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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    Did you also order the Kre-alkalyn? If not, order a creatine monohydrate instead. If you already did then order a creatine monohydrate next time. Much more cost effective and actually well researched and effective.
    A creatine load is a creatine load
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    Originally Posted by MaDFroG88 View Post
    I ordered efx kre-alkalyn 120 caps because with eaa and whey I have two powders already. Unfortunately its on an international backorder with a bodybuilding t-shirt.
    Kre-Alkalyn is perfectly fine, just make sure to dose it daily
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Kre-Alkalyn is perfectly fine, just make sure to dose it daily
    Or spend a fraction of the price and achieve the same benefits. Creatine monohydrate has been studied extensively and found to work. Kre-Alykaline not so much.
    https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...1550-2783-9-43

    Conclusions

    Neither manufacturers recommended doses of KA (1.5 g/d) or KA with equivalent loading (20 g/d for 7-days) and maintenance doses (5 g/d for 21-days) of CrM promoted greater changes in muscle creatine content, body composition, strength, or anaerobic capacity than CrM (20 g/d for 7-days, 5 g/d for 21-days). There was no evidence that supplementing the diet with a buffered form of creatine resulted in fewer side effects than CrM. These findings do not support claims that consuming a buffered form of creatine is a more efficacious and/or safer form of creatine to consume than creatine monohydrate.
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    Originally Posted by Jeff the Repper View Post
    We never sold them as a straight supplement, but there were a few time they were added into some specialty products IIRC. They are still more expensive per gram than a scoop of protein power. As an FYI company is still in business, just been a bit of a $hit show getting things back up and running. More news on that before the end of the year me thinks.
    I was curious about this. I was trying to find products. I remember back in the day liking your stuff. Anyway I’ll stay tuned.


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    Originally Posted by Raigs View Post
    I was curious about this. I was trying to find products. I remember back in the day liking your stuff. Anyway I’ll stay tuned.


    I enjoy EAA products specifically BPI or EVL

    If your a higher level athlete or highly active person plus you workout. It would be a benefit.
    No it will not. More != beneficial. It's just more.
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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    No it will not. More != beneficial. It's just more.
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    Or spend a fraction of the price and achieve the same benefits. Creatine monohydrate has been studied extensively and found to work. Kre-Alykaline not so much.
    https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...1550-2783-9-43

    Conclusions

    Neither manufacturers recommended doses of KA (1.5 g/d) or KA with equivalent loading (20 g/d for 7-days) and maintenance doses (5 g/d for 21-days) of CrM promoted greater changes in muscle creatine content, body composition, strength, or anaerobic capacity than CrM (20 g/d for 7-days, 5 g/d for 21-days). There was no evidence that supplementing the diet with a buffered form of creatine resulted in fewer side effects than CrM. These findings do not support claims that consuming a buffered form of creatine is a more efficacious and/or safer form of creatine to consume than creatine monohydrate.
    Have you used Kre-Alkalyn?
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Have you used Kre-Alkalyn?
    Yea like 10+ years ago when it was new and cool. Now there's research, clearly stating it doesn't do anything that a simple monohydrate also does. I've used monohydrate for as long as I can remember now and don't see any point on spending more to achieve the same results. If you want to spend more to get to the same place that's your business but I don't know why anyone else would.
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Kre-Alkalyn is perfectly fine, just make sure to dose it daily
    1 pill before workout 1 after for people like myself below 175 pounds. 120 caps for 2 months! But I have no idea how long will I have to wait until items are back in stock... especially that bodybuiding.com shirt!
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    Originally Posted by MaDFroG88 View Post
    1 pill before workout 1 after for people like myself below 175 pounds. 120 caps for 2 months! But I have no idea how long will I have to wait until items are back in stock... especially that bodybuiding.com shirt!
    as an FYI that is not enough creatine to maintain saturation let alone get you to your saturation point. 5 grams a day for 4 weeks after which point you can drop to about 20 grams a week for maintenance. kre-alk caps are 750mg per cap so you might want to check your math
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    Just dropping some Christmas cheer. oh BTW, this stuff has a legit patent



    Twenty-four elite athletes from the Bulgarian National Weightlifting Team† were selected to participate in a double-blind clinical study(1) comparing Kre Alkalyn to standard creatine monohydrate.

    After 60 days, the Kre-Alkalyn® group (using 7.5 g per day) experienced an overall average strength increase of 28.25% above those in the unbuffered creatine monohydrate group!
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    Originally Posted by ILPump View Post
    Just dropping some Christmas cheer. oh BTW, this stuff has a legit patent



    Twenty-four elite athletes from the Bulgarian National Weightlifting Team† were selected to participate in a double-blind clinical study(1) comparing Kre Alkalyn to standard creatine monohydrate.

    After 60 days, the Kre-Alkalyn® group (using 7.5 g per day) experienced an overall average strength increase of 28.25% above those in the unbuffered creatine monohydrate group!
    I hope you are joking dude... funded "study" no doubt
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    Originally Posted by ILPump View Post
    Just dropping some Christmas cheer. oh BTW, this stuff has a legit patent



    Twenty-four elite athletes from the Bulgarian National Weightlifting Team† were selected to participate in a double-blind clinical study(1) comparing Kre Alkalyn to standard creatine monohydrate.

    After 60 days, the Kre-Alkalyn® group (using 7.5 g per day) experienced an overall average strength increase of 28.25% above those in the unbuffered creatine monohydrate group!
    Can you post the study, given their experience and assumed high totals I'm guessing this is going to show something like a 1-2lb variation between the groups. Sounds exactly like the kind of things supplement companies love to use to show high percentages.

    Edit: Pretty interesting that searching for that study in google brings nothing but links to supplement sites selling the product and a search on google scholar yields no results. It appears to be reference in several studies which found no difference between Kre alkalyn and monohydrate but the actual article is no where to be found. I'll leave that up to anyone who feels like thinking about it...Fug if you want to produce the actual study that would be great, best guess is it isn't peer reviewed and will appear in no journal.
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    Originally Posted by Jeff the Repper View Post
    as an FYI that is not enough creatine to maintain saturation let alone get you to your saturation point. 5 grams a day for 4 weeks after which point you can drop to about 20 grams a week for maintenance. kre-alk caps are 750mg per cap so you might want to check your math
    Directions For Kre-Alkalyn EFX: For Capsules: As a food supplement, take 1 capsule 30 minutes prior to workout and 1 capsule right after workout.
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    Originally Posted by MaDFroG88 View Post
    1 pill before workout 1 after for people like myself below 175 pounds. 120 caps for 2 months! But I have no idea how long will I have to wait until items are back in stock... especially that bodybuiding.com shirt!
    Try 2 caps pre, and 2 caps post. I've used it numerous times, and it never bloats my stomach like straight monohydrate does
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    I hope you are joking dude... funded "study" no doubt
    Its not easy top obtain a patent, you gotta give him credit
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    Its not easy top obtain a patent, you gotta give him credit
    They obtained a patent using a dosing protocol of 7.5g per day and sell the product at 1.5g/day while advertising the effects of the 7.5g/day. Shady supplement marketing as usual in this industry. Still waiting for the actual study to be posted since its likely just as big of a joke.
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    They obtained a patent using a dosing protocol of 7.5g per day and sell the product at 1.5g/day while advertising the effects of the 7.5g/day. Shady supplement marketing as usual in this industry. Still waiting for the actual study to be posted since its likely just as big of a joke.
    Its real simple, if you don't like the product buy another
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    Originally Posted by MaDFroG88 View Post
    Directions For Kre-Alkalyn EFX: For Capsules: As a food supplement, take 1 capsule 30 minutes prior to workout and 1 capsule right after workout.
    It’s not like I wrote the dosage on the websites. Amazon.com and bodybuilding.com
    I am trying to give you good advice about a product you are using. the bottle dosage is ridiculous, both for the fact that creatine has no acute effect and that the recommended dosing is WAY under what it should be ( unless you work out twice a day, every day ) with the recommended dosage you are not going to get all the benefits from a supplement you are paying a premium for. A bit of track the original question but as you see there are forum members here that took the time to address the issue to get you some proper information. good luck with your goals
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    Its real simple, if you don't like the product buy another
    I will continue to do so, I will also continue to provide accurate and important information to people asking questions or interested in products. You can continue to shill away and ignore basic science/studies etc.
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    Originally Posted by Jeff the Repper View Post
    I am trying to give you good advice about a product you are using. the bottle dosage is ridiculous, both for the fact that creatine has no acute effect and that the recommended dosing is WAY under what it should be ( unless you work out twice a day, every day ) with the recommended dosage you are not going to get all the benefits from a supplement you are paying a premium for. A bit of track the original question but as you see there are forum members here that took the time to address the issue to get you some proper information. good luck with your goals
    Thanks i will try it your way then, hopefully it will arrive before christmas lol.
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    Bro, stop pretending like you lift
    Stop pretending like you actually know what you're talking about. Seriously, just try it bro.
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    Can you post the study, given their experience and assumed high totals I'm guessing this is going to show something like a 1-2lb variation between the groups. Sounds exactly like the kind of things supplement companies love to use to show high percentages.

    Edit: Pretty interesting that searching for that study in google brings nothing but links to supplement sites selling the product and a search on google scholar yields no results. It appears to be reference in several studies which found no difference between Kre alkalyn and monohydrate but the actual article is no where to be found. I'll leave that up to anyone who feels like thinking about it...Fug if you want to produce the actual study that would be great, best guess is it isn't peer reviewed and will appear in no journal.
    Also would very much like to see the link and data for this "study".

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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    I will continue to do so, I will also continue to provide accurate and important information to people asking questions or interested in products. You can continue to shill away and ignore basic science/studies etc.
    This thread wouldn't have any info unless I posted Also, I can make it hit 10k, you can't
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    This thread wouldn't have any info unless I posted Also, I can make it hit 10k, you can't
    Safe to assume you won't be producing the study then?
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    Safe to assume you won't be producing the study then?
    It’s probably been verified by Chromadex which, if you remember, means it’ll never see the light of day because reasons.
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    Safe to assume you won't be producing the study then?
    Contact the company, I'm sure they would be happy to share it
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    Safe to assume you won't be producing the study then?
    You know the liars aren't going to do that

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    Just dropping some Christmas cheer. oh BTW, this stuff has a legit patent



    Twenty-four elite athletes from the Bulgarian National Weightlifting Team† were selected to participate in a double-blind clinical study(1) comparing Kre Alkalyn to standard creatine monohydrate.

    After 60 days, the Kre-Alkalyn® group (using 7.5 g per day) experienced an overall average strength increase of 28.25% above those in the unbuffered creatine monohydrate group!
    We'll take a link to this supposed study anytime fug

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