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    Whey isolate recommendations.

    What’s up guys, with Black Friday deals coming up I’m looking to stock up on some whey isolate. I know taste is subjective, but it wouldn’t hurt to have some suggestions. I’m looking for a good tasting chocolate, vanilla, and maybe a more ‘exotic’ flavor if you will. I’ve been drinking ghost for about 2 years now and getting bored with their flavors.
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    Originally Posted by Dmetti View Post
    What’s up guys, with Black Friday deals coming up I’m looking to stock up on some whey isolate. I know taste is subjective, but it wouldn’t hurt to have some suggestions. I’m looking for a good tasting chocolate, vanilla, and maybe a more ‘exotic’ flavor if you will. I’ve been drinking ghost for about 2 years now and getting bored with their flavors.
    Cant go wrong with Dymatize ISO100, the only flavor Ive had that i didnt like was chocolate coconut..... everything else has been solid. BB.com Oatmeal cookie is hhhnnnggg IMO, and PESelect is a casein and whey blend and very friggin good! Ive had their cake pop and strawberry cheesecake and both amazing. They have a frosted chocolate cupcake I hear is also amazing.... i just havent tried it yet..........

    so for basic chocolate and vanilla PESelect and Dymatize are both great options. Xtend makes a chocolate Lava cake protein and it's also a very amazing "Dark" chocolate flavor.

    Rule1 is having a sale on their site and the protein is cheap enough it might be worth just trying, although Id stay away from Vanilla as it seems to be the flavor thats throwing up 1 star reviews.
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    Originally Posted by Dmetti View Post
    What’s up guys, with Black Friday deals coming up I’m looking to stock up on some whey isolate. I know taste is subjective, but it wouldn’t hurt to have some suggestions. I’m looking for a good tasting chocolate, vanilla, and maybe a more ‘exotic’ flavor if you will. I’ve been drinking ghost for about 2 years now and getting bored with their flavors.
    Dymatize iso 100 is the "must have"!
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    You should be careful with artificial sweeteners. whey productors replaced aspartame with sucralose but it's still not completly safe and we don't have enough studies on it. There is a non negligible number of scientists that advise to avoid sucralose. Better be safe than sorry.
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    Originally Posted by Markype View Post
    You should be careful with artificial sweeteners. whey productors replaced aspartame with sucralose but it's still not completly safe and we don't have enough studies on it. There is a non negligible number of scientists that advise to avoid sucralose. Better be safe than sorry.
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    Originally Posted by Markype View Post
    You should be careful with artificial sweeteners. whey productors replaced aspartame with sucralose but it's still not completly safe and we don't have enough studies on it. There is a non negligible number of scientists that advise to avoid sucralose. Better be safe than sorry.
    I’ll take the risk and die shredded
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    You have no clue what you are talking about
    Well maybe you can educate yourself on this subject by doing a little visit on ncbi.

    Same for you lucia316. Some people here should be doing more in the gym and have actual scientific readings than posting all day long here spreading their bro science.

    "Effect of sucralose on the number and relative proportions of different intestinal bacterial types. Early studies of sucralose with bacteria in culture indicated that sucralose was not utilized as a carbon source by oral bacteria (Young and Bowen, 1990) or by bacteria from environmental samples (Labare and Alexander, 1994). Abou-Donia et al. (2008) extended these studies to bacteria cultured from the GIT of rats that had been administered sucralose daily. An overall reduction of the existing microflora was found (≥50%) at sucralose doses that were lower than the human ADI. Beneficial bacteria including lactobacilli and bifidobacteria were disproportionately affected compared to pathogenic bacteria including enterobacteria. Further, the reduction in fecal microflora was not fully reversible even 3 mo after cessation of sucralose. Sucralose was also reported to exhibit antimicrobial activity against two oral bacterial species involved in periodontal disease (Prashant et al., 2012)."

    (...)

    Consequences of Reduction in Beneficial Bacterial Counts

    Reductions and imbalances in the composition of intestinal bacteria play a role in numerous medical conditions, including allergies, gastric cancer, Crohn's disease, obesity, and inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) (Blaser and Falkow, 2009; Clemente et al., 2012; Cho and Blaser, 2012). Qin (2011, 2012) recently proposed that inhibition of intestinal microflora by sucralose is a causative factor in IBD based on epidemiological trends. Treatment of IBD includes the oral administration of probiotic bacteria such as lactobacilli and bifidobacteria (Borchers et al., 2009); thus, the reduction in these probiotic bacterial types by sucralose may be detrimental to IBD patients. Overall, the scientific literature on ingestion of probiotic bacteria in foods such as yogurt suggests that the magnitude of the decrease in bacterial counts from sucralose is biologically significant. That is, the magnitude of the reduction in intestinal bacteria from sucralose administered in Splenda is similar to or greater than the magnitude of the increase (not decrease) in probiotic bacteria noted to produce significant health benefits including protection against infection, maintenance of the intestinal epithelial barrier, and treatment of IBD (Gill et al., 2001; Villena et al., 2005; Wang et al., 2004; Borchers et al., 2009; O'Flaherty and Klaenhammer, 2010; Ross et al., 2010; Sherman et al., 2009). Although concerns about potential adverse effects of sucralose on GIT bacteria were first raised several decades ago by the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (WHO, 1991), the effects of sucralose on bacteria in the GIT in the general population and at-risk groups with vulnerable colonic ecosystems (e.g., IBD [Swidsinski et al., 2009], diarrhea [Jafari et al., 2009], immune deficiencies [Hooper et al., 2012], and the elderly [Woodmansey, 2007; O'Toole and Claesson, 2010]) have not yet been performed."
    Schiffman SS, Rother KI. Sucralose, a synthetic organochlorine sweetener: overview of biological issues. J Toxicol Environ Health B Crit Rev. 2013;16(7):399-451. doi:10.1080/10937404.2013.842523

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    "four sweeteners (sodium cyclamate, saccharin, sodium saccharin, and sucralose) also induced DNA damage in gastrointestinal organs. Based on these results, we believe that more extensive assessment of food additives in current use is warranted. "
    Sasaki YF, Kawaguchi S, Kamaya A, Oh****a M, Kabasawa K, Iwama K, Taniguchi K, Tsuda S. The comet assay with 8 mouse organs: results with 39 currently used food additives. Mutat Res. 2002 Aug 26;519(1-2):103-19. doi: 10.1016/s1383-5718(02)00128-6. PMID: 12160896.

    Call those guys an tell them they have no clue what they are talking about !
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    I’ll take the risk and die shredded
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    Originally Posted by Markype View Post
    Well maybe you can educate yourself on this subject by doing a little visit on ncbi.

    Same for you lucia316. Some people here should be doing more in the gym and have actual scientific readings than posting all day long here spreading their bro science.

    "Effect of sucralose on the number and relative proportions of different intestinal bacterial types. Early studies of sucralose with bacteria in culture indicated that sucralose was not utilized as a carbon source by oral bacteria (Young and Bowen, 1990) or by bacteria from environmental samples (Labare and Alexander, 1994). Abou-Donia et al. (2008) extended these studies to bacteria cultured from the GIT of rats that had been administered sucralose daily. An overall reduction of the existing microflora was found (≥50%) at sucralose doses that were lower than the human ADI. Beneficial bacteria including lactobacilli and bifidobacteria were disproportionately affected compared to pathogenic bacteria including enterobacteria. Further, the reduction in fecal microflora was not fully reversible even 3 mo after cessation of sucralose. Sucralose was also reported to exhibit antimicrobial activity against two oral bacterial species involved in periodontal disease (Prashant et al., 2012)."

    (...)

    Consequences of Reduction in Beneficial Bacterial Counts

    Reductions and imbalances in the composition of intestinal bacteria play a role in numerous medical conditions, including allergies, gastric cancer, Crohn's disease, obesity, and inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) (Blaser and Falkow, 2009; Clemente et al., 2012; Cho and Blaser, 2012). Qin (2011, 2012) recently proposed that inhibition of intestinal microflora by sucralose is a causative factor in IBD based on epidemiological trends. Treatment of IBD includes the oral administration of probiotic bacteria such as lactobacilli and bifidobacteria (Borchers et al., 2009); thus, the reduction in these probiotic bacterial types by sucralose may be detrimental to IBD patients. Overall, the scientific literature on ingestion of probiotic bacteria in foods such as yogurt suggests that the magnitude of the decrease in bacterial counts from sucralose is biologically significant. That is, the magnitude of the reduction in intestinal bacteria from sucralose administered in Splenda is similar to or greater than the magnitude of the increase (not decrease) in probiotic bacteria noted to produce significant health benefits including protection against infection, maintenance of the intestinal epithelial barrier, and treatment of IBD (Gill et al., 2001; Villena et al., 2005; Wang et al., 2004; Borchers et al., 2009; O'Flaherty and Klaenhammer, 2010; Ross et al., 2010; Sherman et al., 2009). Although concerns about potential adverse effects of sucralose on GIT bacteria were first raised several decades ago by the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (WHO, 1991), the effects of sucralose on bacteria in the GIT in the general population and at-risk groups with vulnerable colonic ecosystems (e.g., IBD [Swidsinski et al., 2009], diarrhea [Jafari et al., 2009], immune deficiencies [Hooper et al., 2012], and the elderly [Woodmansey, 2007; O'Toole and Claesson, 2010]) have not yet been performed."
    Schiffman SS, Rother KI. Sucralose, a synthetic organochlorine sweetener: overview of biological issues. J Toxicol Environ Health B Crit Rev. 2013;16(7):399-451. doi:10.1080/10937404.2013.842523

    This one one mouses :
    "four sweeteners (sodium cyclamate, saccharin, sodium saccharin, and sucralose) also induced DNA damage in gastrointestinal organs. Based on these results, we believe that more extensive assessment of food additives in current use is warranted. "
    Sasaki YF, Kawaguchi S, Kamaya A, Oh****a M, Kabasawa K, Iwama K, Taniguchi K, Tsuda S. The comet assay with 8 mouse organs: results with 39 currently used food additives. Mutat Res. 2002 Aug 26;519(1-2):103-19. doi: 10.1016/s1383-5718(02)00128-6. PMID: 12160896.

    Call those guys an tell them they have no clue what they are talking about !
    Lol. The irony of you saying the Bold
    A) Not a boomer. Every time a moron uses "okay boomer" a millennial dies.
    B) Your copy and paste skills are excellent
    C) Here's the problem with you just copying and pasting and not reading an comprehending because you want to be right. You have no clue what you're reading or why it may or may not (more likely in this case) relevant. Nor do you understand the difference between statistical significance in a study and a real world definition of "significant." Further, tons of correlation = causation arguments are made. That isn't necessarily true.

    Rat/mouse studies with ridiculous amounts of the sweeteners used make bad things happen? No wai?

    Copying and pasting something with references noted, without the actual references (which you didn't read) is pointless. It's worse than pubmed ninjaing. The worst part here is that you copy and pasted a selection from an article about sucralose in general. You also cherry picked the stuff that fit your narrative and skipped things like:
    "Although the majority of in vitro and in vivo studies in rodents detected significant effects of sucralose on physiological processes involved in nutrient absorption, findings of similar effects in humans have been inconsistent."

    You could also continue to read that paragraph for information of some studies on humans and effects and lack of them. Again, this doesn't mean bad nor good necessarily. It's just some finding, nothing conclusive. Indeed, it stated, "inconsistent."

    Scaremongering over inconsistency and things that barely meet statistical significance is asininely dangerous.

    Lastly, I'll leave this disaster of a copy and paste with this gem from the conclusion of Prashant, et all, 2012:
    With the proved antibacterial, anti/noncariogenic properties and safety, these sweeteners could be recommended as an ideal alternative to sucrose

    This was for 3 sweeteners: Saccharin, Aspartame and Sucralose

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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    Lol. The irony of you saying the Bold
    A) Not a boomer. Every time a moron uses "okay boomer" a millennial dies.
    B) Your copy and paste skills are excellent
    C) Here's the problem with you just copying and pasting and not reading an comprehending because you want to be right. You have no clue what you're reading or why it may or may not (more likely in this case) relevant. Nor do you understand the difference between statistical significance in a study and a real world definition of "significant." Further, tons of correlation = causation arguments are made. That isn't necessarily true.

    Rat/mouse studies with ridiculous amounts of the sweeteners used make bad things happen? No wai?

    Copying and pasting something with references noted, without the actual references (which you didn't read) is pointless. It's worse than pubmed ninjaing. The worst part here is that you copy and pasted a selection from an article about sucralose in general. You also cherry picked the stuff that fit your narrative and skipped things like:
    "Although the majority of in vitro and in vivo studies in rodents detected significant effects of sucralose on physiological processes involved in nutrient absorption, findings of similar effects in humans have been inconsistent."

    You could also continue to read that paragraph for information of some studies on humans and effects and lack of them. Again, this doesn't mean bad nor good necessarily. It's just some finding, nothing conclusive. Indeed, it stated, "inconsistent."

    Scaremongering over inconsistency and things that barely meet statistical significance is asininely dangerous.

    Lastly, I'll leave this disaster of a copy and paste with this gem from the conclusion of Prashant, et all, 2012:
    With the proved antibacterial, anti/noncariogenic properties and safety, these sweeteners could be recommended as an ideal alternative to sucrose

    This was for 3 sweeteners: Saccharin, Aspartame and Sucralose

    Like I said:
    Didn't read, like everytime your are doing intellectual gymnastic just to have the last word.
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    Didn't read, like everytime your are doing intellectual gymnastic just to have the last word.
    Oh you read it, you just can't respond because your post was full of out of context BS. The irony of you claiming intellectual gymnastics though isn't lost on me.

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    Originally Posted by Dmetti View Post
    What’s up guys, with Black Friday deals coming up I’m looking to stock up on some whey isolate. I know taste is subjective, but it wouldn’t hurt to have some suggestions. I’m looking for a good tasting chocolate, vanilla, and maybe a more ‘exotic’ flavor if you will. I’ve been drinking ghost for about 2 years now and getting bored with their flavors.
    I’m drinking dymatize iso 100 chocolate coconut with skim milk and it’s amazing! For the summer months try strawberry and orange! Also birthday cake is not bad at all.
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    I use Magnum Neutraceuticals Quattro Isolate. Never had digestion issues with it.

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    I am a huge fan of Syntrax Nectar. Great mixability, and aside from your usual chocolate and vanilla, they have a ton of “juice” flavors, like orange, grape, passion fruit, wild cherry, and at least 20 other uncommon flavors.
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