatively prolly not as much as todays guys and without the addition of growth hormone and insulin

[JoeDelts]

You think Arnold and the boys from the 70's golden era were totally honest about it, either? Because I would seriously doubt it.

“I learned to use the drugs in the final six or eight weeks leading up to a major competition,” wrote Schwarzenegger. “They could help you win, but the advantage they gave was about the same as having a good suntan.”

Seems legit

[anonymous]

heard dorian talk about how much he used i dont think he downplays it

He absolutely does

They're all liars, it's like expecting women to be honest about how many dicks they sucked

They slammed large quantities of test, deca and dbol I have no doubt

cumulatively prolly not as much as todays guys and without the addition of growth hormone and insulin

Peter Grymkowski disagrees

[Kay4Kool]

Yeah and?

You're a grown man. Don't idolize someone who gets up on stage in a thong.

[DrugsToGetBig]

they have to tell half truths man. if they were truly honest we'd have a bunch of idiots copycatting and they'd all end up dead or severely compromising their health

[RedInsectNProud]

they have to tell half truths man. if they were truly honest we'd have a bunch of idiots copycatting and they'd all end up dead or severely compromising their health

that's not why they do it tho lol

[DrugsToGetBig]

that's not why they do it tho lol

its all ego which doesnt even bother me its the ones who decide to lie and say theyre natty

[umadbroski]

tons of studies have concluded:

-taking and not lifting = double the LBM of natties working out
-taking and lifting = 3X the LBM

the real kicker is the "myonuclei" that they get from it, never goes away. so even when they're off they'll have more strength than they would have

that is incorrect.

The study you are referencing is flawed.

[calumscotland]

threads like this make me miss rich piana and his no bullchit talk

[WantToBeLeaf]

I'm almost done reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's autobiography. It's a pretty detailed book that covers everything pretty good in his life, except his bike riding. He briefly mentions it, but I really would've liked insight into exactly what he was taking, the dosages, and when. He's one of those dudes who's pretty public now (posts on Reddit, is on social media, etc.), so I get why he wanted to whitewash that part of his career.

[RedInsectNProud]

threads like this make me miss rich piana and his no bullchit talk

rich piana honest

just lmaoooooo

"bit of pmma in muh right bicep to fix a tear, that's why they both have the consistency of jelly when i flex em"

[northernlights7]

They slammed large quantities of test, deca and dbol I have no doubt

cumulatively prolly not as much as todays guys and without the addition of growth hormone and insulin

It's insane how much a little OJ can do, though. It won't make someone a beast just by taking it and rotting on the couch to video games and pron 24/7, but chit if it doesn't help among training individuals.

One of my longtime best m8's IRL is literally the same height, roughly the same build, and same age as me. I'll never forget when he got into lifting for a couple years. I was coming back from a year off after high school ended, and was doing pretty well - that 275lb x 2 bench range. All the sudden, dude started blowing up after just a few months of eating like a pig and lifting, and he threw up 300 on flat no problem. He started slacking and not giving a chit after that while I continued and eventually far surprassed anything he had done before he quit.

But, I finally asked him to be honest with me one day, well after the fact. I asked him how the hell he progressed so much faster than I did in those months even though I was busting my asss about as hard as one could physically at the time (tons of quality eating and sleep, too). Dude finally admitted to popping oral oj for a few months when he was sort of competing between the two of us before he got bored with lifting. Dude went back to not being able to even bench 225 for 5 within 5 years of stopping the oj and serious lifting. It was then that I began to fully appreciate the massive difference even a little oj can make in progress under otherwise fairly equal conditions.

[Jestbrah]

i've seen tons of studies saying the same thing. one harvard too. i can't be fuked to look at them all, so here's one that is exactly what im talking about. 4 groups, 2 on, 2 off with or without exercise.





https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...99607043350101

like i said, i've seen numerous suggesting the same

those numbers are so low and can mean so many things, seriously 3lbs vs 7lbs could literally be intracellular water in the muscle cells. Also who were the subjects? take a group of actual lifters and see what happens, noob gains are noob gains and will of course be accelerated with OJ. I have just seen time and time and time again how much testosterone is NOT magic UNLESS you have nutrition and exercise NAILED down or are a hyper responder, otherwise its just a nice boost, and for some people who dont lift well or diet right still look like chit whereas natty guys who train well and diet well look way better.

This forum just way overshoots the efficacy of oj. Its a coping mechanism to say other people who look better than they do or are bigger are only that way because of oj, and of course if they took oj they would look even better.

[JoeDelts]

threads like this make me miss rich piana and his no bullchit talk

There was a video where he claimed he would look the same without drugs, it just would've taken longer. Hardly a beacon of honesty.

[mrdot]

It's always funny when the non lifting miscers think they know what pros actually take lmao. More does not always mean better but you'd never know that