Johns Hopkins pulls published paper showing excess lockdown deaths counted as covid

[poison]

https://web.archive.org/web/20201122...ue-to-covid-19

Luckily the internet is forever. Enjoy.

[frankdtank20]

I'd love to see the data up more closely. The huge graph showing 7 years is so cluttered and not helpful. We've been told at the finish of September there were 205K excess US deaths this year related to Covid. Makes me wonder if they're not playing a shell game with the numbers and rhetoric. Was all cause mortality really up over 205K as of the end of September compared to other years or are deaths merely 205K higher than the CDC's "projected" numbers? Because those are NOT the same thing. Projected numbers which they seem to only publish afterward (so how is that a projection and not playing Captain Hindsight?). Seeing the data with all cause mortality is the key. I tried Googling and went in a circle.

[Paul Kreul]

In 2020, there’s no increase in overall deaths. Covid has decreased every other type of death. To summarize, more covid and less everything else equals same as always.

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19 - The Johns Hopkins News-Letter

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126...ue-to-covid-19

[LizzieTish]

https://web.archive.org/web/20201122...ue-to-covid-19

Luckily the internet is forever. Enjoy.

Look at the numerous attempts in their "update" at damage control, spin they used to weasel out of this:

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19

..."has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media."

..."and our decision to retract this article was made independently."

..."Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19"

attempt to discredit:

"As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S."

The entire paragraph preceding this sentence come off as a desperate arm-flailing to shut down any realizing of CDC/WHO/JHU's monumental lies:

"an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers."

Looks like these are raw numbers to me:



Look at this glaringly obvious backpedaling and "explaining it all away":

"Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus."

The correct, and NON "fact checked" (read: Flipping 180 degrees it's counter-NARRATIVE factual analysis) GENEVIEVE BRIAND's, unmolested report is so significant it should be printed out and people in every state should get this over to their State reps and Governors (regardless that they are corrupt) put them on notice that WE KNOW this "pandemic" as we're told, is a LIE.

[poison]

That's ridiculous.

[HaiMeesk]

Always love reading the comments section on these college publications. Shows how when these academic elite kids enter the real world as adults and see how it really works, they become just as jaded as low-tier miscer plebes.

[JoshSP1985]

Truth over facts

[frankdtank20]

I look forward to us finally finding out early 2021. Without Covid, total deaths should have been 2.93 Million in 2020. The lockdowns caused over 100K extra deaths by themselves, bringing the total to over 3 million before one Covid death. When all is said and done there will be only room for 30-80K deaths to be placed directly on this coronavirus, but the CDC will be declaring 350K died from it. Only furthering the reality that most people died WITH Covid, not FROM Covid, or Covid killed them just weeks before their expiration date was due without it.

[p100]

I'm glad to see John Hopkins students ****ting all over this scamdemic. Gives me hope that there will be a big swing back towards conservative values in 15-20 years.

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

Lol. John's Hopkins has back-pedaled other studies in a similar fashion. The one about tranny children being classified as child abuse victims was particularly funny.

[frankdtank20]

The US had been averaging 40,000 more deaths every year for a decade due to its quickly ageing population. Now that we're getting to the end of 2020, the CDC is trying to say we would have gone backwards and had the least deaths we've had in years in 2020 if it weren't for that pesky Covid. With a fast ageing population......riiiiiiight. This is how death numbers get padded in the end and they save some face when the math doesn't add up.

[tyqb4]

Only furthering the reality that most people died WITH Covid, not FROM Covid, or Covid killed them just weeks before their expiration date was due without it.

what is your definition of with/from? somebody could be old, obese and have heart disease but live a mostly normal life. if they get covid and die, that seems like a pretty clear cut "from".

even for the less clear cases, there's already a small population of people with "weeks" to live. it's pretty unlikely for them to catch covid, die while having covid, get tested, have the test come back as positive and then also have the death misattributed to covid.

link for lockdown being directly responsible for 100k deaths? I find that hard to believe.

[frankdtank20]

what is your definition of with/from? somebody could be old, obese and have heart disease but live a mostly normal life. if they get covid and die, that seems like a pretty clear cut "from".

even for the less clear cases, there's already a small population of people with "weeks" to live. it's pretty unlikely for them to catch covid, die while having covid, get tested, have the test come back as positive and then also have the death misattributed to covid.

link for lockdown being directly responsible for 100k deaths? I find that hard to believe.

People are dying clearly from other causes, but if they also test positive for Covid, they are listed as a Covid death. Depending on how you define average (median or mean), the average time a nursing home patient lives after moving to one is 5 or 14 months:
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98...eight%20months.

Not sure where we're at now, but in the summer over 40% of all Covid deaths were people from nursing homes. Another 20-25% of deaths were the same demographic simply receiving their care at home instead of the nursing home. You don't realize how many homes have an elderly person sitting in a hospital bed all day until you see it firsthand.

Then there's a hospice patient at home. End stage renal disease, long standing diabetes, 20 other serious diagnosis, has lost 30 pounds in 6 months. Tested negative a month ago. They now test positive, they die 15 days later. Covid death. I know several people who work for hospice organizations. Over a million Americans a year go through hospice.

Then there is the more extreme example like an obese chain smoker with COPD that falls off a ladder, dies within a day at the hospital. 84 yr old man falls and hits his head hard, dies of internal hemorrhaging. Test reveals he also had Covid. Both are Covid deaths.

Dying WITH Covid. Not FROM Covid. Sure there are plenty of gray areas, where it's unknown, and some where it's definitely known they died of Covid. I'm not even going to delve down the 6% figure, where only 6% of Covid deaths have only Covid listed, for the rest it's several comorbidities. Doesn't mean only 6% of Covid listed deaths are from Covid, but it also means it sure as chit is far from 100% too.

I've got more.

[poison]

I'm glad to see John Hopkins students ****ting all over this scamdemic. Gives me hope that there will be a big swing back towards conservative values in 15-20 years.

I sure hope so.

[swimmer32]

Let's be clear, this was published in a STUDENT paper, by and ADJUNCT professor. The article states that there are no excess deaths in 2020, which is absolutely false. If you want to believe this article after those, then more power to you.

[badreligion]

what is your definition of with/from? somebody could be old, obese and have heart disease but live a mostly normal life. if they get covid and die, that seems like a pretty clear cut "from".

even for the less clear cases, there's already a small population of people with "weeks" to live. it's pretty unlikely for them to catch covid, die while having covid, get tested, have the test come back as positive and then also have the death misattributed to covid.

link for lockdown being directly responsible for 100k deaths? I find that hard to believe.

Died from Covid means that was the cause, they had no co morbidities, Died with means they had co morbidities that Covid made worse. The tests being used are highly unreliable, the PCR tests, even the creator of them said they aren't meant to be a diagnostic tool.

[Jhamaican]

this particular publication failed to follow the narrative.

Shut it down!

[5x10]

I don’t think her #s were right

This cdc excess death charts clearly shows covid’s impact , in excess of the average (brown line)

[frankdtank20]

I don’t think her #s were right

This cdc excess death charts clearly shows covid’s impact , in excess of the average (brown line)

This is where word play comes in. Extra deaths are not the same as 'excess' deaths. The excess deaths assumes not only would the decade long 40,000 yearly increase in deaths have stopped in 2020, we'd have gone back years with tens of thousands of deaths than 2019. Extra deaths are simply the difference in total deaths from 2019 to 2020, which are headed to be noticeably less than classified Covid deaths. The natural increase of 40K is disregarded. I've gone into numbers elsewhere, but let's just say a ton of those extra deaths (looking like 220-250K at year end) are from the effects of lockdowns. People not seeking care, not getting diagnosed, suicides, tons of other killers from lockdowns. The 'excess' deaths you're hearing about assumes 2020 would've had the same number of deaths as 2016, while we have a rapidly ageing population.

The extra deaths are the final score when the Packers beat the Lions.
The excess deaths you see and hear about are an analyst's prediction how much more The Packers would have won if they hadn't lost several of their starters to injury in the first quarter.

aka, those numbers given in hindsight about 2020 are slightly lower for the same weeks of 2018-19. It's hard to notice on a graph where the numbers are large.

[5x10]

This is where word play comes in. Extra deaths are not the same as 'excess' deaths. The excess deaths assumes not only would the decade long 40,000 yearly increase in deaths have stopped in 2020, we'd have gone back years with tens of thousands of deaths than 2019. Extra deaths are simply the difference in total deaths from 2019 to 2020, which are headed to be noticeably less than classified Covid deaths. The natural increase of 40K is disregarded. I've gone into numbers elsewhere, but let's just say a ton of those extra deaths (looking like 220-250K at year end) are from the effects of lockdowns. People not seeking care, not getting diagnosed, suicides, tons of other killers from lockdowns. The 'excess' deaths you're hearing about assumes 2020 would've had the same number of deaths as 2016, while we have a rapidly ageing population.

The extra deaths are the final score when the Packers beat the Lions.
The excess deaths you see and hear about are an analyst's prediction how much more The Packers would have won if they hadn't lost several of their starters to injury in the first quarter.

aka, those numbers given in hindsight about 2020 are slightly lower for the same weeks of 2018-19. It's hard to notice on a graph where the numbers are large.

im not discounting an increased of expected deaths year over year, nor deaths from the lockdown, I agree with the entire premise

I also believe that in some months, there was a significant increase in the # of deaths, vs the avg for that month
I do believe covid wrecked the susceptible and elderly upon first arrival
I don’t believe we will encounter spikes nearly as high (I’m speaking to the % above norms for the month)
Sure, we will get some seasonal spikes, but they’ve always been there
Fatality rate has plummeted since its arrival

[frankdtank20]

im not discounting an increased of expected deaths year over year, nor deaths from the lockdown, I agree with the entire premise

I also believe that in some months, there was a significant increase in the # of deaths, vs the avg for that month
I do believe covid wrecked the susceptible and elderly upon first arrival
I don’t believe we will encounter spikes nearly as high (I’m speaking to the % above norms for the month)
Sure, we will get some seasonal spikes, but they’ve always been there
Fatality rate has plummeted since its arrival

Yes. It wrecked some people in March-May. Those were the months it was running through the nursing homes. Excess deaths all around for sure. Sad to say, but a lot of Dorothy's and Ethel's died from the coronavirus in April instead of their natural deaths in August. Early on every other story was about ventilators, and it turned out they were being used too often, leading to unnecessary deaths themselves. Deaths among the hospitalized are down 2/3rds.

This coronavirus is likely to just become another cold like the other coronaviruses that cause common colds, but we have no idea how long it will take to mutate down to that. In the meantime the fear will keep getting pumped by stupid and gullible people.

[5x10]

Yes. It wrecked some people in March-May. Those were the months it was running through the nursing homes. Excess deaths all around for sure. Sad to say, but a lot of Dorothy's and Ethel's died from the coronavirus in April instead of their natural deaths in August. Early on every other story was about ventilators, and it turned out they were being used too often, leading to unnecessary deaths themselves. Deaths among the hospitalized are down 2/3rds.

This coronavirus is likely to just become another cold like the other coronaviruses that cause common colds, but we have no idea how long it will take to mutate down to that. In the meantime the fear will keep getting pumped by stupid and gullible people.

I remember reading one article that showed the countries that had lower than normal elderly deaths(from flu, etc)in the 1-2 yrs prior to covid also had a higher # of covid deaths
Excess fodder to burn off