I just had a system glitch that was weird and I hope I didn't accidentally neg one of your posts. Will feel terrible if I did because I was trying to agree with it.
Regardless of whether she replied to CR or you, she made a good point. We really don't know who has superior immunity when we simply talk about the people who had 2 shots vs one infection. It's important to remember that some of those people in the infection group had the wild type virus over a year ago, and some have recently had an infection with delta. There's clearly going to be a difference between their immunity to the currently circulating strains.
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LotusDiva just confirmed I somehow gave negative feedback on one of her posts. I am really sorry. I can't reverse it, but am feeling bad now. Would appreciate help fixing it. That post on a previous page didn't deserve negative feedback!
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Thread: Will you get vaccinated?
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08-27-2021, 01:00 PM #4291
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08-27-2021, 01:13 PM #4292
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08-27-2021, 01:23 PM #4293
Biden says US weighing COVID-19 vaccine boosters five months after second dose
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08-27-2021, 01:46 PM #4294
Appreciate that.
mtpockets,
Wouldn't it be nice if biden and all the other politicians would STFU on what recommendations are being "considered", and if the news outlets could stop asking about it. Also, who is the "US"?
I'll bet the "US" is also weighing recommending them at 6 months, 8 months, odd Thursdays in in our birthday months, and whenever Pfizer, J&J, or Moderna's stocks dip.
I think they're just trying to annoy us or distract us from something more important!
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08-27-2021, 02:12 PM #4295
I would think for many of us who are out in the world, around a lot of different people regularly, we have been exposed to the pathogen repeatedly. This is like little “boosters” on the regular for natural immunity. Pathogen comes in, begins infecting some cells but not enough to result in symptoms, immune system responds and attacks the infected cells and free virus particles? Immune doesn’t necessarily mean free from exposure and and infection at the cellular level, but likely a sufficient response that replication isn’t occurring at a level to allow viral shedding and becoming contagious. At least from what I can recall from immunology about 20 years ago (guessing there has been some new info since then). But “immune” does not mean you can’t be reinfected at a cellular level, it’s just “handled” before there is enough systemic damage from the virus to result in symptoms. I also wonder how accurate “asymptomatic” spreading is versus pre-symtomatic. It would seem that if you have enough viral replication going on to transmit disease, you would also be on the way to enough disruption in terms of cellular lysis local and systemic immune response (inflammation etc) to be having symptoms soon after.
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08-27-2021, 04:02 PM #4296Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
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I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
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I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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08-28-2021, 02:43 AM #4297
OKYO, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Two people died after receiving Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine shots that were among lots later suspended following the discovery of contaminants, Japan's health ministry said on Saturday.
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Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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08-28-2021, 06:02 AM #4298
You know since this thing started i wondered 2 things.
1. What natural strategies could be done to lessen the effects of a Covid positive experience?
2. Those with "super immunity" have what characteristics in common that we can learn something from?
Still waiting on and trying to research the answers.
I asked my seafood guy how his Covid positive experience was, and he said for he and his wife nothing happened. But for his 12 year old son it was bad. I thik he is in mid mid 50's, normal weight, red hair and nothing special. I dont get it.There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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08-28-2021, 06:05 AM #4299
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08-28-2021, 06:09 AM #4300
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08-28-2021, 06:14 AM #4301
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My wife is an RN at a hospital in Louisville. They've internally noted that currently 81% of all of their covid patients are unvaccinated, and 86% of those in the ICU are unvaccinated. It confirms to me that I was right in getting vaccinated but that I'm still capable (albeit less likely) to contract it and possibly even become very sick.
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08-28-2021, 06:24 AM #4302
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I'm no immunologist and don't claim to have any special expertise in communicable diseases, but I think levels of exposure/viral load may have more to do with a persons outcome than any other variable.
I think my exposure to Covid-19 was very minimal as I had zero respiratory symptoms and I did not shed virus. All I had was extreme fatigue, body aches, severe headache and loss of smell and taste. But I could be wrong of course.
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08-28-2021, 06:48 AM #4303
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08-28-2021, 06:55 AM #4304
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08-28-2021, 07:04 AM #4305
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08-28-2021, 07:23 AM #4308
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08-28-2021, 07:37 AM #4309
For a long time Canada was stricter than the US and just recently let the Toronto Blue Jay's return from playimg their games in a minor league stadium in Buffalo.
So now instead of just waving your CDC card it looks like Canada now requires a negative test result close to the date of travel for entry into the country.There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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08-28-2021, 07:58 AM #4310
No it’s not like a chemical exposure that would have a dose/time type relationship, at least for repeated exposure that would lead to chronic lung damage p. If viable virus particles enter your body and are able to make it to cells that they can infect, they begin replication and increasing in numbers, those progeny go on to infect other nearby cells etc. The initial dose may have some influence for someone w/out immunity because lower level exposure might give your body longer initially to begin mounting a defense rather than having a large initial exposure which could have larger numbers of cells infected and larger viral loads generated sooner. I’m not sure how much it would matter though, once infected it’s billions of progeny in your body. Disease severity probably comes down to a variety things genetic and physiological (age, health etc).
There is a minimum infective dose for some organisms but I don’t think it’s a hard “rule”. Ecoli bacteria o157/h7 (shiga toxin type that can cause organ failure) for example, 9 organisms was considered to be an “infective dose” IIRC.Last edited by Plateauplower; 08-28-2021 at 08:12 AM.
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08-28-2021, 08:10 AM #4311
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08-28-2021, 08:16 AM #4312
A large exposure could be really mundane ie walking into an elevator car that someone infectious was just coughing in. Doesn’t mean getting sneezed on, just inhaling a lot of viable virus that are able to make it to cells they can infect. Our respiratory tract is actually very effective at keeping pathogens out of our lungs overall. Lots of cilia (hairlike protrusions) that trap things biological or otherwise (dust, smoke etc) and they kind of “do the wave” and move these foreign bodies back up the respiratory tract away from the lungs. Parastalsis I think it’s called, could be wrong been a long time lol.
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08-28-2021, 08:35 AM #4313
Disease severity can be influenced by the initial dose of the pathogen in the inoculum. Animal models have demonstrated this for a wide array of pathogens. The route of transmission is also important.
For sarscov2, this is probably true as well. It’s hard to test this in humans for obvious reasons. This article goes over some of the evidence that we do have.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7686757/
Another reasons why masks are important. They disproportionately filter larger inoculum volumes.Last edited by Reliance012; 08-28-2021 at 08:40 AM.
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08-28-2021, 12:26 PM #4314Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
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I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
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I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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08-28-2021, 01:10 PM #4315
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08-28-2021, 01:19 PM #4317Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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08-28-2021, 03:09 PM #4318
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08-28-2021, 03:16 PM #4319
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08-28-2021, 03:24 PM #4320Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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