There was a good article today from STAT News covering this
Vaccines seem to work well against coronavirus variants. It’s also complicated
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Thread: Will you get vaccinated?
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05-13-2021, 09:26 AM #2191
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05-13-2021, 09:26 AM #2192
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05-13-2021, 09:39 AM #2193
Sorry if that sounded condescending. It wasn't meant to be. I just think the math and science are very very basic. Maybe I didn't explain why well enough.
You are correct in saying we don't have long term outcomes data. One of the things they hammered into us in B school, which wasn't stressed enough in medical school, was that it's important to know what you don't know, so we do take that issue into account when we consider if the vaccine is something we can recommend to an individual. But in this case, that lack of long term outcomes data actually isn't a significant factor in making a decision and the reason is very obvious if you consider how the vaccines work. They trick a few cells in your body into producing the spike protein antigen that is on the surface of the virus. Everything else in the vaccines are very common things. Either they're produced due to a known viral vector we have long term outcomes data on, or they're a tiny bit of the lipid coating that let's the mRNA get into your cells. Those are all well studied even if the unique combination of them is new and unique.
So you're left worrying about the active ingredient, the DNA, RNA or mRNA, and what they code for. All of what they code for has long term safety data except for the spike protein, and the long term risk of being exposed to that one component of a virus at a low dose can't have more long term adverse effects than getting exposed to the same antigen at a higher concentration, along with the other foreign antigens that your body is exposed to by the actual SARS-coV-2 virus.
Either you accept the virus putting RNA into the nucleus of your cells and causing your cells to produce the same protein as the vaccines plus others, or you accept a vaccine which either avoids the nucleus completely or only uses a virus we have long term safety data on. There are clearly risks to the vaccine, but if the antigen causes you to feel sick or even to have a serious adverse event, it is obvious you would have had the same reaction or worse from the higher levels you'd have circulating in your body after getting the actual virus.
Again, I understand why you think some people could believe they should wait for the long term data on the vaccines, but their hypothesis doesn't hold up when you take the mechanism of action of the potential side effects and other risks into account. Does that make more sense?
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05-13-2021, 10:33 AM #2194
Got my Pfuking vaccine booked Pfor the Pfuking Pfizer Vaccine on the 21st, Can't have Tater beating me to the pfuking jab.
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05-13-2021, 10:43 AM #2195
You work with mind that can think but is yours thinking right?
Put your thinking hat on, read my comment again and see if your response satisfies what I said?
You obviously do not know what it like to deal with public - which includes PHDs, and people who skipped elementary and good citizens and also criminals.
Their policies are designed to get the best possible result with all groups of people - not just your “think capable” minds. Think again!**^^ gone ^^**
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05-13-2021, 10:51 AM #2196
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05-13-2021, 11:05 AM #2197
take a deep breath ......
CDC is expected to say fully vaccinated people can stop wearing masks INDOORS from today - except in crowded places like buses and planes
CDC is expected to update its guidance on mask-wearing on Thursday
The new guidance is expected to allow fully vaccinated people to go maskless indoors in almost all settings
Crowded settings like planes, buses and prisons will likely be exception
CDC is also expected to say that fully vaccinated people can take off their masks anywhere outdoors - including in crowds
UPDATED: 13:54 EDT, 13 May 2021There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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05-13-2021, 11:12 AM #2198Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
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I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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05-13-2021, 11:13 AM #2199
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05-13-2021, 11:23 AM #2200
Please, the PHDs put their guidelines out, it’s up to you if and how you follow them.
E.g. ALL gyms don’t need to close, there are ways to work around it, tell that to your idiot public servent.
And wear your mask while squatting all out so you can beat your pipes that you saved an imaginary life!!!!!!
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05-13-2021, 11:28 AM #2201
“When one does the math, the Pfizer clinical trial numbers showed: “The risk reduction in absolute terms [was] only 0.7%, from an already very low risk of 0.74% [in the placebo group] to a minimal risk of 0.04% [in the vaccine group].” (Dividing 0.7 — the difference between the two groups — by 0.74 is the mathematical calculation that produced the touted “95% effective” number)."
https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com...oes-that-mean/
As I’ve been saying, ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.
People passed the moron compliance test with flying colors
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05-13-2021, 12:02 PM #2202
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05-13-2021, 12:17 PM #2203Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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05-13-2021, 01:15 PM #2204
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05-13-2021, 01:19 PM #2205
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05-13-2021, 01:24 PM #2206
Did you bang your head or something? You really lost me now.. How the hell did this go to people unmasking masking to your tiny parts?
LMAO Karl, you have a point ! Decisions Decisions!Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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05-13-2021, 01:31 PM #2207
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05-13-2021, 01:32 PM #2208
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05-13-2021, 01:33 PM #2209Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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05-13-2021, 01:39 PM #2210
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05-13-2021, 01:42 PM #2211
You wanna talk about real Men? You are getting your Moderna because the wife dragged you there.
You don't want the vaccine, it's not your idea, you told everyone here for months that you weren't getting it, didn't need it because you were chunky and lift heavy things. Guess who is or isn't the real man nowAir Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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05-13-2021, 01:44 PM #2212Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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05-13-2021, 01:53 PM #2213
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05-13-2021, 01:55 PM #2214Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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05-13-2021, 01:56 PM #2215
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05-13-2021, 01:58 PM #2216
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05-13-2021, 02:00 PM #2217Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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05-13-2021, 02:06 PM #2218
You’re completely misunderstanding the concept of absolute reduction and the point of the vaccine trial. The trial was how many individuals were infected over a given time, not some maximum proportion of the population that can be infected. The higher the proportion of hosts infected, the higher the absolute reduction will be. For example, if the trial continued and 3 times the number of hosts ended up infected, you’d expect 24/22k in the vaccinated with group with PCR confirmed Covid and 486/22k in unvaccinated group. That is an absolute reduction of 2%. Now extrapolate to 1/3 of the entire country having pcr confirmed covid, and you can see how big that absolute reduction grows.
"Seen in the light of evolution, biology is, perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science. Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts -- some of them interesting or curious but making no meaningful picture as a whole."
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05-13-2021, 02:15 PM #2219
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05-13-2021, 02:19 PM #2220Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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