I've researched for the last few hours trying to find some info on this so I'd like some experts to chime in.
Since aminos are what are left over after your body breaks down protein, is it essential to eat the same amount of protein if you take aminos also?
Lots of websites I've come across say that aminos are better than protein powder since it will get into the muscle faster. If that's the case you are losing x grams of protein from the shake so does that actually mean you can cut your protein down some if you take aminos?
There is literally no information on this. I have yet to find any maybe I'm searching with the wrong key phrases but I can't find anything.
Obviously, if you are skipping the entire breakdown process and going straight to the aminos you should technically be able to cut some of your protein out. The question is how much?
I'm planning on taking EAAs here soon. I don't see the point in eating recommending g per body weight amounts of protein if I am going to be taking aminos also. Just doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm hoping someone has some expertise in this.
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01-07-2021, 12:36 PM #1
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Can you cut your protein intake if you are taking aminos?
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01-07-2021, 02:51 PM #4
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Don't trade out an incomplete protein for a complete protein. Whole foods > supplements.
Supplement a good diet: don't diet on supplements.
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01-07-2021, 02:55 PM #5
Essential simply means the human body can't synthesize from other sources. If you have insufficient amounts of nonessential aa in your diet, synthesis will usually be inefficient and almost certainly in insufficient amounts.
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01-07-2021, 04:56 PM #6
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Free-form aminos should never be supplemented let alone substituted for whole proteins. There is no value to using EAAs, BCAAs or other free-form aminos. If you're meeting your macro you're getting plenty of EAAs, NEAAs and conditional-AAs.
All of what you posted disregards digestion and how it works. Because foods you eat can take upwards of 48 hours to digest, your body has a constant stream of nutrients including amino acids. Unless you're fasting >24 hours, which you shouldn't be if you have body comp or athletic goals, the immediacy of not breaking down food is pointless. If you've met your macro on previous days all of the aminos your body will need will be there.
Overcomplicating the situation. Included here is the fact that protein powder is just powdered food, not magic muscle fertilizer. In the context of a high protein diet of varied sources, protein is protein outside of collagen or collagen-based sources. Meet macro daily, whenever convenient with whatever food you want that meets those macros. Powdered food is just a convenient source of food if you need some help meeting your macro."I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate..."
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01-07-2021, 04:59 PM #7
Okay, you busted me. The slightly longer answer is that aminos are specific amino acids. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein. There are a total of 20 to 22 amino acids (depending on who you ask). 9 of those are considered "essential amino acids" because you need to get them from somewhere other than your own body (we produce the remaining amino acids internally). To build muscle you need a "complete protein", which means you need to get those 9 amino acids that your body doesn't produce -- you get them from food. I assume aminos will keep you anabolic but alone they will not build muscles, per se.
I take them after every workout and sometimes during, but they are an addition to what I eat and not a substitute.Expect nothing. Live frugally on surprise.
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01-07-2021, 06:37 PM #10
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Thanks, everyone for the answers I appreciate it. Exactly what I needed to know. It's all confusing to be honest and so much misinformation online. So many websites saying EAA's are so much better than BCAA's blah blah blah. You never know which is true and what isn't. I always figured just eating the protein has to be better. It's also better for your metabolism.
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I wonder if he will continue to shill BCAAs when BPI joins most other companies in just getting rid of forum reps. We all know these forums aren't what they used to be, I can't imagine there's much value in having forum reps anymore. When I worked for MT we slowly cut all ours back then ditched the program entirely.
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He got cut a year or so ago when they cut all forum reps, but I guess they brought him back. Can't imagine it will last much longer because....
This is the reality of the future. It's exactly what MAN told me. I could be on the MAN Squad and it's all about IG. I don't think I've posted anything on IG in nearly 2 years. No thanks Jeff. You did forget TikTok. It's coming."I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate..."
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01-11-2021, 05:25 AM #25
BCAAs do not maximise muscle protein synthesis.
Sufficient EAAs do maximise muscle protein synthesis.
If you consume a lot of EEAs you won't need to consume as much protein from whole food sources.
They are better in the context of muscle gain. BCAAs are pretty much useless in the context of muscle gain.
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01-11-2021, 09:12 PM #27
Well that's true too but that isn't his question. He's asking if it's essential to eat the same amount of protein if you take aminos acids.
The answer to that question is "no you won't need to consume the same amount of whole protein if you supplement with EAAs".
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01-12-2021, 05:08 AM #28
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01-12-2021, 08:27 AM #29
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He was asking the wrong question because of bad information he read. The question he asked was how much protein to cut out in lieu of EAAs. The answer is none. Don't cut protein. Cut the free-form aminos.
Well, I don't know if is a fact necessarily in totality. A gleaning, sure, I'd agree. But then, leucine, isoleucine and valine are not useless in the context of muscle gain. They are still essential amino acids and have their role to play. The reality is that 3 essential amino acids or all 9 essential amino acids are all important. You just don't need to supplement them or worry about them if you're meeting your macro daily. And if you're not meeting your macro, you should fix that with proteins and the full spectrum of aminos they offer."I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate..."
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01-12-2021, 09:31 PM #30
Well we're in disagreement on that one. When you're supplementing all 9 EAAs in sufficient dosage you won't need to eat as much protein. At least that's what the research I've seen supports. If you have scientific references that are in conflict with what I wrote I would definitely like to read them.
The 3 BCAAs are pretty much useless for muscle gain if you supplement them without the other EAAs. This is pretty well supported in the literature. Here's an example: adding BCAAs to a low amount of whey did nothing for muscle protein synthesis.
Last edited by Mrpb; 01-13-2021 at 03:54 AM.
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