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    Apparently a provider is saying we're seeing an uptick in fully vaccinated people getting COVID.

    Googled it - looks to be true. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ing-vaccinated
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Apparently a provider is saying we're seeing an uptick in fully vaccinated people getting COVID.

    Googled it - looks to be true. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ing-vaccinated

    From what I have read it's the Vaccine isn't a 100%, it's purpose is to combat the effects of the virus and people can still contract and spread the virus
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    Apparently a provider is saying we're seeing an uptick in fully vaccinated people getting COVID.

    Googled it - looks to be true. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ing-vaccinated
    Is there even such a thing as a 100% effective vaccine?
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Apparently a provider is saying we're seeing an uptick in fully vaccinated people getting COVID.

    Googled it - looks to be true. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ing-vaccinated
    Yep. Like all other measures, vaccination knocks down the odds of getting it, but doesn't eliminate the risk. The numbers vaccinated are going up, over 100 million in the US now, so obviously the numbers of vaccinated getting it are going up.
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    It just seems like the efficacy of the vaccines might not be as good as advertised or it's an uptick in variants.

    Are you guys seeing studies on miscarriages post vaccination? This lady says she's seen 3 of her friends miss carry right after vaccination.

    Yet, still not seeing any promotion of improving your lifestyle or immune system.
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    "100% effective at ensuring that the small fraction of vaccinated patients who do contract the virus will not get severe cases or require hospitalization."

    So we have 6 months of protection, 6 variants, and the Pfizer ceo mentioned a booster shot,#3, at some point in the future.
    This thing isn't done by a long shot, just look at India.
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Apparently a provider is saying we're seeing an uptick in fully vaccinated people getting COVID.

    Googled it - looks to be true. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ing-vaccinated
    This shouldn't be a surprise, I don't think anyone (sensibly anyway) is saying that vaccines completely stop everyone getting COVID, the expectation is that they reduce the numbers who catch and spread the virus and the proportion of vaccinated people who catch it who need medical assistance should be much lower than unvaccinated. Bear in mind with the current data that the vaccinated people catching COVID are much more likely to be the most vulnerable people (and why they got vaccinated first) so they are also more likely to require medical assistance. The clearest measure is the death rate, is it going down? Yes in the UK!

    Certainly in the UK the message since start of vaccine rollout has been that you still need to use other measures like social distancing, masks, hands etc even after you're vaccinated. Vaccination is just one tool in the toolbox, it's not some magical silver-bullet - call BS on anyone who says it is.

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    "100% effective at ensuring that the small fraction of vaccinated patients...
    I don't think 100% is true

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    ...miscarriages post vaccination?....
    Very sad to hear. I'm not sure *any* vaccination is wise while pregnant, especially early term. The AZ fact sheet I saw, said not for the pregnant.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    "100% effective at ensuring that the small fraction of vaccinated patients who do contract the virus will not get severe cases or require hospitalization."

    So we have 6 months of protection, 6 variants, and the Pfizer ceo mentioned a booster shot,#3, at some point in the future.
    This thing isn't done by a long shot, just look at India.
    Wait a second...

    We have "at least" 6 months of protection based on 1 study from the vaccine manufacturer. They still don't know how long the protection will last.

    Pfizer ceo wants to sell vaccines.
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    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    This shouldn't be a surprise, I don't think anyone (sensibly anyway) is saying that vaccines completely stop everyone getting COVID, the expectation is that they reduce the numbers who catch and spread the virus and the proportion of vaccinated people who catch it who need medical assistance should be much lower than unvaccinated. Bear in mind with the current data that the vaccinated people catching COVID are much more likely to be the most vulnerable people (and why they got vaccinated first) so they are also more likely to require medical assistance. The clearest measure is the death rate, is it going down? Yes in the UK!

    Certainly in the UK the message since start of vaccine rollout has been that you still need to use other measures like social distancing, masks, hands etc even after you're vaccinated. Vaccination is just one tool in the toolbox, it's not some magical silver-bullet - call BS on anyone who says it is.

    I don't think 100% is true
    It was a quote from the npr article linked in the first post on this page.
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    It just seems like the efficacy of the vaccines might not be as good as advertised or it's an uptick in variants.

    Are you guys seeing studies on miscarriages post vaccination? This lady says she's seen 3 of her friends miss carry right after vaccination.

    Yet, still not seeing any promotion of improving your lifestyle or immune system.
    6,000 breakthrough cases and 100 million vaccinated. Doesn't seem too bad. And, with regard to miscarriages, I thought they recommended you NOT get the vaccine if you are pregnant? Or, was I thinking something else?

    Breakthrough cases: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html

    COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC
    As of April 13, 2021, more than 75 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 since December 14, 2020.
    During the same time, CDC received 5,814 reports of vaccine breakthrough infections from 43 U.S. states and territories.
    Vaccine breakthrough infections were reported among people of all ages eligible for vaccination.
    2,622 (45%) of the reported infections were among people ≥60 years of age.
    3,752 (65%) of the people experiencing a breakthrough infection were female.
    1,695 (29%) of the vaccine breakthrough infections were reported as asymptomatic.
    396 (7%) people with breakthrough infections were known to be hospitalized and 74 (1%) died.
    Of the 396 hospitalized patients, 133 (34%) were reported as asymptomatic or hospitalized for a reason not related to COVID-19.
    Of the 74 fatal cases, 9 (12%) were reported as asymptomatic or the patient died due to a cause not related to COVID-19.
    Hospitalizations and deaths that are not a direct result of COVID-19 are still considered vaccine breakthrough cases if the person was fully vaccinated and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19.
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    Originally Posted by litljay View Post
    Wait a second...

    We have "at least" 6 months of protection based on 1 study from the vaccine manufacturer. They still don't know how long the protection will last.

    Pfizer ceo wants to sell vaccines.
    I am quoting what he said, hopefully itis much longer. What is Moderna saying for the duration of protection? Shouldn't it be the same?
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    "100% effective at ensuring that the small fraction of vaccinated patients who do contract the virus will not get severe cases or require hospitalization."
    Yea. No. Not 100%

    Don't forget - early tests show vaccination results in a MUCH HIGHER (almost 7 times more) chance of "catching" one of the variants. Yep, much lower variant infection rates by NOT taking the vaccine...
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    I am quoting what he said, hopefully itis much longer. What is Moderna saying for the duration of protection? Shouldn't it be the same?
    I haven't seen anything from Moderna making public comment. However, it's likely similar since the vaccines use similar technology I would assume.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    It was a quote from the npr article linked in the first post on this page.
    The article said "nearly 100%" not 100% but I think that's still too optimistic.
    Astra Zeneca is claiming 100% (https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-ce...ii-trials.html)
    I find that hard to believe and sure as we get bigger studies over longer time we'll see that % drop

    Some people just don't develop antibodies following vaccination (I know an anaesthesiologist who doesn't for Hep. A vaccine for example, which is very bad) that's just how it works. So some people will get next to nothing from the vaccine, some people are unlucky...
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    What number does nearly 100% represent?
    I am curious what you think.
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    Are you guys seeing studies on miscarriages post vaccination? This lady says she's seen 3 of her friends miss carry right after vaccination.
    I've had many of my friends miscarry years before the vaccination.

    There is no reason to suspect the vaccine has any effect.

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    Yea. No. Not 100%

    Don't forget - early tests show vaccination results in a MUCH HIGHER (almost 7 times more) chance of "catching" one of the variants. Yep, much lower variant infection rates by NOT taking the vaccine...
    Was that in that pbs article? I haven't seen that.
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    Originally Posted by litljay View Post
    And, with regard to miscarriages, I thought they recommended you NOT get the vaccine if you are pregnant? Or, was I thinking something else?

    Breakthrough cases: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html
    They didn't know they were pregnant at the time of vaccination.
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    . I am not around a lot of people and can afford to wait a while.
    In order to spread the wealth, we are shipping the undocumented and racist anti police protesting welfare state your way, enjoy!
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    In order to spread the wealth, we are shipping the undocumented and racist anti police protesting welfare state your way, enjoy!

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    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post
    Yea. No. Not 100%

    Don't forget - early tests show vaccination results in a MUCH HIGHER (almost 7 times more) chance of "catching" one of the variants. Yep, much lower variant infection rates by NOT taking the vaccine...
    What would be very interesting, I've not seen yet, would be to compare people who have had Covid... and if they are more likely to catch variants -- versus people who have been vaccinated to go on to catch variants

    It could be the after effects of one SARS-CoV-2 variant (either virus exposure OR vaccination) means another variant can be caught more easily. Until we can make that distinction, the data isn't helpful, it might not be specific to the vaccine.

    There are way too few, close to zero cases documented in US of re-infection by different strains. However there are plenty of examples in Brazil, including hospitalisations and deaths. Unfortunately we'll get that "data" all too soon.
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    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    The article said "nearly 100%" not 100% but I think that's still too optimistic.
    Astra Zeneca is claiming 100% (https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-ce...ii-trials.html)
    I find that hard to believe and sure as we get bigger studies over longer time we'll see that % drop

    Some people just don't develop antibodies following vaccination (I know an anaesthesiologist who doesn't for Hep. A vaccine for example, which is very bad) that's just how it works. So some people will get next to nothing from the vaccine, some people are unlucky...
    Most of the vaccination data lists number in the 90's some as low as 70. The WHO has a 50% as the cut off for a quality line.

    Even at 99% you'd expect a full vaccinated country like the US to still record over 1 milion cases.
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