Just lol @ cheating in college

[SaviorSelfJT]

Srs question for those who cheated their way through college, there seem to be many here.

What was even the point of going to college (srs)? Why not just save the time and money and wait 4 years and just lie about having gone to school and graduated?

[notbadnotbrad]

Srs question for those who cheated their way through college, there seem to be many here.

What was even the point of going to college (srs)? Why not just save the time and money and wait 4 years and just lie about having gone to school and graduated?

Companies do background checks which include an education verification where they literally contact the school and get confirmation you attended and graduated.

[verymuchalpha]

Srs question for those who cheated their way through college, there seem to be many here.

What was even the point of going to college (srs)? Why not just save the time and money and wait 4 years and just lie about having gone to school and graduated?

can't lie about that anymore. I've gotten background checks done on me for every job I held after graduating. Also, a lot of top tier entry-level jobs will contact the university to verify GPA if high GPA is a qualification requirement.

[SaviorSelfJT]

Companies do background checks which include an education verification where they literally contact the school and get confirmation you attended and graduated.

Maybe its industry dependent but that seems to be a very small minority of companies that do that. For the 1 in 100 companies that do that, just don't authorize it and apply somewhere else.

[jimbone21]

When you get out of college and work in an industry and happen to find a folder full of information about your top competitor, I hope you are smart enough to use that information for your company's benefit instead of childishly calling it "cheating" and passing on the opportunity. Almost all of what you are learning in college will be replaced with on-the-job knowledge and experience when you get a job.

brb Bill Gates "cheated" by buying out and bullying his competition
brb Steve Jobs "cheated" by marketing his crap to morons and selling them the same products every year with very little changes
brb Jeff Bezos "cheated" by paying off the government to restrict stores and make him be the only point of commerce

[notbadnotbrad]

Maybe its industry dependent but that seems to be a very small minority of companies that do that. For the 1 in 100 companies that do that, just don't authorize it and apply somewhere else.

Every company I’ve worked at has done a background check. I’ve worked at 4 now.

I think your 1 in 100 example is way off for any type of professional job where you work for a large, reputable organization.

[verymuchalpha]

Maybe its industry dependent but that seems to be a very small minority of companies that do that. For the 1 in 100 companies that do that, just don't authorize it and apply somewhere else.

It's not. Any reputable company will run a background check.

[Pterodactyl314]

Depends on the class

Cheat in art appreciation? Who cares
Cheat in electrical tradie school? RIP

[Visel]

Knew a guy who cheated in Computer Science courses. Seriously despised this loser. He "early-withdrawed" some courses, failed some, think it took him 6 or 7 years to graduate with a Bachelor's, which he blamed on his family's pressure to do ROTC / army stuff after I confronted him about it (and by proxy having no time for studying/sleep allegedly).

He'd ask me to sit next to him during exams to copy, send him copies of my code, etc. Never did any of that BS. Did explain topics to him in a way he'd hopefully digest it and implement it himself though.

If you're cheating in college, you're essentially lying about your ability to learn and implement the material, which is the whole freaking point of obtaining a Bachelor's degree. You're trying to convey to employers that you have a certain level of competency!

[AshWar]

This happened in my university




They must be ****ting bricks LOL

[verymuchalpha]

Knew a guy who cheated in Computer Science courses. Seriously despised this loser. He "early-withdrawed" some courses, failed some, think it took him 6 or 7 years to graduate with a Bachelor's, which he blamed on his family's pressure to do ROTC / army stuff after I confronted him about it (and by proxy having no time for studying/sleep allegedly).

He'd ask me to sit next to him during exams to copy, send him copies of my code, etc. Never did any of that BS. Did explain topics to him in a way he'd hopefully digest it and implement it himself though.

If you're cheating in college, you're essentially lying about your ability to learn and implement the material, which is the whole freaking point of obtaining a Bachelor's degree. You're trying to convey to employers that you have a certain level of competency!

I disagree. It depends on why you are cheating. If you have zero knowledge about the content and you're just cheating to pass, then yeah, you're an idiot because you will fail in the real world.

On the other hand, just lol at spending hours memorizing formulas like the black scholes just so you can say "yeah I didn't cheat!". You will never be asked to pull out chit from raw memory in the real world.

[Goodguy03]

Knew a guy who cheated in Computer Science courses. Seriously despised this loser. He "early-withdrawed" some courses, failed some, think it took him 6 or 7 years to graduate with a Bachelor's, which he blamed on his family's pressure to do ROTC / army stuff after I confronted him about it (and by proxy having no time for studying/sleep allegedly).

He'd ask me to sit next to him during exams to copy, send him copies of my code, etc. Never did any of that BS. Did explain topics to him in a way he'd hopefully digest it and implement it himself though.

If you're cheating in college, you're essentially lying about your ability to learn and implement the material, which is the whole freaking point of obtaining a Bachelor's degree. You're trying to convey to employers that you have a certain level of competency!

Im sure employers will be pleased to hear it took him 7 years to get a bachelors

[SaviorSelfJT]

Every company I’ve worked at has done a background check. I’ve worked at 4 now.

I think your 1 in 100 example is way off for any type of professional job where you work for a large, reputable organization.

It's not. Any reputable company will run a background check.

CS crew. I'm almost positive employers verifying degrees in this field doesn't happen often.

Knew a guy who cheated in Computer Science courses. Seriously despised this loser. He "early-withdrawed" some courses, failed some, think it took him 6 or 7 years to graduate with a Bachelor's, which he blamed on his family's pressure to do ROTC / army stuff after I confronted him about it (and by proxy having no time for studying/sleep allegedly).

He'd ask me to sit next to him during exams to copy, send him copies of my code, etc. Never did any of that BS. Did explain topics to him in a way he'd hopefully digest it and implement it himself though.

If you're cheating in college, you're essentially lying about your ability to learn and implement the material, which is the whole freaking point of obtaining a Bachelor's degree. You're trying to convey to employers that you have a certain level of competency!

Yeah, and I know from first hand experience what happens to people like him. He finally gets his degree, maybe gets some interviews and flops on the whiteboard question and doesn't get a relevant job. In the end all he did was waste 7 years and a bunch of money.

[Goodguy03]

This happened in my university




They must be ****ting bricks LOL

Must be some pretty damning evidence for 100 students to get busted

[billclintonnn]

I disagree. It depends on why you are cheating. If you have zero knowledge about the content and you're just cheating to pass, then yeah, you're an idiot because you will fail in the real world.

On the other hand, just lol at spending hours memorizing formulas like the black scholes just so you can say "yeah I didn't cheat!". You will never be asked to pull out chit from raw memory in the real world.

This. I suck in learning environments, but if a job shows me how to do it hands on I'll remember forever. Sitting in a class and learning isn't for everyone.

[AshWar]

Must be some pretty damning evidence for 100 students to get busted

IIRC the prof planted some fake solutions on Chegg or some other website, and almost all students just copied those answers cause the exam was from home.

[propreffered7]

I disagree. It depends on why you are cheating. If you have zero knowledge about the content and you're just cheating to "pass", then yeah, you're an idiot because you will fail in the real world.

On the other hand, just lol at spending hours memorizing formulas like the black scholes just so you can say "yeah I didn't cheat!".

I would agree there MAY be decent times for cheating. But its def. Usually inadequacy

Further, its def. NOT more efficient. Maybe in using it but not after

If i asked two students a question. One cheated, one did not

Student a: learned material, absorbed it, able to apply
Student b: did not, will have to scuttle to find the answer, may have to rely on someone else

One will know the answer, the other will not

Student b is def. Not more efficient. It is the opposite

[SaviorSelfJT]

IIRC the prof planted some fake solutions on Chegg or some other website, and almost all students just copied those answers cause the exam was from home.

A professor from my alma mater did that same exact thing with Chegg looool

He asked everyone to own up to it that did it and he would go easy on them. And if you didn't own up to it, he went in dry

[orangetide]

OP, you realize that a lot of rich, well-connected kids, the kind that end up as CEOs and on board of directors, cheat all the way through school and career?

They end up paying tutors the highest rates.

And everyone in online courses cheat nowadsys.

[verymuchalpha]

I would agree there MAY be decent times for cheating. But its def. Usually inadequacy

Further, its def. NOT more efficient. Maybe in using it but not after

If i asked two students a question. One cheated, one did not

Student a: learned material, absorbed it, able to apply
Student b: did not, will have to scuttle to find the answer, may have to rely on someone else

One will know the answer, the other will not

Student b is def. Not more efficient. It is the opposite

Let's be real, in what world will companies hire you straight out of university and expect you to perfectly apply academic concepts without on-the-job training?

[jimbone21]

If i asked two students a question. One cheated, one did not

Student a: learned material, absorbed it, able to apply
Student b: did not, will have to scuttle to find the answer, may have to rely on someone else

The answer is C: both students won't remember dick about their schooling 2 years into their career and technology/workplace/market changes often enough that you have to be constantly learning new tech and methods to keep up. brb relying on my college education 10 years into my career still. It is why after you have a job or two after college, your education section becomes a footnote to say that yes, you have a degree.

COLLEGE IS A SCAM, PEOPLE! Medical degrees are super important sure, but all these places that require "a college degree" that don't even require it to be in a specific field? GTFO. All of the State of IL is requiring college degrees for most of their state workers, yet it can be in anything.

Imagine making people go into debt for half of their remaining life to get a writ of employment, basically, that doesn't necessarily help you in the slightest bit with your work. I guess it doesn't matter to them since you'll be a public sector employee and the government will just erase your student loan debt after 10 years. Complete fkin circle jerk at the expense of the tax payers.

[AltarOfPlagues]

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t cheat.

College is a scam and it’s created a massive student loan debt bubble because society says you need college to succeed in life.

If I could go back to university I would try to cheat as much as humanly possible, kind of a way to stick it to the entire corrupt system.

brad you should never imagine that you're considered anything less than a paragon of mediocrity here.

that you also possess no personal code of ethics will come as no surprise to anyone who has read your threads.

you are the downfall of western manhood: personified.

[propreffered7]

Let's be real, in what world will companies hire you straight out of university and expect you to perfectly apply academic concepts without on-the-job training?

Yea, thats about the only answer to it tbh.

But it doesnt take away from the actual efficiency of this specific point, which is what youre talking about. Your take requires a lot of assumptions

What is more likely is that same student is more efficient elsewhere as well

Not 100% but given what we know, yes. And the other less efficient

[notbadnotbrad]

brad you should never imagine that you're considered anything less than a paragon of mediocrity here.

that you also possess no personal code of ethics will come as no surprise to anyone who has read your threads.

you are the downfall of western manhood: personified.

Not sure if srs

[Goodguy03]

brad you should never imagine that you're considered anything less than a paragon of mediocrity here.

that you also possess no personal code of ethics will come as no surprise to anyone who has read your threads.

you are the downfall of western manhood: personified.

LOL measly reps

[GiveMeTheD]

Only cheating themselves

[DrumsNotDead]

I find it funny the misc seems to support cheating when it's stealing which is something most miscers don't support. I understand that everyone has cheated in some capacity in life and we're not talking about small edge cases, but to sit there and willingly not do any of the work or studying for the entire term, then to have the audacity to ask me to help you cheat or to assume you can just look at my work and get the same grade is robbing me of time and effort. If I spent the time and effort to learn the material to get an A and then you come in and cheat off me and receive the same score you have lowered the value of my score and effectively told me my time wasn't as valuable as yours. If you come in and Ace it with no effort because you can do it on your own more power to you, but imagine for a second in your real job that you did 100% of the work for some project and then someone else you know didn't do anything gets the same praise and rewards for your own work. You'd ****ing hate that dude even if it was the "smart" choice in his position to cheat or act as if he did something. I've always treated school like a job, you're not getting any credit for work that I did if you didn't at least help or try to help. Obviously not all cases are the same, but in general it's dumb to cheat and using the argument that college is a scam is pretty stupid when you willingly chose to go there and adhere to their rules then complain later that it's a scam all the while making it more scam like by lowering the value of grades, assessments and degrees through acts of deceit.

[jimbone21]

Only cheating themselves

teacher: "OK students, on today's test you will be able to use your book and your notes if you'd like"
givemethed: "No thanks, ma'am. I'd only be cheating myself."

[Goodguy03]

teacher: "OK students, on today's test you will be able to use your book and your notes if you'd like"
givemethed: "No thanks, ma'am. I'd only be cheating myself."

well open book tests are a completely different scenario

[gore313]

I have paid essaybrah four times for his services, u mad?