Minimum Wage Mandate in Biden’s Pandemic Relief Bill est. to Wipe Out 1.3 Mil Jobs

[BJoe]

Most people wouldn't last 5 seconds working at McDonald's. The kitchen is greasy and smelly, you have impatient Karens and Kens demanding their chit. Probably the second hardest job behind working in a nursing home. Not a huge surprise that both jobs have worker shortages.

This, I’ve seen people that couldn’t hack it in the customer service call center I work for now, let alone at the retailers I’ve worked for in the past, no way in hell could they handle fast food on the other side of the counter.

[Johnez]

If you went to school to learn a trade and you're only making $16/hour that's a problem. That's roughly $28k/year. Still poverty. That's what Trump tier people are really worried about. Some highschool bag boy making almost as much as they do. If you're making $16/hour maybe get yourself out of poverty before worrying about and chiting on someone that makes less than you.

I'm making $28 as a warehouse picker lol. Stop making it personal and start debating the point, if you can.

[Johnez]

Lmao $600/month apartment. Good one.

We have tried the neoliberal approach for the last 40 years. It doesn't work.

They exist. The fact that you are ignorant to the fact that there are many different economic regions disqualifies you from discussing further.

[SaltyDog920]

Libs are the actual fascists. This should decided at that state level. Ridiculous abuse of federal power.

[i3oosted]

It should have been raised along the lines of cost of living, yearly. Now it’s being dumped on businesses all at once lol.

[IPoopStandingUp]

Fix a crisis by implementing all the dumb ideas Dems have been dreaming about for years. Standard.

[JonnyB1106]

What the fuk are you talking about? Do you understand how a business even works? Go read my above comment you dumbass

You want to get paid more? Don’t fukn apply at a minimum wage job! You need more skills then playing video games on a computer sometimes to get paid more than minimum wage you fool

tbonestake is a certified low-IQ shill. He couldn’t even comprehend your comment above if he actually took the time to read it.

[lildave]

A big issue here is the absolutely disgusting, and seemingly unimaginable cooperate greed. How much of a profit margin do you think McD’s would lose if they increased their workers wages to 15/hour, without making any other changes?

I do understand that this same concept does not apply to small businesses and mom/pop shops though. Is that where we are going to see the biggest loss of employment you think?

Instinctively, I feel this is more of a state/local issue as the economy varies pretty significantly across the US.

It should be a local issue. If people want a higher minimum wage then vote for a governor that will mandate that. It seems like Americans have the same issue as Canadians where they dont pay any attention to local elections and want everything done at a federal level. Federal government shouldnt really be dealing with local issues. The only logic I can see is if one state raises the minimum wage and the states around them dont they could possibly lose people to that state. But really people arent gonna be moving for a slightly higher minimum wage job. If that becomes an issue then they can also raise their minimum wage to become competitive. Maybe someone else has a better idea why the federal government should get involved but it doesnt make sense to me.

[Maestro]

Is it an instant bump to $15/hr? I know with bernies plan it was "up to" $15/hr over the course of 10 years.

[randombrah102]

Good, if you can't pay a higher min wage then you shouldnt be in business

[Mark1T]

Small businesses are dying, so raise corp taxes and wages to cripple them further.

So, the 1 Million+ jobs lost IMO is a low figure.

Dems are anti-business, but raising the minimum wage looks good politically. The jobs lost will be blamed on Trump somehow.

[tng83]

People say this everywhere there is a wage increase but it doesn’t happen. It’s right wing big government rhetoric.

Imagine being such a cuck that you would be against getting paid more to keep your employer happy. You brahs must love getting bottomed out too.

Seattle

[AWillis]

Most people wouldn't last 5 seconds working at McDonald's. The kitchen is greasy and smelly, you have impatient Karens and Kens demanding their chit. Probably the second hardest job behind working in a nursing home. Not a huge surprise that both jobs have worker shortages.

they have shortages because many Americans, mostly democrats are lazy and feel those jobs are beneath them. they feel they are entitled to better jobs.

[AWillis]

Good, if you can't pay a higher min wage then you shouldnt be in business

why not just raise it to 100$ an hour then? if they can't pay it then they shouldn't' be in business, right? you fking moron

[JoshSP1985]

Good, if you can't pay a higher min wage then you shouldnt be in business

This argument sounds good until you carry the logic out more, why not 20 or 30 or 40?

Exactly, you're an idiot.

[Maestro]

why not just raise it to 100$ an hour then? if they can't pay it then they shouldn't' be in business, right? you fking moron

Obviously not $100. I think the idea is that the minimum wage should at least be proportionate to inflation and the cost of living. Remember, 40+ years ago you could pay a monthly mortgage and raise a family on minimum wage.

[tbonestake]

tbonestake is a certified low-IQ shill. He couldn’t even comprehend your comment above if he actually took the time to read it.

What am I shilling? Reread this thread then do your own research on the effects of wage increase. Negged btw.

[pondus_levo]

Obviously not $100. I think the idea is that the minimum wage should at least be proportionate to inflation and the cost of living. Remember, 40+ years ago you could pay a monthly mortgage and raise a family on minimum wage.

Said no one ever.

[AWillis]

Obviously not $100. I think the idea is that the minimum wage should at least be proportionate to inflation and the cost of living. Remember, 40+ years ago you could pay a monthly mortgage and raise a family on minimum wage.

yes, Trump answered this.

he said it has to be looked at state by state basis. but the autistic dems think that is unfair.

you can't just do it on a national level.

why not just up it to 100$. they pluck 15 out of their asses. if the business can't cope, than that is their problem, right? that is what the prick above wrote

[Maestro]

Said no one ever.

Its sad that it sounds so fantastical to you that you don't believe it was ever possible.

My grandfather raised my dad and 3 siblings working minimum wage in a food cannery and my grandmother stayed at home to take care of the house. That was in the mid 60s-mid 70s.

[applesux]

mcdonalds already pays minimum wage everywhere but the US

imagine demanding to be cucked by your corporate overlords jfl


i think minimum wage should have an exception aka be a bit less but enough for the employees to survive for small business

i have ran small and medium sized businesses all my adult life, if you cannot afford to pay $12-15 wages than your business is not gonna survive either way, timer for some new ideas

[Fang2]

I would imagine that servers, and all others that receive tips, would not fall under the $15/hr requirement. They would receive a base rate + average tips that would equal that of $15/hr at a minimum.

Casino cocktail waitresses make at least 200+ dollars per shift on tips here

[ltsOgre]

they have shortages because many Americans, mostly democrats are lazy and feel those jobs are beneath them. they feel they are entitled to better jobs.

You can't even pay rent if you work at McDonald's, basically anywhere in the country. There's no way that's good for the country. May as well be homeless and not work at McDonald's. Same outcome.

[anonymous]

Its sad that it sounds so fantastical to you that you don't believe it was ever possible.

My grandfather raised my dad and 3 siblings working minimum wage in a food cannery and my grandmother stayed at home to take care of the house. That was in the mid 60s-mid 70s.

I wonder if there's any correlation between that and corporations bringing over millions of low skill workers?

[katya422]

We don't really know if that will be in the bill or not. It seemed more like a wishlist item. If it does happen I think it would be terrible for helping the unemployment situation, but not as bad if it's phased in over more than 5 years.

Maybe they will settle somewhere in the middle if enough people disagree with it.

If they initially only bump it to $10 and then $1 a year over 5 years it shouldn't be that bad.

Can’t be srs? Worker productivity has multiplied a huge amount since the 1970s.

True. Some of this is due to computers/automation and some is just cutting corners and providing a lower level of service to customers.

In the early 80s a newer discount grocer opened up in our area bragging that they had lower prices because you sacked your own groceries. At that time here the standard was to have a cashier and baggers who would pack your order and take it out to your car for you, then return the shopping cart to the store. The supermarket where I was a cashier around '90 was still like that.

Now the customer is expected to check out their own grocery order or wait in line for the one or two counters that actually are staffed by a cashier. And I haven't had anyone wheel my groceries out and load them in my car since around 2007.

Mcdonalds and nursing home employees have the hardest jobs? U cannot be serious lmao.

Both of those jobs are actually pretty bad. Nursing home is the worst of the two though.

[pondus_levo]

If they initially only bump it to $10 and then $1 a year over 5 years it shouldn't be that bad.



True. Some of this is due to computers/automation and some is just cutting corners and providing a lower level of service to customers.

In the early 80s a newer discount grocer opened up in our area bragging that they had lower prices because you sacked your own groceries. At that time here the standard was to have a cashier and baggers who would pack your order and take it out to your car for you, then return the shopping cart to the store. The supermarket where I was a cashier around '90 was still like that.

Now the customer is expected to check out their own grocery order or wait in line for the one or two counters that actually are staffed by a cashier. And I haven't had anyone wheel my groceries out and load them in my car since around 2007.



Both of those jobs are actually pretty bad. Nursing home is the worst of the two though.

I can tell you right now, grocery store checkers and baggers should NOT get raises. Their productivity 1/2 as when I was one 20 years ago. It's so friggin annoying.

Also, when I was 16 and working in fast food, if a car took more than 90 seconds to get their food once they paid, we were torn a new *******.

Basically, everything in this world EXCEPT customer service has gotten better and more efficient, and they are the ones they want to give raises to?

Naw son.

[katya422]

I can tell you right now, grocery store checkers and baggers should NOT get raises. Their productivity 1/2 as when I was one 20 years ago. It's so friggin annoying.

Also, when I was 16 and working in fast food, if a car took more than 90 seconds to get their food once they paid, we were torn a new *******.

Basically, everything in this world EXCEPT customer service has gotten better and more efficient, and they are the ones they want to give raises to?

Naw son.

I think that is partly on employers though. When I was a cashier we had to do a "produce test" before each shift- there were items in the back of produce and you had to list the produce codes. We were rated for speed and accuracy too. Not sure if I have my old 99% Accuracy badges.

The places that have self-checkout? Mostly don't seem to care if their cashiers are good at their job. If the line is long/slow then that just trains customers to use the self-checkout more.

If the pay rate goes up maybe they will attract some better workers. Chic-fil-a is kind of known for that. In And Out too.

ETA: Seems we have been trained to accept less and poorer service in general to the benefit of the corporate bottom line. See: automated phone systems. If there aren't many competitors in the market and they all provide basically the same low level of service then you don't have much choice. Consumers did contribute though by making price the main factor in their purchasing decisions.

[tng83]

Obviously not $100. I think the idea is that the minimum wage should at least be proportionate to inflation and the cost of living. Remember, 40+ years ago you could pay a monthly mortgage and raise a family on minimum wage.

40 years ago people didnt have internet bills, cell phone plans, netflix charges, student loans. Interest rates were 5 times what they are now which incentivize savings instead of borrowing. Governemt got involved and ruined everything.

[CaliSuperSport]

Imagine a country, where crony capitalist mega-billionaires and their multi-national banks and companies are given corporate welfare while hard-working small businesses are shut down permanently or milked dry.

You don't have to imagine. That country is America.

[A-GAME]

Mathematics.....Not even once....