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    Multivitamins a scam?

    Who else thing multi's are a scam? I was taking NOW Adam Superior for years but decided to just take Vitamin D and joint support.
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    maybe not a scam, but not really something you notice a difference in when you start taking it
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    Depends on the rest of your diet. Clinicians are pretty much agreed that vitamin D supplementation is useful for most people - but as for other vitamins, it's hard to generalise out of context.
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    Originally Posted by adamgentile View Post
    Who else thing multi's are a scam? I was taking NOW Adam Superior for years but decided to just take Vitamin D and joint support.
    Yes I consider certain brand name products with large profit margins a scam.

    And multi vitamins are overhyped in general. If your diet is good you don't need them.

    Also vitamin D isn't that hard to get if you eat fatty fish frequently.
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    I've seen people try and put together a diet that meets the RDA for vitamins and minerals weekly and it's damn near impossible.

    No way I am even close to getting the RDA for vitamins and minerals in diet alone. That's why I take a multi.
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    They don´t necessarily have to be a scam. In fact, they can be helpful if you are not taking enough vitamins from your diet. Maybe when you are on a cutting diet and your intake of fruits and vegetables is low.

    That said, if you eat enough fruits and vegetables, you don´t really need the multivitamin.
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    Originally Posted by keyboardworkout View Post
    I've seen people try and put together a diet that meets the RDA for vitamins and minerals weekly and it's damn near impossible.

    No way I am even close to getting the RDA for vitamins and minerals in diet alone. That's why I take a multi.
    Keep in mind that the RDA is the estimated amount needed for ~98% of people to have adequate levels. Most people will be fine consuming quite a bit less than the RDA.

    In general I consider MVIs to be pointless if you are eating several servings of fruits/vegetables daily, but if you want to take a cheap one it shouldn't be harmful. Just try not to take anything with a lot of antioxidants around when you workout.

    Also prior to COVID-19 I felt vitamin D supplements were also quite overrated; there's enough correlational evidence for COVID-19 though that I'm advocating everyone take vitamin D at this time (2,000 IU's daily, up to 4,000 IU's daily if you're not getting any in your diet and think your levels may be low).
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    Think of a multivitamin as insurance or a loaded gun. It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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    Personally I think most people when following a whole-food based, varied diet, you only need to supplement for a couple items for best results...

    Vitamin D
    Omega-3 if you're not getting in enough fish or flax/chia etc...
    B12 if you're vegan



    I actually just started adding Dulce to my diet for iodine... just 1g of the flakes is 100% of your RDA... very very cheap way to make sure you're getting it in.

    Creatine obviously not a vitamin, but useful for most.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    Think of a multivitamin as insurance or a loaded gun. It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
    Probably more accurate to say a gun that may be partially loaded and insurance from a cheap startup company that may or may not pay. As there are a lot of conflicting info about if certain vitamins in vitamin form are actually used by the body.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Personally I think most people when following a whole-food based, varied diet, you only need to supplement for a couple items for best results...

    Vitamin D
    Omega-3 if you're not getting in enough fish or flax/chia etc...
    B12 if you're vegan
    According to Cronometer 140 gram farmed salmon (raw) delivers >300% RDA Vitamin D. So if you eat fatty fish often I don't think supplementing provides further benefits. Tuna, egg yolks, mushrooms and some fortified foods also contain some vitamin D.
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    Originally Posted by faithbrah View Post
    maybe not a scam, but not really something you notice a difference in when you start taking it
    When I take Animal Pak I definitely see a difference when I piss.

    That said, I started taking 5,000iu/day of D a few years ago, 10,000 if I feel worn down and I haven't had a cold since Feb 2019 - that's all I take now
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    When I take Animal Pak I definitely see a difference when I piss.
    Happens with every high dose multi vitamin. IIRC it's usually excess vitamin B that colors urine darker.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    According to Cronometer 140 gram farmed salmon (raw) delivers >300% RDA Vitamin D. So if you eat fatty fish often I don't think supplementing provides further benefits. Tuna, egg yolks, mushrooms and some fortified foods also contain some vitamin D.

    I recently had my levels checked and I was on the low end of normal, so I added in 2000IU's and it got me up to 50, so a better level.
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    I recently had my levels checked and I was on the low end of normal, so I added in 2000IU's and it got me up to 50, so a better level.
    My levels used to be low when I still didn't eat fish, but now that I eat salmon very regularly they're at the top of the normal range. Perhaps it's because you're a Seattle bro?
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    My levels used to be low when I still didn't eat fish, but now that I eat salmon very regularly they're at the top of the normal range. Perhaps it's because you're a Seattle bro?
    Last time i was in Seattle people were literally throwing fish at me.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    My levels used to be low when I still didn't eat fish, but now that I eat salmon very regularly they're at the top of the normal range. Perhaps it's because you're a Seattle bro?
    Well my levels were normal but they were right on the lowest end number of the normal range... I bumped the D3 intake by 1000 (from 1000 to 2000) and I gained 10 points.
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    Originally Posted by desslok View Post
    Last time i was in Seattle people were literally throwing fish at me.
    LOL mirin. I'd love to be hit with a nice Chinook Salmon...HNNNNG!
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    Well my levels were normal but they were right on the lowest end number of the normal range... I bumped the D3 intake by 1000 (from 1000 to 2000) and I gained 10 points.
    I'm surprised they weren't higher, but really all I could figure is a lack of sun exposure.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    LOL mirin. I'd love to be hit with a nice Chinook Salmon...HNNNNG!

    I'm surprised they weren't higher, but really all I could figure is a lack of sun exposure.
    Yeah I was surprised, but given the weather I guess not that crazy. Easy fix tho ;-)

    I mean I haven’t been sick in like 5 years, but I hear there’s something going around
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Yeah I was surprised, but given the weather I guess not that crazy. Easy fix tho ;-)

    I mean I haven’t been sick in like 5 years, but I hear there’s something going around
    I've personally gotten sick way less often than I have in my entire life since upping my Vitamin D levels, actually. Strawng woodknock. Mine were way below range & I've had a low white cell count at times, though. Shiiiiiiiyutt tho! Imagine you don't get sick for 5 years & the first thing you get's dat dere...HELL NAH! LOL
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    I've personally gotten sick way less often than I have in my entire life since upping my Vitamin D levels, actually. Strawng woodknock. Mine were way below range & I've had a low white cell count at times, though. Shiiiiiiiyutt tho! Imagine you don't get sick for 5 years & the first thing you get's dat dere...HELL NAH! LOL
    You guys keep talking about getting the D. Is it better to get the D orally or through skin exposure?
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    I've personally gotten sick way less often than I have in my entire life since upping my Vitamin D levels, actually. Strawng woodknock. Mine were way below range & I've had a low white cell count at times, though. Shiiiiiiiyutt tho! Imagine you don't get sick for 5 years & the first thing you get's dat dere...HELL NAH! LOL

    Haha believe me this year anytime my allergies act up I’m like:

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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    My levels used to be low when I still didn't eat fish, but now that I eat salmon very regularly they're at the top of the normal range. Perhaps it's because you're a Seattle bro?
    Or maybe you're eating more and/or a different type of salmon.

    When I was supplementing 10mcg my levels were too high so I stopped supplementing.
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    Originally Posted by desslok View Post
    You guys keep talking about getting the D. Is it better to get the D orally or through skin exposure?
    Yknow I'm a big fan of just getting some nice sunlight, but my gf keeps telling me she loves getting the D in her mouth. It must just come down to personal preference.

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    Or maybe you're eating more and/or a different type of salmon.

    When I was supplementing 10mcg my levels were too high so I stopped supplementing.
    I'm saying I went from having low levels of Vitamin D when I ate 0 fish and was vegetarian to having high normal levels after incorporating fish into my diet, mostly in the form of salmon. I've never supplemented Vitamin D in my life & merely including salmon/fish into my diet astronomically raised my levels. That's why I'm surprised Adam needs to supplement because he spends a lot of time outside & eats fish regularly. It really benefitted my overall health to include fish in my diet, but it could also be beyond Vitamin D because I was finally getting EPA and DHA in my diet that I surely missed previously (I also never took fish oil).
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    I'm saying I went from having low levels of Vitamin D when I ate 0 fish and was vegetarian to having high normal levels after incorporating fish into my diet, mostly in the form of salmon. I've never supplemented Vitamin D in my life & merely including salmon/fish into my diet astronomically raised my levels. That's why I'm surprised Adam needs to supplement because he spends a lot of time outside & eats fish regularly.
    Yes, I understood you the first time. I reacted by saying that maybe Adam eats fish less frequently than you or maybe he eats different types and that's why his vitamin D levels are on the low side without supplementing.
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