Do you think there could/should be restrictions for those who refuse the vaccination?

[supramax]

Phukk me.

I cannot believe some of the gubmint nuthuggers here.

24/7 gubmint and media be all:

Wear mask.
Social distance.
Shutdown ehr-tang.
Vaxx is now available with little to no testing. But we will force you to take dat $hit.

And you fools are braindead enough to believe gubmint.

Now, gubmint and media have never ever said:
Eat healthy.
Exercise.
You are responsible for yourself.

Let that sink in.

Take that rona $hit if you want. But the minute you force others to do so, you are complicit to evil crimes against Humanity.

Don't refer to people as brain dead if you don't yourself understand the difference between obesity or diabetes as opposed to a virus.

[sumolgi]

Some hospitals require staff to get flu shots, this isn't any different. The problem is that it's so rushed that the safety and long term efficacy data isn't there yet so it shouldn't be forced on anyone.

[OldFartTom]

A lot of posters here seem to be conflating private and gov't requirements. ...

True but at times this can overlap, based on employment laws, discrimination laws and the like.

Foundational for liberty (according to John Stuart Mill, anyways) is the "Tyranny of the majority" [against a minority].

If you really want liberty, there are times when you have to defend the right of a minority to be selfish (as viewed from the majority's perspective) and often that requires legislation to outlaw the Tyranny

It's an opinion, that whether or not a university should be allowed to ban un vaccinated students/staff on campus is a matter that a government should have an opinion and legislate if appropriate

Edit: FWIW I see vaccine refusers as being ***** selfish *****, but I'd defend their right to be that *providing* we could still achieve herd immunity without them

[xTeTe]

"The rise of mandatory and forced vaccination legislation should send a chill up every single American spine. That government can force you to accept any kind of medicine and inject you against your will is totalitarianism at its worst!
This egregious form of state power is metastasizing." - Ron Paul in 2016

What next.... will this turn into another "let me see your papers Mr. Goldstein" situation again?

[xTeTe]

and I won't say that I will never get the vaccine, but I won't be first in line to get it.

The government is all worried about deciding who will get the shots first and how quickly they can administer them based off of demand. But I don't think they'll have to worry about that honestly, I don't think there will be a long line of people chomping at the bit to get the shots the second it goes live.

[PhDPepper1111]

and I won't say that I will never get the vaccine, but I won't be first in line to get it.

The government is all worried about deciding who will get the shots first and how quickly they can administer them based off of demand. But I don't think they'll have to worry about that honestly, I don't think there will be a long line of people chomping at the bit to get the shots the second it goes live.

I was going to disagree with you … and I'm still not sure - there may be plenty lining up. But you may be right. Those that love Father Trump may tend to decline because of suspicion about govt in general, and more tendency to 'not worry' about COVID, while those that love Father Biden (who I would have thought would take the vaccine) may refuse it until Father Biden says it's ok...

Anyway, I'd hope that it won't be mandatory for most areas except for hospital workers and a few other segments.

[sy2502]

I do not, do you?

Phuk no, the government has done some horrific chit when allowed.

Beginning in 1909 and continuing for 70 years, California led the country in the number of sterilization procedures performed on men and women, often without their full knowledge and consent. Approximately 20,000 sterilizations took place in state institutions, comprising one-third of the total number performed in the 32 states where such action was legal.

More recently, California prisons are said to have authorized sterilizations of nearly 150 female inmates between 2006 and 2010. This article from the Center for Investigative reporting reveals how the state paid doctors $147,460 to perform tubal ligations that former inmates say were done under coercion.

Southern states also employed sterilization as a means of controlling African American populations. “Mississippi appendectomies” was another name for unnecessary hysterectomies performed at teaching hospitals in the South on women of color as practice for medical students. This NBC news article discusses North Carolina’s eugenics program, including stories from victims of forced sterilization like Elaine Riddick. A third of the sterilizations were done on girls under 18, even as young as 9.

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/...united-states/

Also indefinite forced commitment to psychiatric hospitals, forced treatment with dangerous drugs, and forced lobotomies well into the 70s before SCOTUS cases like O'Connor v. Donaldson, Rogers v. Okin, etc.


Phuking lol at people who think the government only wants what's best for you.

[blue9steel]

Interesting question of public good vs. individual rights. In general I'm on the side of individual rights, you should be free to do whatever you like as long as you're not harming someone else. Unfortunately vaccines fall into a strange category where individual refusal doesn't directly create much harm, but it creates harm in aggregate. My thinking is that for diseases that are likely to cause death or significant long term harm then mandatory vaccination with some reasonable exceptions is probably the way to go. Chickenpox vaccine should be likely be optional, Measles should probably be mandatory. For COVID-19, I think the incidence rate of Long Covid (permanent damage) and high fatality rate among the elderly means it's probably on the mandatory side. Civilization is always a trade off between the rights of the individual and the good of the group.

[NorwichGrad]

Phuking lol at people who think the government only wants what's best for you.

Yup!! This times infinity. A bunch of mentally weak beta cucks who surpassed *******ry to the next level.

[LWW]

How about you Half Pint, you going to het poked?

Nope, but Farley would like you to give him a good hard poking.

[LWW]

Interesting question of public good vs. individual rights. In general I'm on the side of individual rights, you should be free to do whatever you like as long as you're not harming someone else. Unfortunately vaccines fall into a strange category where individual refusal doesn't directly create much harm, but it creates harm in aggregate. My thinking is that for diseases that are likely to cause death or significant long term harm then mandatory vaccination with some reasonable exceptions is probably the way to go. Chickenpox vaccine should be likely be optional, Measles should probably be mandatory. For COVID-19, I think the incidence rate of Long Covid (permanent damage) and high fatality rate among the elderly means it's probably on the mandatory side. Civilization is always a trade off between the rights of the individual and the good of the group.

I would suggest that lazy mofos who can’t get off thier azz and others that want to ban gym class are harming others, really they put a hurting on all of us who actually are responsible for our own health.

But I would never ever suggest forcing them by law to exercise, no they can die as far as I’m concerned, we all gonna die and that’s about the only thing we can all predict that’s gonna happen to us.

[mtpockets]

Nope, but Farley would like you to give him a good hard poking.

Ha Ha

You dirty little Bastard, you been watching too much midget porn, keep it clean, family site.

[Cantplankwell]

The no-vaccers at some point will only have themselves to fear.

[TimKridel]

Lots of other countries have had mandates over the years, such as for smallpox: the UK, Germany, Sweden. I wouldn't be surprised if U.S. states or the federal government mandate vaccination. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled multiple times that such mandates are constitutional. It's already been discussed in respected, influential circles such as the New England Journal of Medicine: www nejm org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2020926

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[nick5569]

There is absolutely no reason to impose any restrictions on anyone who doesn't get the vaccine

Reason being once everyone who wants to be "safe" has access to the vaccine then there is no longer anyone that a non-vaccinated person can harm. Everyone who wanted to protect themselves has already done so

[GrouchyUSMC]

Pubs and venues may turn away people not Covid-vaccinated, says UK minister

Customers who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine could be turned away by hospitality and sports venues, the government’s vaccine minister has suggested, as he discussed the idea of using technology to reopen the economy.

Nadhim Zahawi, who was appointed on Saturday to be responsible for overseeing the rollout of the jab, said that while having the vaccine would not be compulsory, businesses such as pubs and restaurants might require proof that people have been vaccinated before allowing them in.

How about you Half Pint, you going to het poked?

[supramax]

There is absolutely no reason to impose any restrictions on anyone who doesn't get the vaccine

Reason being once everyone who wants to be "safe" has access to the vaccine then there is no longer anyone that a non-vaccinated person can harm. Everyone who wanted to protect themselves has already done so

You're parroting LWW. What if the non vaccinated person eventually catches the virus and gets deathly ill?

[GrouchyUSMC]

You're parroting LWW. What if the non vaccinated person eventually catches the virus and gets deathly ill?

What if someone drinks excessively and gets behind the wheel of a car? Personal responsibility.

[GrouchyUSMC]

Phukk me.

I cannot believe some of the gubmint nuthuggers here.

24/7 gubmint and media be all:

Wear mask.
Social distance.
Shutdown ehr-tang.
Vaxx is now available with little to no testing. But we will force you to take dat $hit.

And you fools are braindead enough to believe gubmint.

Now, gubmint and media have never ever said:
Eat healthy.
Exercise.
You are responsible for yourself.

Let that sink in.

Take that rona $hit if you want. But the minute you force others to do so, you are complicit to evil crimes against Humanity.

Imagine the people claiming they are fighting fascism by parroting the same talking points that the government and mainstream media have been saying.

The USA is quickly losing its critical thinking skills and it's a damn shame.

As someone who was part of the psychological operations campaign in Iraq, the parallels are identical.

[lotusdeva]

And when the database gets hacked, like they all do....then what?
Lord, this is tricky!

Everything gets hacked all the time Every single day

[supramax]

What if someone drinks excessively and gets behind the wheel of a car? Personal responsibility.

False equivalence.

[2nd_chance]

I'm sure the liberal government and liberal media will be all for that.

[TolerantLactose]

Don't refer to people as brain dead if you don't yourself understand the difference between obesity or diabetes as opposed to a virus.

In many places, there's little to no obligation for someone with HIV to disclose their status to partners or take precautions. Governmental agencies also track infection cases but not the individual.

Edit - More correct to say that govt does track individuals for contact tracing etc. but individuals can opt out.

The no-vaccers at some point will only have themselves to fear.

That's another way to say personal choice and responsibility.

[whatevergirl]

Didn’t sift through the thread but, I envision not being able to fly or attend conferences, concerts, etc without having some type of validation that you’ve received the vaccine. That said, I don’t wanna be first in line. lol The side effects sound a bit daunting.

[sy2502]

Interesting question of public good vs. individual rights. In general I'm on the side of individual rights, you should be free to do whatever you like as long as you're not harming someone else. Unfortunately vaccines fall into a strange category where individual refusal doesn't directly create much harm, but it creates harm in aggregate. My thinking is that for diseases that are likely to cause death or significant long term harm then mandatory vaccination with some reasonable exceptions is probably the way to go. Chickenpox vaccine should be likely be optional, Measles should probably be mandatory. For COVID-19, I think the incidence rate of Long Covid (permanent damage) and high fatality rate among the elderly means it's probably on the mandatory side. Civilization is always a trade off between the rights of the individual and the good of the group.

Sorry but your argument is nonsensical. There's no such thing as "public good". Society is made of individuals and certain things are good for certain individuals. What people like to call "public good" is simply the "good for some". Often it comes at the expense of the good of others, which we all know is immoral, so the justification for that abuse is to say "but it's for the common good".

[LWW]

Don't refer to people as brain dead if you don't yourself understand the difference between obesity or diabetes as opposed to a virus.

Exercise (and good eating) will get people through this virus, the dude that owns the gym I train at, his whole family got the Rona before Thanksgiving, he said because his whole family trains it wasn’t a big deal at all, he made a post on his FB that being strong was key, not masks and SDing.

Now look at the Rock the celebrity who has to sell himself as a brand, made it appear his family was about to die?????? Of course I always question the Rocks PED use, that alone could kill someone who has a virus???

[Cass40]

Don't refer to people as brain dead if you don't yourself understand the difference between obesity or diabetes as opposed to a virus.

If the government cared about public health, wouldn't they have a problem with mass production of food that makes us sick AF?

[mtpockets]

Exercise (and good eating) will get people through this virus, the dude that owns the gym I train at, his whole family got the Rona before Thanksgiving, he said because his whole family trains it wasn’t a big deal at all, he made a post on his FB that being strong was key, not masks and SDing.

Now look at the Rock the celebrity who has to sell himself as a brand, made it appear his family was about to die?????? Of course I always question the Rocks PED use, that alone could kill someone who has a virus???

You are starting to sound like a selfish little prick..


Not wearing a mask and not social distancing increases your risk of infection which increases your risk of infecting others..


So as long as you keep doing your pole dance in the back yard, fuk everyone else huh? Is that your approach?? if so, Yup. that's a selfish prick!


FWIW, many people, some of which don't train, get the virus and don't even have a sniffle. Here it is 10 months later.. Welcome to the pandemic short stuff!

[Cantplankwell]

Sorry but your argument is nonsensical. There's no such thing as "public good". Society is made of individuals and certain things are good for certain individuals. What people like to call "public good" is simply the "good for some". Often it comes at the expense of the good of others, which we all know is immoral, so the justification for that abuse is to say "but it's for the common good".

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We are not talking about a zoning bylaw review for a building development, a park, how to levy taxes for things like school boards or public transit etc.

This is a dire public health issue on an international level.

[Cass40]

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We are not talking about a zoning bylaw review for a building development, a park, how to levy taxes for things like school boards or public transit etc.

This is a dire public health issue on an international level.

Yes but closing places to exercise is not good for me or my health. However bars, hair salons, malls etc. etc. can be open. I don't need them for my health. I don't need to wax my eyebrows right now during a pandemic. However, those places are open whereas they make it very difficult for someone like me to exercise by closing almost all public places where I can do that.

How can you even thread someone's eyebrows being far away from them? Like yeah they care about public health..and then close some pull-up bars outside somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

Edit: lmao..can't even walk anymore ayyy.... I guess now everything's getting closed again.

Mayor closing all non essential operations. Walking, driving, travel on public transport, bikes, motorcycles and scooters are prohibited, other than for those undertaking essential activities.