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    Why are so many citizens against a thorough election integrity investigation?

    This isn't intended to be a Trump / Biden post. In fact, if you're response contains either Trump or Biden, then you're completely missing the point of my question.

    I can see why politicians and their media microphones are. But when it comes to the citizens, the only tool that we have (that doesn't include violence) to remove government officials who are detrimental to people of our nation....is the vote. If there's no integrity in the vote, then we have nothing. Furthermore, politicians would have nothing holding them back from doing real damage because there's no danger of losing their position without a legitimate election.

    The integrity of the vote is way more important than whether your guy wins or loses. I see dozens of posts mocking a complete investigation into the integrity of the vote. If your reasoning is solely because your guy won, then you're incredibly shortsighted.

    The founding fathers of this country understood that there are two competing entities in this society, and those two entities are the political class and the governed citizenry. The vote gave power to the citizenry to keep from being oppressed. The citizenry today willfully throws that power away, as the political class has convinced you that the competing entities are instead the political parties, theirs, who care about you, and the other guys, who don't, when in reality, neither of them do and you've thrown away the tool to change the situation.

    It may well be that this election was fair and legitimate. You might say, "The court cases all failed" Okay, but why would a citizen ever denounce doing everything to make sure the election was legitimate..
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    I respect what you're trying to ask here, but if you think either integrity or founding fathers matter to the people of this country, you're only half right. Half of the people care about these things.

    Sounds like you're one of the good guys, but you need to study your enemies.
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    Surely if we just have a dozen more audits/recounts, Donald Trump will be declared the winner in a bigly landslide!
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    I think most citizens are in favor of auditing the vote. The media can do a very good job of misleading you about public opinion. The citizens who don't want an audit are in the "Trump bad" cult and oppose anything that Trump appears to support.
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    Same reason everyone on this site would be against a through investigation into you being a raging dik sucking phaggot. We already know you are so what's the point? It's unnecessary, if there was any doubt you were a phaggot then maybe it would be worth it but there is not.

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    Doesn't the burden of proof usually lie with the accuser?
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    Originally Posted by wings_unhinged View Post
    Doesn't the burden of proof usually lie with the accuser?
    Not if you’re a democrat. Do you not remember the Kavanaugh fiasco?
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    Why can't Trumpers just accept they lost?

    Why can't they accept Trump's first debate performance did more harm to him than any Democrat/media/professor/etc. etc. could ever do?
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    There’s been audits in multiple states. No evidence of voter fraud was found.

    Not sure what else you want with zero evidence
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    Originally Posted by brayar View Post
    I think most citizens are in favor of auditing the vote. The media can do a very good job of misleading you about public opinion. The citizens who don't want an audit are in the "Trump bad" cult and oppose anything that Trump appears to support.
    They we’re audited...in multiple states

    But let me guess, the audit was performed by the deep state right?
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    OP, because investigations are only allowed for made-up stuff (Mueller-Russia & Ukraine Impeachment), not things that actually happened.
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    No one is against election integrity.

    When you allege fraud without actual evidence of fraud, you are a bad faith actor <-- this is what people are against.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    OP, because investigations are only allowed for made-up stuff (Mueller-Russia & Ukraine Impeachment), not things that actually happened.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...mplete-no-sign

    Cry more phaggot
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    Originally Posted by navid93 View Post
    They we’re audited...in multiple states

    But let me guess, the audit was performed by the deep state right?
    There were no forensic audits of the voting machines, except for one in MI that showed massive vote switching.
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    Originally Posted by brayar View Post
    There were no forensic audits of the voting machines, except for one in MI that showed massive vote switching.
    Be careful w/ the Antrim audit. The significance was the high ballot rejection rate, something shared across the US. Antrim is a podunk county that voted for Trump.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    OP, because investigations are only allowed for made-up stuff (Mueller-Russia & Ukraine Impeachment), not things that actually happened.
    It's weird how you keep posting things that are completely wrong. It's like you have a commitment to ignorance. Here, read what the REPUBLICAN-led Senate Intelligence Committee had to say on this....



    The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and that other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid...

    https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...624b7920cc846a
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    Originally Posted by MMeadows11 View Post
    It's weird how you keep posting things that are completely wrong. It's like you have a commitment to ignorance. Here, read what the REPUBLICAN-led Senate Intelligence Committee had to say on this....

    The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and that other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid...

    https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...624b7920cc846a
    So the House Oversight Committee testimony from 2017 that included NUMEROUS persons of interest and as well as government officials, which took 3 YEARS to make its way to the public, and showed that no one believed Trump was a Russian agent, all gets thrown right out the window because of what you just linked?

    Seems like there is a conflicting narrative here.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    So the House Oversight Committee testimony from 2017 that included NUMEROUS persons of interest and as well as government officials, which took 3 YEARS to make its way to the public, and showed that no one believed Trump was a Russian agent, all gets thrown right out the window because of what you just linked?

    Seems like there is a conflicting narrative here.

    Link ?

    Nah, no conflicting narrative.

    Highly doubtful that this House report, released in 2017 and prior to receiving any info from the Mueller Report could have been as comprehensive as the SIC report, yes ?
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    Libs are against it because they're fans of fraud
    2020 fraud:

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    www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/warren-klobuchar-wyden-and-pocan-investigate-vulnerabilities-and-shortcomings-of-election-technology-industry-with-ties-to-private-equity

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    Originally Posted by MMeadows11 View Post
    Link ?

    Nah, no conflicting narrative.

    Highly doubtful that this House report, released in 2017 and prior to receiving any info from the Mueller Report could have been as comprehensive as the SIC report, yes ?
    Are you American?

    Ignore Schiff's commentary. Each PDF features Q&A and paints a diff picture than what Schiff states. And no I'm not going to pour through to cite specifics.

    Link: https://intelligence.house.gov/russiainvestigation/
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    I remember back in the day, oh, a year ago, that lack of evidence of a thing happening meant it definitely didn't happen, and anyone thought it did was a loon.
    Now there's investgations into voter fraud, none is found. More investigation, still nothing. "That doesn't mean there wasn't any, because we KNOW there was! We know because of the no evidence, which is clearly evidence of a coverup! Investigate more!"
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    Are you American?

    Ignore Schiff's commentary. Each PDF features Q&A and paints a diff picture than what Schiff states. And no I'm not going to pour through to cite specifics.

    Link: https://intelligence.house.gov/russiainvestigation/

    LMFAO. This is from the very FIRST PAGE of the link you provided :

    “Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.”

    Democrats on the Committee affirmed that judgement, as did Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee. Throughout its investigation, the Committee uncovered significant evidence of Trump campaign efforts to seek, make use of, and cover up Russian help in the 2016 presidential election. To date, two witnesses have been convicted and sentenced to prison terms for lying and attempting to obstruct the Committee’s investigation.




    Edit : Do you even read the links you provide ? Do you read phukn ANYTHING ? Or you just go with "Hurr de durr de durr.....Orange Man said no collusion !!"
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    Originally Posted by BIGJIMSLADE22 View Post
    This isn't intended to be a Trump / Biden post. In fact, if you're response contains either Trump or Biden, then you're completely missing the point of my question.

    I can see why politicians and their media microphones are. But when it comes to the citizens, the only tool that we have (that doesn't include violence) to remove government officials who are detrimental to people of our nation....is the vote. If there's no integrity in the vote, then we have nothing. Furthermore, politicians would have nothing holding them back from doing real damage because there's no danger of losing their position without a legitimate election.

    The integrity of the vote is way more important than whether your guy wins or loses. I see dozens of posts mocking a complete investigation into the integrity of the vote. If your reasoning is solely because your guy won, then you're incredibly shortsighted.

    The founding fathers of this country understood that there are two competing entities in this society, and those two entities are the political class and the governed citizenry. The vote gave power to the citizenry to keep from being oppressed. The citizenry today willfully throws that power away, as the political class has convinced you that the competing entities are instead the political parties, theirs, who care about you, and the other guys, who don't, when in reality, neither of them do and you've thrown away the tool to change the situation.

    It may well be that this election was fair and legitimate. You might say, "The court cases all failed" Okay, but why would a citizen ever denounce doing everything to make sure the election was legitimate..
    Frankly, I'm not against a comprehensive bipartisan election integrity investigation aimed at discovering weaknesses in the process in this election, promoting procedures to fix the weakness, and making sure that our elections are as secure and transparent as possible going forward to restore confidence in the election process. If that happens, I'm 100% for it. What was proposed was a CT based sham to overturn a certified election in the 11th hour. That I am not in favor of.
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    I wish you leftist retards would stop saying "wHeRe dA eViDeNcE?!?!?!". Here, read this. Maybe you'll be able to use both of your brain cells and realize this was not a legitimate election

    https://www.radiotalknetwork.com/upl...13.21-0001.pdf
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    Don't let the MSM and online rhetoric fool you. I know several moderates IRL who believe the election was shady AF. No one except braindead leftists actually thinks it was totally above board, and even most of them are feigning their belief.
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    I’m not against it. But you have to give up at some point. You lost 63 court cases ffs.
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    Originally Posted by Omnivium View Post
    I wish you leftist retards would stop saying "wHeRe dA eViDeNcE?!?!?!". Here, read this. Maybe you'll be able to use both of your brain cells and realize this was not a legitimate election

    https://www.radiotalknetwork.com/upl...13.21-0001.pdf
    There's no point, in case you haven't been seeing the left they are not open to debate or hypothetical questions.


    It's only when they lose they want to investigate.

    If Trump won under sketchy circumstances I would be saying the same thing, investigate to make sure Trump truly won.

    Which is what I'm saying now.
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    Originally Posted by Omnivium View Post
    I wish you leftist retards would stop saying "wHeRe dA eViDeNcE?!?!?!". Here, read this. Maybe you'll be able to use both of your brain cells and realize this was not a legitimate election

    https://www.radiotalknetwork.com/upl...13.21-0001.pdf
    Source: The Navarro report??????????????????



    We want evidence from a judge, not some ****ing political hack trump appointee, you idiot
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    Originally Posted by Kane_89 View Post
    Source: The Navarro report??????



    We want evidence from a judge, not some ****ing political hack trump appointee, you idiot
    TIL judges present evidence
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