Easily explicable, IMO, via scientific illiteracy and ideological fervour.
But I don't care at all for OP's "Religion bad, science good" narrative that he likes to peddle around here, which is childish and obsolete. Any decently trained scholar could bodyslam that pop-tier dialectic with ease.
|
-
11-28-2020, 09:37 PM #61Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
-
11-28-2020, 09:38 PM #62
- Join Date: Aug 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 23,196
- Rep Power: 46954
-
11-28-2020, 09:43 PM #63
Still very unclear what you are saying, but facts are not dependent on what humans are doing with them or what they are building upon them....they are just facts. I mean the concept of evolution has been very useful in unifying the entire subject of biology in a practical manner....but that’s besides the point.
∫∫ Mathematics crew ∑∑
♫1:2:3:4 Pythagoras crew ♫ ♫ 🧮
-
11-28-2020, 09:46 PM #64
-
11-28-2020, 09:48 PM #65
-
11-28-2020, 09:50 PM #66
Not in the same way we test and verify things other things. How can you verify something when that process occurred 100,000 years ago? Most of the evidence is long gone. We can try and piece together the remnant of evidence but we cannot challenge things like we do with other processes (i.e. cell culture, animal experimentation, finding ways of analyzing and testing the processes as they occur in various ways, etc). To hold this evidence as if it matches other scientific endeavors is nonsense IMO. A little humility is in order.
-
11-28-2020, 09:51 PM #67
I think the hyper-religiosity of the USA has led many americans to be unable to rationally interpret the universe. They seem incredibly gullible to misinformation, as we see with regards to their elections, climate change, etc. They have created an apparatus for all-kinds of mental gymnastics which allow them to believe all kinds of nonsense and close their eyes to scientific facts
-
11-28-2020, 09:52 PM #68
-
11-28-2020, 09:55 PM #69
-
11-28-2020, 09:57 PM #70
-
11-28-2020, 09:59 PM #71
- Join Date: Aug 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 23,196
- Rep Power: 46954
-
11-28-2020, 10:02 PM #72
- Join Date: Aug 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 23,196
- Rep Power: 46954
-
11-28-2020, 10:03 PM #73
No, humility isn’t in order. The evidence for macro evolutionary processes — which is what you seem to be getting at — is overwhelming in every sense of the word. There are quite literally millions of independent pieces of evidence, along with an incredibly strong theoretical framework to support evolution from common descent and monophyletic origins. It is the single most tested and well-supported scientific paradigm that exists, period.
"Seen in the light of evolution, biology is, perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science. Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts -- some of them interesting or curious but making no meaningful picture as a whole."
-
11-28-2020, 10:03 PM #74
-
11-28-2020, 10:06 PM #75
-
11-28-2020, 10:06 PM #76
-
11-28-2020, 10:07 PM #77
-
11-28-2020, 10:14 PM #78
-
11-28-2020, 10:14 PM #79
- Join Date: Aug 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 23,196
- Rep Power: 46954
-
11-28-2020, 10:21 PM #80
-
11-28-2020, 10:29 PM #81
-
11-28-2020, 10:34 PM #82
-
11-28-2020, 10:35 PM #83
-
11-28-2020, 10:38 PM #84
Tested all the time in biological research.
Evolution makes all kinds of predications that are confirmed routinely..
To name a few ways,
-In the big picture, it predicts a general trend if simpler organisms in the fossil record during earlier epochs, with a gradual shift towards more complex organisms making appearances later in the fossil record (more recent history). This has been overwhelmingly observed.
-It predicts transitional forms in the fossil record, be it from reptiles to birds, fish to amphibians, or land mammals to whales, and not just transitional forms existing, but ones to be found in relatively narrow historical intervals....amazingly this prediction has been met with remarkable success given the rarity of fossilization.
-It predicts vestiges from vistigial eyes to wings in flightless birds, to hind-limbs and pelvic bones in whales, to the appendix in humans. There are countless examples of this.
-It predicts specific trends in geographical diversity of life, from adaptive radiation to the types of organisms native to, say oceanic islands (usually plant, bird, and insect species, and not land mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and freshwater fish....hmm wonder why, the latter have a very hard time bridging the ocean)
-It predicts the presence of pseudogenes, which have been confirmed over and over in various species (a famous one, non-functional gulonolactone oxidase pseudogene in humans makes it impossible to synthesize ascorbic acid, or vitamin C, from glucose).
-It predicts examples of bad design in species, in the sense we find examples, from say anatomy, that have no explanation under a “designer”. But it makes perfect sense under evolution in the sense that species evolve from earlier species- they build off pre-existing templates.
-It predicts we might be able to trace the history of animal evolution in the course of one pregnancy from embryo to fetus to birth...and indeed we do see this.
-It predicts precise relationships in the genomes among related species...which we see all over the place from actual DNA sequenced in the lab.
Could go on, but the point is clear. Evolution is associated with all sorts of accurate predictions.
Again this thread is not meant to be a debate about evolution....no one is debating whether this occurred in scientific circles. It is a question of why people don’t seem to want to consider the evidence for whatever reason. It’s not even meant to be a science-vs-religion thread regarding the fact of evolution. Religion, however, is related to the OP in that there definitely seems to be a correlation between religious belief and belief in special creation. Even in this very thread, you see posters who typically seem pro-religious being critical of it all, probably with little background in any of it....if anything supporting the idea that religion is a prominent factor here.∫∫ Mathematics crew ∑∑
♫1:2:3:4 Pythagoras crew ♫ ♫ 🧮
-
11-28-2020, 10:41 PM #85
- Join Date: Aug 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 23,196
- Rep Power: 46954
-
11-28-2020, 10:45 PM #86
-
11-28-2020, 10:47 PM #87
Because every man is not a 6'4 gigachad.
Everywhere we go, we see manlets, submanlets, hermaphrodites, incels who can't even grow full beards etc etcPlanes were flying in 60,000BC and interstellar space travel was popular in 48,000BC
Extraterrestrials arrive on Earth in 2021 and insist they received powerful signals from Earth circa 260,000 years ago.
*Never-trust-a-nation-with-no-immigration-control Crew
*Circumcised-as-a-newborn-or-maybe-as-an-infant Crew
*Aspiring Sasquatch Crew*
*All-natural-male Crew*
*1/4 Syrian Crew*
#ThirdWorldWarCrew
-
11-28-2020, 10:47 PM #88
-
11-28-2020, 10:48 PM #89
- Join Date: Aug 2006
- Location: United States
- Posts: 23,196
- Rep Power: 46954
-
11-28-2020, 10:48 PM #90
Bookmarks