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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    I know it's frustration and I doubt anyone really wants anyone to die etc. but it's not getting better, it's just getting worse to a level that's scary.
    Civil war incoming? Perhaps.
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    Civil war incoming? Perhaps.
    Yeah I guess I'm scared cos my grandmas dad actually had to dig his own grave and they shot him during our civil war a while back.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,
    It's not mere frustration though, it's provocation, and honestly you are part of the problem.
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    Yeah I guess I'm scared cos my grandmas dad actually had to dig his own grave and they shot him during our civil war a while back.
    Hopefully cooler heads prevail before all out war but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more violence over vax. Just look how heated a large group of people are from Biden's recent actions. It's not getting any better :/

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    It's not mere frustration though, it's provocation, and honestly you are part of the problem.
    Me individually? Ha. Well I guess you are judging that on me posting ITT? You aren't wrong. I could be more even in many of my responses and statements but I do like to think in an exchange with another person I am usually the calmer less name-calling of the two parties. I know I certainly was yesterday with whoever that guy was ITT, as he was unhinged before the conversation started. But with that said, yes I could do better, everyone I have seen regularly post ITT could do better, some more than others and on that level we are all part of the problem. I wouldn't say a major one though, in the grand scheme of what is going on in this world.
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    Healthy boys more likely to be hospitalised with Pfizer side-effect than Covid-19: Study

    The UK’s advisory body on vaccination recently said there is “considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms.”

    Healthy adolescent boys are more likely to be hospitalised with a rare side-effect after the second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine than the virus itself, claims a new study. US researchers studied the rate of post-vaccination cardiac myocarditis cases in the 12-15 and 16-17 age groups to analyse the benefits and risk of administering mRNA vaccines among adolescents.

    The researchers identified a total of 257 vaccine-related cardiac adverse events (CAEs) following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine. The rate of the CAEs per million among 12-15-year-old boys was 162.2, while it was 94.0 in 16-17-year-old boys. Among girls, the equivalent rates were 13.0 and 13.4 per million respectively.

    The study suggests that the rate of CAE was 3.7 to 6.1 times higher among healthy 12-15-year-old boys than their risk of hospitalisation from Covid-19 in 120 days as of August 21. The rate of CAE was 2.6-4.3-fold higher at times of high weekly hospitalization risk, such as during January 2021.

    “For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day Covid-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly Covid-19 hospitalization,” the study says.
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world...353224894.html





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    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.21262866v1



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    That was interesting, I never did think healthy young people should be vaxxed
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    Adult adverse reactions are likely being massively suppressed as well. My wife’s mom had a heart attack within a few days of second dose, as did someone I work with. Of course neither were attributed to the vaccine, and perhaps they were just happenstance. 400 deaths attributed to covid in 17 and younger and those were likely all death with rather than from covid (cancer etc). People are brainwashed if they think the vaccine is as safe or effective as indicated by the media etc. 50% of the current cases at my work are in vaccinated people. I personally see very little upside to mandating vaccinations considering the real world efficacy of the currently available vaccines. Of course that is not the message from the loud speaker, so my personal feelings are do whatever you want. I don’t think the country is going survive this blunder of an administration with the direction things are heading.
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    If most neutralizing antibodies to a virus ... ....
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    Originally Posted by exrepubusa View Post
    if anti vaxxers have their way, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, polio, chicken pox, etc will all come roaring back, but the stupid pos anti vaxxers will still blame biden like they do for everything else, trump has done immeasurable damage to the us and the world
    Don't conflate anti-vaxxers with people not wanting a C19 vax. They are not the same.
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    How many adverse medical reactions are allowable?

    In this case 257/2,000,000( 26 girls and 162+94 boys) and news reports show myocarditis resolves relatively quickly with no long term issues. But no I wouldn't want my kid to be 1 of the 257.

    Pretty good percentages if you ask me.
    1,743,000 did not have a bad reaction
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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    that wont happen

    covid beds are already spoken for, even if empty. would be best to have some ER staff chime in.

    the heart attack patient will have to wait for an ICU bed and the covid patient for a covid ICU bed

    This ER Doc said he had to hold on to non covid emergency cases that needed ICU beds and none were available because of covid.




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    Inb4 the vax protects against a future virus with a 100% death rate.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    This ER Doc said he had to hold on to non covid emergency cases that needed ICU beds and none were available because of covid.




    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1436826925234860034
    I have heard of things like this as well. This is obviously a subject that could be spun and used to push an agenda. Only once in my real life have I heard of someone being turned away from a hospital because of capacity issues.

    With that said, doesn't take away from the seriousness of the issue, real shame even if it's very infrequent.

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    I'm a bit reluctant to make much out of VAERS data, and I say this as someone who would welcome any news to reduce the societal pressure for my son to get the jab.
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    I'm a bit reluctant to make much out of VAERS data, and I say this as someone who would welcome any news to reduce the societal pressure for my son to get the jab.
    Agree, self-reported data is not a reliable or even valid data to use for a study. Should be medically verified cases only. That said I still fail to see the benefit of mandatory vaccination for anyone, and specifically for low risk populations. After reviewing the study, I don’t think it would/will do well or survive the close analysis/ peer review process.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Agree, self-reported data is not a reliable or even valid data to use for a study. Should be medically verified cases only. ...After reviewing the study, I don’t think it would/will do well or survive the close analysis/ peer review process.
    I know, it seems like it was basically a google search for key words in the VAERS data, lol.

    That said I still fail to see the benefit of mandatory vaccination for anyone, and specifically for low risk populations.
    Yes, it really angers me both for the precedent it sets as well as the fear/politcially driven motives rather than data driven risks.
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    Was just in Tractor Supply this morning. Signs all over saying they will not sell Ivermectin without vet order. LoL
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Was just in Tractor Supply this morning. Signs all over saying they will not sell Ivermectin without vet order. LoL
    Sorry but the fact that a Tractor Supply store needs signs like this is hillarious.
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    Was just in Tractor Supply this morning. Signs all over saying they will not sell Ivermectin without vet order. LoL

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    If I made a fancy looking infographic that said ivermectin adds one inch to penis size 90% of miscers would buy instantly and take at whatever dose the infographic said without a single question, yet the same miscers don't trust the Covid vaccine.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    If I made a fancy looking infographic that said ivermectin adds one inch to penis size 90% of miscers would buy instantly and take at whatever dose the infographic said without a single question, yet the same miscers don't trust the Covid vaccine.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    If I made a fancy looking infographic that said ivermectin adds one inch to penis size 90% of miscers would buy instantly and take at whatever dose the infographic said without a single question, yet the same miscers don't trust the Covid vaccine.

    Miscers would be all over that.. Doubling their dick size, win win
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    If I made a fancy looking infographic that said ivermectin adds one inch to penis size 90% of miscers would buy instantly and take at whatever dose the infographic said without a single question, yet the same miscers don't trust the Covid vaccine.
    Since you have gone all-in on the propaganda, miscers would actually do the opposite, if it was your infographic. The truth seems to usually be the opposite of everything presented by MSM and President. Doesn’t even have to be covid related, look at the retaliatory drone strike in Afghanistan. “We just blew up the mastermind planner of the attack” in reality it was someone who worked for the US as an interpreter and a bunch of his kids. Vaccine is 95% effective. Two weeks to flatten curve.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Since you have gone all-in on the propaganda, miscers would actually do the opposite, if it was your infographic. The truth seems to usually be the opposite of everything presented by MSM and President. Doesn’t even have to be covid related, look at the retaliatory drone strike in Afghanistan. “We just blew up the mastermind planner of the attack” in reality it was someone who worked for the US as an interpreter and a bunch of his kids. Vaccine is 95% effective. Two weeks to flatten curve.
    I observed his exchanges with miscers and maybe a few r and p regulars and it was ugly. He presented clear concise facts and they went crazy with conspiracy theories and attacks. It was like an organized resistance posting against 1 dude.
    The anti vax crew is very organized and it isnt just Paul.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    I observed his exchanges with miscers and maybe a few r and p regulars and it was ugly. He presented clear concise facts and they went crazy with conspiracy theories and attacks. It was like an organized resistance posting against 1 dude.
    The anti vax crew is very organized and it isnt just Paul.
    There is no shortage of asinine conspiracy theories. That said, I don't think most people who are skeptical of the COVID-19 vaccine, are "anti-vaxxers". I'm unvaccinated, but I am all for the vaccines for anyone who wants them.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    There is no shortage of asinine conspiracy theories. That said, I don't think most people who are skeptical of the COVID-19 vaccine, are "anti-vaxxers". I'm unvaccinated, but I am all for the vaccines for anyone who wants them.
    Yup. Exactly this.

    Many vets are walking pharmacies. I have friends who got injured from the anthrax vaxx.

    The 'anti-vaxx' label is thrown just as fast as the 'racist, bigot, homophobe' label at anyone who doesn't toe the leftist agenda.

    When science and politics are mixed, politics will always win.

    I am unjabbed as well. I will wait and see how many jabbers get injured or die (not that I wish death on anyone) before I make a decision what to do with my body.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    There is no shortage of asinine conspiracy theories. That said, I don't think most people who are skeptical of the COVID-19 vaccine, are "anti-vaxxers". I'm unvaccinated, but I am all for the vaccines for anyone who wants them.
    We are all adults and can tell who is reasonable, I was specifically describing the misc and the pile on that i have read over there.
    I dont know who is anti vaxx and who is not, it never comes up unless you are on a bodybuilding message board.

    The anti vaxx crew in the big Misc appears to be a group that wants to do nothing. They want to just move on.
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