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    Does anyone get bigger mass from training to failure each set?

    Hi all,

    I know this topic has been discussed thousand times. I'm just curious to see if there is anyone benefited from training to failure each set?

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    Yes plenty of people do.
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    Originally Posted by Brandon2576 View Post
    Yes plenty of people do.
    Wow, there are many articles/fitness trainers said training to failure is bad and vice versa.
    Does the training weight matter? how to guarantee muscle grows while training to failure?
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    Originally Posted by johnnxiv View Post
    Wow, there are many articles/fitness trainers said training to failure is bad and vice versa.
    Does the training weight matter? how to guarantee muscle grows while training to failure?
    Training to failure acts as a fool-proof way to ensure your set was a ‘hard’ set, thus guaranteeing stimulus. That’s basically the only advantage it serves - for those who can’t accurately gauge their failure proximity. A hard set is typically defined as any set ending with 0-4 reps in reserve. Leaving 1-4 reps in the tank will always be the better strategy than going to failure. It allows you to accumulate more volume (reduced fatigue build-up), progress quicker (less rep drop offs between sets) and lowers injury risk. Any hard set within 3-30 reps has been proven to induce hypertrophy. I’d personally keep it in the 5-15 range for mass and general strength-related goals.
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    Originally Posted by johnnxiv View Post
    Wow, there are many articles/fitness trainers said training to failure is bad and vice versa.
    For some people it might not be the most efficient way to train but for others it might work well. The only way to determine whether it could work for you or not is to actually try it out in the gym.
    - Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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    It's not "good" or "bad", not much in training falls into such a binary classification.

    What it does is provide the best possible stimulus per set but the fatigue per set will be the highest too. So depending on your work capacity, you might overreach quite fast and it might end up being sub optimal.

    But "sub optimal" doesn't mean you get no results, just not as much as you could have got from something else.

    For example, do more sets but hold back by 1 or 2 reps from true failure.
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    Any articles on this? Would love to learn more.
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    Originally Posted by Elucid99 View Post
    Any articles on this? Would love to learn more.
    As always, strongerbyscience has a very thorough evidence based take on this:

    https://www.strongerbyscience.com/tr...ining-to-fail/
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    Originally Posted by Elucid99 View Post
    Any articles on this? Would love to learn more.
    Tons. Go to T-Nation and type 'failure' in the search box.
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    This is the study that a lot of articles (not only T-Nation articles) are based on or refer to:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404827/
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    Originally Posted by johnnxiv View Post
    Hi all,

    I know this topic has been discussed thousand times. I'm just curious to see if there is anyone benefited from training to failure each set?

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    Thats the mindset that you should have. Actually training to failure for every single set is something mostly the very advanced bodybuilders can perform.

    99% of the time a beginner/intermediate lifter tries to pull a little bit down the intensity, to not "go to failure", he doesnt even go hard on the set and ends up leaving several reps in the tank.

    You are very unlikely to reach true failure in most of your sets. Maybe in some.

    Train hard.
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