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    Originally Posted by Bando View Post
    I'm not buying that the saliva test is an effective indicator when 6 months ago it was a swab all the way up in your sinuses.

    After my terrible response to the 2nd Moderna dose I'm still having weird stuff 6 weeks later. When I'm in my house I can often smell fuel oil burning inefficiently, it's a unique smell and I checked my hot water heater and there's no exhaust leaks. I smelled a skunk on the way to a medical appt. with My Daughter and smelled it for 15 miles, no one else smells these things.
    What other symptoms did you have after the 2nd dose? Seems like your nostrils have gone into super sensitive mode..
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    Got my 2nd Pfizer dose 5 hours ago.

    Slightly sore arm. Been feeling 95% fine. Slightly dizzy but not. Slightly tired but not. Slightly flu-ish but not.

    Wierd af but not

    So far so good. I hope it doesn’t get any worse
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    That is total bs you just continue on with the fear of Covid. The vaccine far lessons the illness. Before vaccination Covid isn’t too frightening for most, after vaccination it shouldn’t be an issue for 99 percent, so WTF, really, continue on with Covid boogie man bs.....
    Think of a virus where 70% of kids are totally asymptomatic, less than 1% have severe symptoms, and less than 0.05% die. That's no big deal for kids then, right?
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    Originally Posted by tsoerens View Post
    Think of a virus where 70% of kids are totally asymptomatic, less than 1% have severe symptoms, and less than 0.05% die. That's no big deal for kids then, right?
    I don’t think the comparisons to polio are all that effective these days. Vaccine effectiveness has almost been vaccines worst enemy. People today don't remember how bad these diseases were. People forget that kids died, became deaf, suffered infertility, etc...all from 'childhood diseases' like measles and mumps. Polio also had the benefit of not coming across as a different strain of the flu. Something we are super accustomed too. Polio was a very different disease and wasn’t as easily dismissed as something else similar but less severe.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I don’t think the comparisons to polio are all that effective these days. Vaccine effectiveness has almost been vaccines worst enemy. People today don't remember how bad these diseases were. People forget that kids died, became deaf, suffered infertility, etc...all from 'childhood diseases' like measles and mumps. Polio also had the benefit of not coming across as a different strain of the flu. Something we are super accustomed too. Polio was a very different disease and wasn’t as easily dismissed as something else similar but less severe.
    All those diseases you mentioned were already on a vast decline to virtually non-existent long before the vaccine ever came out. Read your history.
    The same is hap here..which is why they don’t test those that had the virus in the trials.

    https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

    Notice on page 31 that: “The study excluded participants who were immunocompromised and those who had previous clinical or microbiological diagnosis of COVID-19.” this means they didn’t trial the vaccine on people who previously tested positive for Covid-19..

    Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    Got my 2nd Pfizer dose 5 hours ago.

    Slightly sore arm. Been feeling 95% fine. Slightly dizzy but not. Slightly tired but not. Slightly flu-ish but not.

    Wierd af but not

    So far so good. I hope it doesn’t get any worse
    Stay well and give us an update. I get my 2nd dose this coming Friday. Ready for it to destroy my weekend. Hopefully I am pleasantly surprised.

    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    All those diseases you mentioned were already on a vast decline to virtually non-existent long before the vaccine ever came out. Read your history.
    The same is hap here..which is why they don’t test those that had the virus in the trials.

    https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

    Notice on page 31 that: “The study excluded participants who were immunocompromised and those who had previous clinical or microbiological diagnosis of COVID-19.” this means they didn’t trial the vaccine on people who previously tested positive for Covid-19..

    Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.
    Clinical trial exclusions are very common and that one in particular makes a lot of sense.
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    All those diseases you mentioned were already on a vast decline to virtually non-existent long before the vaccine ever came out.
    The first measles vaccine was in 1963. I don’t have any numbers to really back this up as I only spent about 30 seconds looking but a “virtually non-existent number of cases long before the vaccine” seems to be a stretch. It seems measles deaths were certainly declining due to advancements in medicine and supportive care but I didn’t see anything that showed number of cases dropping until the vaccine became available.

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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Stay well and give us an update. I get my 2nd dose this coming Friday. Ready for it to destroy my weekend. Hopefully I am pleasantly surprised.



    Clinical trial exclusions are very common and that one in particular makes a lot of sense.
    Kept waking up from the sore arm (much worse than first shot) and headache - should’ve taken Advil or something. Slight fatigue and lethargy. Besides that all good.

    My chicks sister got her 2nd shot a day before me and she has similar symptoms as me minus the headache.

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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    The first measles vaccine was in 1963. I don’t have any numbers to really back this up as I only spent about 30 seconds looking but a “virtually non-existent number of cases long before the vaccine” seems to be a stretch.
    Not a stretch, it is plainly false.

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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    Kept waking up from the sore arm (much worse than first shot) and headache - should’ve taken Advil or something. Slight fatigue and lethargy. Besides that all good.

    My chicks sister got her 2nd shot a day before me and she has similar symptoms as me minus the headache.

    You’ll be alright imo
    I wonder if pronounced side effect have anything to do with the relatively short duration between the first and second dose. Here in Quebec, it's almost 4 months between doses.
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    I wonder if pronounced side effect have anything to do with the relatively short duration between the first and second dose. Here in Quebec, it's almost 4 months between doses.
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    All those diseases you mentioned were already on a vast decline to virtually non-existent long before the vaccine ever came out. Read your history.
    The same is hap here..which is why they don’t test those that had the virus in the trials.

    https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

    Notice on page 31 that: “The study excluded participants who were immunocompromised and those who had previous clinical or microbiological diagnosis of COVID-19.” this means they didn’t trial the vaccine on people who previously tested positive for Covid-19..

    Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.
    While you are correct on cellular mediated immunity in that T and helper T lymphocytes are where we get extended immune response, you must not understand that this occurs in post-infection immunity as well as from many vaccine induced immune responses. Macrophages are not cell mediated or antigen specific, cell mediated immune response is. Not sure on the covid shots, but I’d guess that it would be if your body is making an antigen which triggers essentially a natural immune response.

    I can’t believe all the anti Vaxxers. I went to four stores today and everyone was wearing a mask but me. I guess we are not following the CDC science now

    Edit to add: There is a nasty cold traveling around right now. My kids had it most of last week and were wrecked, wife has it now and is wrecked (sore throat, headache, congestion, cough etc.) pretty much COVID symptoms. So far I’ve dodged it. I slept on the couch last night, wife refuses to wear her mask in the house . This cold burned through our kids school, my sisters kids had it 30 miles away no contact with us, my parents had it 200 miles away no contact with us, so don’t be surprised when it visits near you. I hope I can dodge it, I have too much going on right now at work.
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    I wonder if pronounced side effect have anything to do with the relatively short duration between the first and second dose. Here in Quebec, it's almost 4 months between doses.
    Maybe cuz they don’t have enough to go around? Dunno man

    Which brand of vaccine are we talking about? If it’s Pfizer/moderna i wonder why they are using different durations in US and Canada.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    The first measles vaccine was in 1963. I don’t have any numbers to really back this up as I only spent about 30 seconds looking but a “virtually non-existent number of cases long before the vaccine” seems to be a stretch. It seems measles deaths were certainly declining due to advancements in medicine and supportive care but I didn’t see anything that showed number of cases dropping until the vaccine became available.



    Aw, I do read. In fact I just finished a pretty good book about Caesar by Adrian Goldsworthy. A decent intro into the late republic, it’s pretty hard to comprehend just how much happened in that man's lifetime. Solid read.
    I contracted measles in 1968, I was 6 years old, my younger sister was also infected, in my case I didn't suffer any long term effects, but the measles virus effected my sister's eyes and left her with a muscular weakness, (squint) in her left eye, she needed corrective surgery when she was a little older. In 1968 a measles vaccine was not readily available in the UK, at that time measles was a very common childhood disease over here.

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