Safe to say Tom Brady has proven himself

[DynamicDot]

Peyton looked like **** in 2015 running kubiaks offense

Because his arm was dead. All they needed him to do was play game manager and take care of the ball like Brady did in 2018 and in his first Superbowl and they would win. And they won...

[128]

Patriots about to miss the playoffs for the first time since 08


Bucs about to make the playoffs for the first time since 07





Hmmm I wonder who the difference maker is here.....

[HtotheOV]

also, I don’t even give a **** how Brady and the Bucs end up doing.

the narrative throughout the years has always been you can put a miscer under center in NE and they would magically play well.

Pats offense has been utter garbage this season. Last year Brady finished with 4K, 24/8 numbers. Average but they still went 12-4 with the same offensive talent. This season the Pats OL is prob even better.

[AMeyer9]

also, I don’t even give a **** how Brady and the Bucs end up doing.

the narrative throughout the years has always been you can put a miscer under center in NE and they would magically play well.

Pats offense has been utter garbage this season. Last year Brady finished with 4K, 24/8 numbers. Average but they still went 12-4 with the same offensive talent. This season the Pats OL is prob even better.

Can you remind me how many players opted out for NE? ****ing botard logic.

[128]

Can you remind me how many players opted out for NE? ****ing botard logic.

Lmao at this cope, what difference would it make if they were playing? Especially with the trash offense.

As if Brady never experienced depleted rosters in NE and still succeeded.

[DynamicDot]

Patriots about to miss the playoffs for the first time since 08


Bucs about to make the playoffs for the first time since 07





Hmmm I wonder who the difference maker is here.....

If Brady was on the team they would barely be a playoff team. Brady is better than Cam but they are still in the hunt for the playoffs, probably won't make it, but it wasn't a total failure/flop.

[AMeyer9]

Lmao at this cope, what difference would it make if they were playing? Especially with the trash offense.

As if Brady never experienced depleted rosters in NE and still succeeded.

Cope about what?

Me coping that my QB is poised for an MVP and we already won the NFC North? Much cope.




How many times did Brady have a garbage defense? I understand it's really hard for you guys to think logically with his old saggy balls in your mouth but god damn. Dude looks okay at best.

[Tyler2106]

Plenty did, homers, but obviously you seem reasonable. My point is more so that Peyton can and will always run what he wants, Brady can't, don't think he is capable of running his own offense.

What proof do you have to back up these claims?

[Tyler2106]

Can you remind me how many players opted out for NE? ****ing botard logic.

I agree that the high number of opt outs hurt the defense, but they've since improved and playing at a competent level. That being said, if you've watched any Patriot games you'd know that the defense isn't the issue for the Patriots struggles.

The defense gave up 17 points last week to the Rams and got an INT, yet the offense makes it into the red zone 4 times and only scores 3 points. Is that the defenses fault?

[128]

Cope about what?

Me coping that my QB is poised for an MVP and we already won the NFC North? Much cope.




How many times did Brady have a garbage defense? I understand it's really hard for you guys to think logically with his old saggy balls in your mouth but god damn. Dude looks okay at best.

Nobody cares about Fraudgers the GOAT consideration ship has sailed and that's why you're salty but anyway,

give me the list of other 43 year old QBs you can say the bold about.

[128]

I agree that the high number of opt outs hurt the defense, but they've since improved and playing at a competent level. That being said, if you've watched any Patriot games you'd know that the defense isn't the issue for the Patriots struggles.

The defense gave up 17 points last week to the Rams and got an INT, yet the offense makes it into the red zone 4 times and only scores 3 points. Is that the defenses fault?

He's convinced himself if their 5th string RB and backup FB didn't opt out the Pats offense would be top 10, he's a lost cause

[DynamicDot]

What proof do you have to back up these claims?

Because they would be doing it on the Bucs right now if he could. And even then Arians has said that they are running what Tom wants, the plays he wants, etc. Not to mention, they (Cris Collinsworth, etc.) mentioned in the top 100 show last year that Peyton was the only QB that basically ran his own practices and Brady never did that.



18:30 mark is when it starts.

[HtotheOV]

If Brady was on the team they would barely be a playoff team. Brady is better than Cam but they are still in the hunt for the playoffs, probably won't make it, but it wasn't a total failure/flop.

lol at this potato logic.

Pats QBs are a combined total of 2600yd, 8tds and 14ints

Pats total offense is ranked 27th vs last year 7th

Pats total defense is ranked 7th vs last year 1st

still a top 10 defense and you can argue with a better qb they would rank better with not being on the field so much.

with Brady they are easily 9-3

[wildchild11]

Bradytards melting down ITT

[DynamicDot]

lol at this potato logic.

Pats QBs are a combined total of 2600yd, 8tds and 14ints

Pats total offense is ranked 27th vs last year 7th

Pats total defense is ranked 7th vs last year 1st

still a top 10 defense and you can argue with a better qb they would rank better with not being on the field so much.

with Brady they are easily 9-3

Patriots have also missed Edelman for most of the year. You think he is going to do well throwing to Byrd, Harry, and a bunch of other no names. He would actually do a lot worse. And their defense has been injured too, Gilmore missed a few games.

They would be in the playoffs but barely and they definitely would not be winning the division.

[128]

Brady haters can't cope with the fact the bad argument they've been losing for 2 decades is in complete shambles.


You clowns said it yourself: "Bill could win with anyone," now just eat your crow and move on. Lmfao at the "opt outs" excuses, don't remember you excusing Pats struggles whenever they were plagued by injuries before

[MBisonSon]

I think Brady has had an OK year.

Nothing great. If you watch him play, especially when TB plays good teams, he does struggle more than he used to.

Oh so you decided to stop protesting like angry Jan Brady and watch football?

Funny because back when you were virtue signaling you seemed so believable and compelling.

[ohiostate124]

Can you remind me how many players opted out for NE? ****ing botard logic.

Only 2 or 3 starters bud and only one of those was on offense.

[LukeS1]

lol he's 43

You want him to put up HOF MVP numbers at 43? GTFO


Some of you are incapable of accepting reality. If he was a system QB he would have dropped off compared to last year or when he was 41 or 40. LOL at comparing him to when he was 33 saying hurrr he dropped off compared to when he was in his prime. No f*cking sh*t sherlock. Even Brady can't escape the decline of age. No one can.

I didnt say that

All I said was putting up 4000 yards with Gronk, Evans, Godwin and Brown does nothing to prove TB12 can play at a HoF level outside of the Pats system

I agree hes doing great for a guy his age, but again that doesn't prove he's a top 5 all time QB



FWIW I always did and still do think Brady is the GOAT, I just think the idea that this year disproves the system QB argument is asanine

[DynamicDot]

I didnt say that

All I said was putting up 4000 yards with Gronk, Evans, Godwin and Brown does nothing to prove TB12 can play at a HoF level outside of the Pats system

And people aren't even looking at stats correctly. He was compared to 2012 Peyton Manning when 2012 Peyton Manning was 2nd in passer rating while Brady is 14th in passer rating right now.

Brady is putting up league average QB stats while having the best WR corps of his career and all-time.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/BradTo00.htm

Tom Brady's passer rating index is 106 (Rate +). That's the 2nd lowest of his career, last year was lower.

edit:


DynamicCuck getting destroyed.

repped

Lol you were one of the people who said Brady is still the best player in the NFL, so he's actually describing people like you when he said you shouldn't take people like that seriously.

[LukeS1]

This imbecile legit started watching football this year (srs)

He stated that llamar jackson was a better QB than mahomes.

Don't give this troll attention. Dude legit lives in the UK and watches NFl highlights the next morning LOL

Literally the only thing that's correct there is that I live in the UK (srs)

[Tyler2106]

Because they would be doing it on the Bucs right now if he could. And even then Arians has said that they are running what Tom wants, the plays he wants, etc. Not to mention, they (Cris Collinsworth, etc.) mentioned in the top 100 show last year that Peyton was the only QB that basically ran his own practices and Brady never did that.



18:30 mark is when it starts.

Dude, come on. Your own video is proof that you don't have proof. Collinsworth says Peyton ran the practices using the game plan for that week, but admitted he didn't know how involved Manning was in the actual creation of the game plan. And that portion of the video was mentioning his days in Indy, not Denver.

And herp derp at thinking just because you "run" a practice it means you're a better QB than someone else. Peyton was one of the best to do it and a leader. Anyone with that level of talent and leadership commands the huddle.

[LukeS1]

I dont get how you guys are even arguing this


The TB12 is a system QB argument is not that in another system he couldn't throw decent stats with a pro bowl roster

Its that he wouldn't still look like a top 5 all time QB, and carry his side to multiple super bowls in the absence of the favourable conditions he had at the pats

Hes done nothing to disprove that at Tampa

[Lunatic]

I didnt say that

All I said was putting up 4000 yards with Gronk, Evans, Godwin and Brown does nothing to prove TB12 can play at a HoF level outside of the Pats system

I agree hes doing great for a guy his age, but again that doesn't prove he's a top 5 all time QB



FWIW I always did and still do think Brady is the GOAT, I just think the idea that this year disproves the system QB argument is asanine

He IS a system QB, but so is every other QB and player in the NFL. This whole system QB **** is so ****ing stupid. Brady absolutely wouldn't be the GOAT if he got his start with the Browns, Brees wouldn't have all these records without Sean Payton, and so many other examples. They are all products of the system that they are in. Look at Ryan Tannehill. Gase's system and he wasn't good. He's much better in the one he's currently in.





God damn..... Some of you are retarded.

[drvillain]

Peyton is the best QB of all time.

Brady is the most accomplished/successful QB of all time.

It really is just that simple

[Tyler2106]

Patriots have also missed Edelman for most of the year. You think he is going to do well throwing to Byrd, Harry, and a bunch of other no names. He would actually do a lot worse. And their defense has been injured too, Gilmore missed a few games.

They would be in the playoffs but barely and they definitely would not be winning the division.

Byrd and Meyers, IMO, are better than people are giving them credit for.

And Gilmore missed 3 games and New England went 2-1 in that stretch.

[DynamicDot]

Dude, come on. Your own video is proof that you don't have proof. Collinsworth says Peyton ran the practices using the game plan for that week, but admitted he didn't know how involved Manning was in the actual creation of the game plan. And that portion of the video was mentioning his days in Indy, not Denver.

And herp derp at thinking just because you "run" a practice it means you're a better QB than someone else. Peyton was one of the best to do it and a leader. Anyone with that level of talent and leadership commands the huddle.

Well you can take it two ways....You can either A argue that Peyton ran his own gameplan/offense or B he was adaptable towards multiple coaches, thus why he succeeded every bit as well in Denver as he did in Indy. Unless you think John Fox/Adam Gase are geniuses or something.

The run practice thing has more to do with the fact that he would succeed no matter where or what team. Peyton never had this system/offense debate like Brady has this year with Arians. Largely because Brady hasn't played great despite insane weapons, so you can either blame Brady or Arians for that and obviously most people would never blame Brady.

I am not even taking anything away from Brady. I'll argue he is better than Rodgers and Mahomes, there is just one dude I won't put him over and it's Fivehead.

[LukeS1]

you sure bud?







Imagine thinking Llamar is gonna be better than Mahomes

lmaooooooooooo

You've spent the effort to find two quotes and neither claim Lamar > Mahomes, or anything close for that matter

You're a donut

[LukeS1]

1.) Bill is the GOAT team coach

BB’s record w/o Tom:
54-63 winning %: 46.2

BB’s record in NE when Tom doesn’t start:
18-19 winning %: 48%

W/Tom:
197-55

Winning % Rankings All-Time:
Without Tom: 46.2%
Of 102 coaches with at least 50 wins, Bill would be ranked in the 80s. Not even a top 75 coach w/o Tom.

With Tom as starter: 78.2% which is good enough for best all time, next closest winning percentage would be 68%. He would be the best by 10%.

2.) Tom brady plays in a weak division

Tom vs the AFC:
East: 75-21 (.781)
North: 30-7 (.810)
South: 34-6 (.850)
West: 26-15 (.634)

Tom vs. the NFC:
East: 14-5 (.737)
North: 14-3 (.824)
South: 16-4 (.800)
West: 9-5 (.643)

As you can see Tom dominates all divisions, not just his own.


3.) Tom Brady Has the BEST defense in the NFL every year


Regular season: D allows 22 points or more.
Tom Brady - 48-41 winning percentage - 54%
AR - 26-30 winning percentage - 46%

BTW, Tom is the only QB in history with a winning record when his defense surrenders 22 or more points including Peyton Manning and Rodgers





/thread




Cliffs:

-Bill isn't even a top 75 Head Coach without Tom Brady
-Brady is the most winning QB under any conditions

See now you've gone off topic again



The point is that the only thing he can do at Tampa to prove he is a top 5 all time QB in another system, is to play at that level in the new system

Throwing 4,000 yards with a pro bowl roster is not that



Personally I agree Brady is the GOAT, but thats got nothing to do with anything he's done this year. And until that changes, the people that claim system QB have a valid counter argument

[bigcat3655]

lol he's 43

You want him to put up HOF MVP numbers at 43? GTFO


Some of you are incapable of accepting reality. If he was a system QB he would have dropped off compared to last year or when he was 41 or 40. LOL at comparing him to when he was 33 saying hurrr he dropped off compared to when he was in his prime. No f*cking sh*t sherlock. Even Brady can't escape the decline of age. No one can.

Repped. Just lol at thinking ANYONE at 43 and in a new system with a fukked up training camp would be better than brady right now