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    NFL Offensive/Defensive Rookies of the Year?

    Offensive:
    1) Justin Herbert
    2) Antonio Gibson
    3) Justin Jefferson
    4) Clyde Edwards-Helaire
    5) Tee Higgins

    Honorable) Joe Burrow

    Defensive:
    1) Julian Blackmon
    2) Chase Young
    3) Antoine Winfield
    4) Patrick Queen
    5) Jaylon Johnson?

    I'll admit that I haven't followed the defensive guys as much this year.

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    Herbert for offensive ROTY
    Chinn for defensive ROTY
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    OROY - Joe Burrow
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    Herbert is gonna get OROTY by default cause of Burrows injury.

    I feel like Chase Young still has enough hype behind him to win, even if the numbers aren't there. There hasn't been a standout defensive rookie either. Winfield may be the second place finisher
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    Herbert is going to be hard to beat especially if he matches his current production. Burrow probably would have won if he didn’t get injured. Jefferson has been the most impressive IMO but a QB will always get it comes down to it.

    No clue about the defensive side. Javon Kinlaw is starting to put it altogether but it would be too hard for a DT to get it as they typically don’t put together a lot of stats. He also got off to a slow start.

    What about the Gladney kid? I thought I heard he was doing good.
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    jefferson should win it but it'll be herbert
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    Originally Posted by HockeyBacon18 View Post
    Herbert is gonna get OROTY by default cause of Burrows injury.

    I feel like Chase Young still has enough hype behind him to win, even if the numbers aren't there. There hasn't been a standout defensive rookie either. Winfield may be the second place finisher
    Would’ve won even if Burrow didn’t get hurt
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    Originally Posted by Madvillainy View Post
    jefferson should win it but it'll be herbert
    Good point, not fukn srs

    “Herbert’s historic season is far from done. The Chargers (3-7) have six games remaining and Herbert is on a pace to set NFL all-time single-season records for a rookie quarterback. He has a chance to set NFL all-time single-season rookie records for completions, passing yards and touchdown passes.”

    This was before his average game vs Buffalo, yes
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    Herbert is OROY runaway.

    DROY I like Winfield. but if chase young gets a few more sacks to close out the year I think he will take it
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    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    Good point, not fukn srs

    “Herbert’s historic season is far from done. The Chargers (3-7) have six games remaining and Herbert is on a pace to set NFL all-time single-season records for a rookie quarterback. He has a chance to set NFL all-time single-season rookie records for completions, passing yards and touchdown passes.”

    This was before his average game vs Buffalo, yes
    jefferson is on pace for the 3rd most rookie receiving yards of all time, ahead of moss and behind boldin and bill groman in 1960.

    he's also having one of the most efficient receiving seasons of all time. he's 4th all time in yards per target in a season, not just among rookies.

    herbert has been amazing for a rookie but he's not among the best QBs in the league yet. jefferson is among the best receivers in the league for his play this season.
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    A QB should always win over another position honestly due to the difficult learning curve, pressure, etc.


    But Justin Jefferson is the most fun to watch imo. So fuking smooth. Reminds me of Marvin Harrison. Definitely going to make some all pro teams.
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    Vikings fans arguing with 49ers fans over who should win OROY is like sports misc's very own version of the special olympics.
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    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    Would’ve won even if Burrow didn’t get hurt
    im not saying Burrow would of won, but it he would of made it a debate.
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    Lmao at people who think Burrow is more deserving or would have been close. Herbert is miles better than him.
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    Originally Posted by Madvillainy View Post
    jefferson is on pace for the 3rd most rookie receiving yards of all time, ahead of moss and behind boldin and bill groman in 1960.

    he's also having one of the most efficient receiving seasons of all time. he's 4th all time in yards per target in a season, not just among rookies.

    herbert has been amazing for a rookie but he's not among the best QBs in the league yet. jefferson is among the best receivers in the league for his play this season.
    Your argument is that Rookie who's the third best in history is more deserving than a rookie who's going to break historic records? Strong logic there breh.

    Using the rest of the field isn't a good metric, QB is currently stacked at tier 1 and then nosedives. Herbert is putting together a potentially better season than Andrew Luck's rookie year which is phenomenal.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    Vikings fans arguing with 49ers fans over who should win OROY is like sports misc's very own version of the special olympics.
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    Your argument is that Rookie who's the third best in history is more deserving than a rookie who's going to break historic records? Strong logic there breh.

    Using the rest of the field isn't a good metric, QB is currently stacked at tier 1 and then nosedives. Herbert is putting together a potentially better season than Andrew Luck's rookie year which is phenomenal.
    it's apples to oranges as a comparison for QB vs. WR rookies.

    there have only been 19 rookie QBs to start 16 games in their rookie year, and herbert is just the 79th rookie QB to get 10 starts, and that's since 1950.

    and not only that but QB usage for rookies has completely changed in the last decade. of the 22 rookie QB seasons throwing for 3,000+ passing yards (which Herbert just went over last game), 18 of them have been since 2010. the only ones that weren't were:

    2008 matt ryan (11th)
    1998 peyton manning (5th)
    1986 jim kelly (9th)
    1984 warren moon (14th)

    rookie QB stats aren't competing against NFL history as much as it is competing against recent rookie QBs.

    for receivers there's no real way to figure it out by starts, but since targets became a thing, 55+ targets is usually around what the 64th receiver in the league gets (simulation of a starting WR on the 32 teams). 181 rookie receivers have hit that target mark since targets started being recorded in 1992, and 232 players overall have hit that target mark. 299 rookie WRs have hit 30 receptions since 1950, which is a rough estimation of the low-end of catches a starting WR would get, although underselling it due to less teams and games in earlier NFL history.

    the seasons played for the current top 10 in rookie receiving yards are:

    1960
    2003
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    2014
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    2004
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    all over the map.
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    Vikings fans arguing with 49ers fans over who should win OROY is like sports misc's very own version of the special olympics.
    Remember when you said Jameis was a good QB?

    Or how about let’s talk about how you bandwagon a different team every season?


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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Remember when you said Jameis was a good QB?
    Congrats to your hero for finally tying Jameis in MNF wins.

    Or how about let’s talk about how you bandwagon a different team every season?


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    I've been a Chiefs fan since they drafted Patrick Mahomes. Well over 3 years ago.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    Congrats to your hero for finally tying Jameis in MNF wins.



    I've been a Chiefs fan since they drafted Patrick Mahomes. Well over 3 years ago. Learn how to count something besides the 5 follicles left on your scalp, Jman.
    “I’ve been a chiefs fan since they drafted Patrick Mahomes” lmao you’re no different than any of the 10 year olds who wear a Mahomes jersey to school everyday.

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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Nobody actually believes that, so why are you saying it? Why don’t you take some more propecia you worthless sewer rat. Then go find your dad because obviously something is wrong in your life if you post like a sexually-frustrated female all the time.
    JmantheBaldman meltdown on full display here. Ya hate to see it.


    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    “I’ve been a chiefs fan since they drafted Patrick Mahomes” lmao you’re no different than any of the 10 year olds who wear a Mahomes jersey to school everyday.

    Pathetic.
    Sorry my guy cucked your overrated team in the Super Bowl last year. You'll get over it.
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    JmantheBaldman meltdown on full display here. Ya hate to see it.




    Sorry my guy cucked your overrated team in the Super Bowl last year. You'll get over it.
    Your life must be pretty uneventful if thats a meltdown to you!

    Now go brag about winning some $7 parlays some more ya hack LMAO
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    JmantheBaldman meltdown on full display here. Ya hate to see it.




    Sorry my guy cucked your overrated team in the Super Bowl last year. You'll get over it.
    You’re Jackson Mahomes, it all makes sense now lmao

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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Your life must be pretty uneventful if thats a meltdown to you!

    Now go brag about winning some $7 parlays some more ya hack LMAO
    ???
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    ???
    You posted a $7 bet as proof of winning “so much money” off the 49ers in the 2019 playoffs.

    Tldr: you’re a broke ass and you don’t even lift
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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    You posted a $7 bet as proof of winning “so much money” off the 49ers in the 2019 playoffs.

    Tldr: you’re a broke ass and you don’t even lift




    I don't see any $7 parlays here. That propecia is messing with your memory.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post




    I don't see any $7 parlays here. That propecia is messing with your memory.
    Damn you’re more poor than I thought

    No wonder Future24 always makes fun of you
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    jefferson is on pace for the 3rd most rookie receiving yards of all time, ahead of moss and behind boldin and bill groman in 1960.

    he's also having one of the most efficient receiving seasons of all time. he's 4th all time in yards per target in a season, not just among rookies.

    herbert has been amazing for a rookie but he's not among the best QBs in the league yet. jefferson is among the best receivers in the league for his play this season.
    I like Jefferson but in no world is a rookie WR winning ROTY over a QB who is putting up stats like Herbert is unless it's a Randy Moss type season.
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