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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    people are saying, "I am healthy...I am not worried about just a cold or a flu"aka covid19."

    You absolutely have the right to decline it, but we really should be past the point of pretending that it's not the right choice for the vast majority of people. It seems that being unvaxxed has become more of a personality trait than health question and the "libertarian" politicians, writers, and activists, despite knowing better, don't want to alienate their anti-vaxx followers.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    You absolutely have the right to decline it, but we really should be past the point of pretending that it's not the right choice for the vast majority of people. It seems that being unvaxxed has become more of a personality trait than health question and the "libertarian" politicians, writers, and activists, despite knowing better, don't want to alienate their anti-vaxx followers.
    So true but my own curiosity led me down the path of what is healthy, am I healthy, who defines healthy, and what is on the list?
    It was always a health question for this guy because others rely on me.
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    Pics of 5 dogs?
    Sure. Only this pic is right now since the little guys are sleeping next to me as I'm working


    Old lady dog with the pups pre-haircut, post-swimming pool post-drying off by rolling in mulch


    The two that destroy the most stuff around the house. (hard to believe she's almost 3x his weight)


    and finally one with my daughter's BC
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    ^ beautiful, thanks for sharing.... What I'd give to be part of your pack.
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    They do live a pretty good life. Have pups of your own?
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    Heartwarming pics of your awesome pups, JTD. Thanks for sharing 'em. A most welcome interlude ITT.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    They do live a pretty good life. Have pups of your own?
    One permanent resident (My wife is overly into dog rescue) and another we have had in our home for a bit over a year now working with through some issues which we may end up keeping. Love dogs, great animals and companions to humans.

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    Heartwarming pics of your awesome pups, JTD. Thanks for sharing 'em. A most welcome interlude ITT.
    Absolutely. Hopefully there is not many opposing dogs ITT.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    Sure. Only this pic is right now since the little guys are sleeping next to me as I'm working


    Old lady dog with the pups pre-haircut, post-swimming pool post-drying off by rolling in mulch


    The two that destroy the most stuff around the house. (hard to believe she's almost 3x his weight)


    and finally one with my daughter's BC
    Nice family you got there. The most I've had at once is 4, but I also had a zillion cats at the time.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    One permanent resident (My wife is overly into dog rescue) and another we have had in our home for a bit over a year now working with through some issues which we may end up keeping.
    Well your wife is clearly awesome (and you too). It's not easy to take the ones that haven't been treated well or have issues into your home and to help them.

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    Nice family you got there. The most I've had at once is 4, but I also had a zillion cats at the time.
    Four dogs plus cats. Consider me impressed! It seems like there'd almost have to be a few combinations that simply wouldn't work in that mix.


    I was told there are very few pets at the shelters that are not being adopted right now. If that's true, I'll consider it one of the few good things that came out of this pandemic.
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    Why would Biden declare a federal vaccine mandate for every American even though two previous Supreme Court decisions says his federal vaccine mandate is unconstitutional...? Because he is evil.
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    Originally Posted by ConcertinaWire View Post
    Why would Biden declare a federal vaccine mandate for every American even though two previous Supreme Court decisions says his federal vaccine mandate is unconstitutional...? Because he is evil.




    This is a simple workplace safety rule requiring businesses with over 100 employees to require vaccination or weekly testing. That’s it.

    Don’t want the vax? Don’t get it. Either your employer will allow weekly testing as an alternative, or fire you if they don’t feel like doing so.

    You don’t have a constitutional right to be employed at a particular business without complying with workplace safety rules & company policy.

    The executive branch has had the power (granted to it by the legislative branch) to regulate workplace health and safety since 1970.

    People still seem oblivious to just how much power the executive branch has been given by the legislative branch over the last century.

    To wit, the General Duty Clause gives the executive branch broad latitude, and Biden is easily within scope here:

    29 U.S.C. § 654, 5(a)1: Each employer shall furnish to each of his employees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees."

    29 U.S.C. § 654, 5(a)2: Each employer shall comply with occupational safety and health standards promulgated under this act.

    29 U.S.C. § 654, 5(b): Each employee shall comply with occupational safety and health standards and all rules, regulations, and orders issued pursuant to this Act which are applicable to his own actions and conduct.

    POTUS has had this authority for over half a century. And once the executive branch has a particular power granted to it by legislative action, good luck unwinding that.
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    This is a simple workplace safety rule requiring businesses with over 100 employees to require vaccination or weekly testing. That’s it.
    No, it's not it. The mortality rate for people of working age, that is under 65 is negligible. Vaccinated people can still catch and spread covid. There's not a single rational justification for the mandate other than power grab.

    You don’t have a constitutional right to be employed at a particular business without complying with workplace safety rules & company policy.

    The executive branch has had the power (granted to it by the legislative branch) to regulate workplace health and safety since 1970.
    Most people would be fine with businesses making their own decisions... if they were their own decisions. But they aren't, they are imposed by the government. If the government didn't impose it, people would be perfectly capable of leaving the job that has a mandate to go to a job that doesn't. Your argument reminds me of what my grandpa told me about his time under Mussolini: without the card of the Fascist Party nobody you couldn't get a job. Until 2 years ago nobody in their right mind would have said that was ever something we'd want to have in America. Now here you are. Makes you think what kind of abominations they have been able to brainwash you into accepting.

    People still seem oblivious to just how much power the executive branch has been given by the legislative branch over the last century.
    Or maybe people understand it very well and would like that to change.

    And once the executive branch has a particular power granted to it by legislative action, good luck unwinding that.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    Well your wife is clearly awesome (and you too). It's not easy to take the ones that haven't been treated well or have issues into your home and to help them.


    Four dogs plus cats. Consider me impressed! It seems like there'd almost have to be a few combinations that simply wouldn't work in that mix.


    I was told there are very few pets at the shelters that are not being adopted right now. If that's true, I'll consider it one of the few good things that came out of this pandemic.
    Some dogs are so messed up from their past. It's really tough work. After our last tough case I have told my wife no more dogs that nobody else will take. We've done our good deeds for a lifetime. Not to turn anyone off from rescuing though, 90% of dogs as shelters and rescues that need a home are great dogs with little work.

    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    This is a simple workplace safety rule requiring businesses with over 100 employees to require vaccination or weekly testing. That’s it.

    Don’t want the vax? Don’t get it. Either your employer will allow weekly testing as an alternative, or fire you if they don’t feel like doing so.

    You don’t have a constitutional right to be employed at a particular business without complying with workplace safety rules & company policy.

    The executive branch has had the power (granted to it by the legislative branch) to regulate workplace health and safety since 1970.

    People still seem oblivious to just how much power the executive branch has been given by the legislative branch over the last century.

    To wit, the General Duty Clause gives the executive branch broad latitude, and Biden is easily within scope here:

    29 U.S.C. § 654, 5(a)1: Each employer shall furnish to each of his employees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees."

    29 U.S.C. § 654, 5(a)2: Each employer shall comply with occupational safety and health standards promulgated under this act.

    29 U.S.C. § 654, 5(b): Each employee shall comply with occupational safety and health standards and all rules, regulations, and orders issued pursuant to this Act which are applicable to his own actions and conduct.

    POTUS has had this authority for over half a century. And once the executive branch has a particular power granted to it by legislative action, good luck unwinding that.
    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    No, it's not it. The mortality rate for people of working age, that is under 65 is negligible. Vaccinated people can still catch and spread covid. There's not a single rational justification for the mandate other than power grab.



    Most people would be fine with businesses making their own decisions... if they were their own decisions. But they aren't, they are imposed by the government. If the government didn't impose it, people would be perfectly capable of leaving the job that has a mandate to go to a job that doesn't. Your argument reminds me of what my grandpa told me about his time under Mussolini: without the card of the Fascist Party nobody you couldn't get a job. Until 2 years ago nobody in their right mind would have said that was ever something we'd want to have in America. Now here you are. Makes you think what kind of abominations they have been able to brainwash you into accepting.



    Or maybe people understand it very well and would like that to change.



    Well people like you who just acquiesce to this crap aren't exactly helping.
    The biggest problem I see is a lack of real data that Covid is spread less in fully vaxxed groups than unvaxxed groups. If they made a mandate decision based upon strong data like that, it would be a whole different story, but as far as I know good data surrounding that in any fashion doesn't exist, which completely blows my mind.
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    Finally Moderna released some data

    "There were 88 identified breakthrough cases out of 11,431 people vaccinated between December and March, the company said in a release,
    compared with 162 breakthrough cases out of 14,746 trial participants vaccinated in July through October of last year."
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    No, it's not it. The mortality rate for people of working age, that is under 65 is negligible. Vaccinated people can still catch and spread covid. There's not a single rational justification for the mandate other than power grab.
    The government has the ability to enforce workforce safety guidelines through OSHA. This falls under that. I was making no statement either way on efficacy the vaccine.


    Most people would be fine with businesses making their own decisions... if they were their own decisions. But they aren't, they are imposed by the government. If the government didn't impose it, people would be perfectly capable of leaving the job that has a mandate to go to a job that doesn't. Your argument reminds me of what my grandpa told me about his time under Mussolini: without the card of the Fascist Party nobody you couldn't get a job. Until 2 years ago nobody in their right mind would have said that was ever something we'd want to have in America. Now here you are. Makes you think what kind of abominations they have been able to brainwash you into accepting.
    Again, not really my argument, at this point it’s the law, but sure this will end up in court and by the time a court rules on this, most businesses will have used the opportunity to enforce it and would most likely adopt it as their own should it get struck down on a regulatory issue. So gov passes mandate, businesses co-opt and enforce it, court perhaps neuters it, and then businesses adopt mandate as their own. I don’t believe that is how a court would rule on this, but perhaps this strategy was baked in when debating it.


    Or maybe people understand it very well and would like that to change.
    I would be like it to change. The ineptitude of state governments and Congress led to the president gaining more and more power over time which was my point.


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    Doctors warn Americans NOT to gargle iodine to prevent Covid after anti-vaxxers falsely claim on social media that it protects against the virus
    Betadine, an iodine-based antiseptic, has been falsely deemed a potential COVID-19 prophylactic.

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    Doctors warn Americans NOT to gargle iodine to prevent Covid after anti-vaxxers falsely claim on social media that it protects against the virus
    Betadine, an iodine-based antiseptic, has been falsely deemed a potential COVID-19 prophylactic.

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    I lived in a big house deep in the country. I'm impressed that you're married to what you call a shrink. That word implies a few fields. What's hers?
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    Some dogs are so messed up from their past. It's really tough work. After our last tough case I have told my wife no more dogs that nobody else will take. We've done our good deeds for a lifetime...
    Sorry pal, but there's no OFF button. The longer you live, the more you care, unless you let alcohol destroy the quality.
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    Although the vaccine breaks through the blood brain barrier via injection, I don't think absorbing it through the gut is possible.
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    The biggest problem I see is a lack of real data that Covid is spread less in fully vaxxed groups than unvaxxed groups.
    So what? Since when does the government or your employer have anything to say about whether you'll spend a couple of days in bed with the sniffles or not? Does your employer also mandate you wear a rubber when you have sex so you don't catch the crabs? I don't know what happened that all of the sudden people think your employer can stick its nose in your own health. We went from not being able to ask people if they were HIV positive or had hepatitis to your employer mandating you get a jab in case you catch some sniffles? How did they convince people in just 1 year that things that would have been repulsive before are perfectly acceptable now?
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    Although the vaccine breaks through the blood brain barrier via injection, I don't think absorbing it through the gut is possible.

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    So yesterday in the MISC sub forum myself and mgftp were called "paid shills" for disagreeing with some of the wild statements made there; so i had to "ether, own, dunk on, and embarrass" the dude that made the claim.
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    Sorry pal, but there's no OFF button. The longer you live, the more you care, unless you let alcohol destroy the quality.
    She is on board. As two career oriented people we really aren't equipped to take the toughest of tough cases that demand significant hours each day.

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    So what? Since when does the government or your employer have anything to say about whether you'll spend a couple of days in bed with the sniffles or not? Does your employer also mandate you wear a rubber when you have sex so you don't catch the crabs? I don't know what happened that all of the sudden people think your employer can stick its nose in your own health. We went from not being able to ask people if they were HIV positive or had hepatitis to your employer mandating you get a jab in case you catch some sniffles? How did they convince people in just 1 year that things that would have been repulsive before are perfectly acceptable now?
    Not for personal safety although employers do require things like hardhats, but that's a seperate discussion and I think for this topic if that strong data did exist, the mandates would be for the safety of other employees, contractors, vendors, and customers

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    So yesterday in the MISC sub forum myself and mgftp were called "paid shills" for disagreeing with some of the wild statements made there; so i had to "ether, own, dunk on, and embarrass" the dude that made the claim.
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Although the vaccine breaks through the blood brain barrier via injection, I don't think absorbing it through the gut is possible.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    So what? Since when does the government or your employer have anything to say about whether you'll spend a couple of days in bed with the sniffles or not? Does your employer also mandate you wear a rubber when you have sex so you don't catch the crabs? I don't know what happened that all of the sudden people think your employer can stick its nose in your own health. We went from not being able to ask people if they were HIV positive or had hepatitis to your employer mandating you get a jab in case you catch some sniffles? How did they convince people in just 1 year that things that would have been repulsive before are perfectly acceptable now?
    So much this ^^.

    I say again, over. This is NEVER about the jab and rona. This is about curtailing Liberties and encroachment of what's left of our freedoms.

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    Originally Posted by NorwichGrad View Post
    So much this ^^.

    I say again, over. This is NEVER about the jab and rona. This is about curtailing Liberties and encroachment of what's left of our freedoms.

    Joe: You are safe if you are jabbed.

    Also Joe: You are NOT safe from the unjabbed.

    Gubmint is notorious for taking a mile when Humanity gives an inch.

    We are being conditioned to blindly follow the mandates of the state. Next thing they will tell us to shove bananas up our sphincter, and those who choose NOT to have a banana in their buttholes will be turned into an outcast.

    I'd rather be free without a banana in my butthole. The rest of the nuthugging gubmint sheep can walk around with a banana in their bungholios.
    I think I'm starting to believe this is a low-key political move. Democrat = safety vs Republican = freedom. People are saying this isn't political, yet it clearly is.
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