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    People need to keep in mind whenever you hear backlash against covid treatment that the only way to push through an Emergency Use Authorization for any drug including vaccines is "when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives". If there is adequate, approved, available covid treatment, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J can't get their vaccine authorized until it's gone through the usual channels. I know we all like to think drug approval is based on science and evidence but I think that delusion went out of the window a while ago.
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    I've been up-close exposed to dozens of people who were active with covid and I am unvaccinated. It's not broke for me, so I'm not fixing it.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    People need to keep in mind whenever you hear backlash against covid treatment that the only way to push through an Emergency Use Authorization for any drug including vaccines is "when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives". If there is adequate, approved, available covid treatment, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J can't get their vaccine authorized until it's gone through the usual channels. I know we all like to think drug approval is based on science and evidence but I think that delusion went out of the window a while ago.
    So what do you think the the recent Pfizer vaccine approval was based on? How much was the data from the clinical trials considered in the process in your opinion?
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    People need to keep in mind whenever you hear backlash against covid treatment that the only way to push through an Emergency Use Authorization for any drug including vaccines is "when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives". If there is adequate, approved, available covid treatment, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J can't get their vaccine authorized until it's gone through the usual channels. I know we all like to think drug approval is based on science and evidence but I think that delusion went out of the window a while ago.
    True from what I've read anyway. That's probably why Ivermectin probably getting such a backlash even though some studies are showing it to be very effective.

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    I've been up-close exposed to dozens of people who were active with covid and I am unvaccinated. It's not broke for me, so I'm not fixing it.
    I know several people that were around people that had it as well when they were not vaxxed. They even shared a a particular smoking device, yet never got it. And they aren't even the healthy type of people, just mid 40s.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    So what do you think the the recent Pfizer vaccine approval was based on? How much was the data from the clinical trials considered in the process in your opinion?
    I don't have the faintest idea, but as I said, I am not just going to assume it was all about good solid data. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

    All I can tell you is that I know several people who work in medical startups, some have tried to get their product FDA approved for TEN YEARS, with the FDA sending their documentation back for any possible trivial reason they could find, so do I find the Pfizer approval suspicious? You bet your azz I do. And let's face it the medical establishment (and by that I mean FDA, CDC, NIH, WHO, etc) has done nothing to win my trust in the last year and a half.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    I don't have the faintest idea, but as I said, I am not just going to assume it was all about good solid data. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

    All I can tell you is that I know several people who work in medical startups, some have tried to get their product FDA approved for TEN YEARS, with the FDA sending their documentation back for any possible trivial reason they could find, so do I find the Pfizer approval suspicious? You bet your azz I do. And let's face it the medical establishment (and by that I mean FDA, CDC, NIH, WHO, etc) has done nothing to win my trust in the last year and a half.
    "Hey guise, I have no idea about the data - I just know several people in medical startups trying to get their shiity supplements FDA approved and it won't happen, yet a little pandemic that killed 600K people in the US in one year gets the FDA to put a priority on a vaccine? I don't buy it because the CDC, the WHO, et al., could not get everything perfect with a new strain of coronavirus no man has seen before. I expect world-renowned scientists to be magicians."
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    I've been up-close exposed to dozens of people who were active with covid and I am unvaccinated. It's not broke for me, so I'm not fixing it.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    "Hey guise, I have no idea about the data - I just know several people in medical startups trying to get their shiity supplements FDA approved and it won't happen, yet a little pandemic that killed 600K people in the US in one year gets the FDA to put a priority on a vaccine? I don't buy it because the CDC, the WHO, et al., could not get everything perfect with a new strain of coronavirus no man has seen before. I expect world-renowned scientists to be magicians."
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    Originally Posted by 2nd_chance View Post
    I've been up-close exposed to dozens of people who were active with covid and I am unvaccinated. It's not broke for me, so I'm not fixing it.
    How do you explain that, super healthy and fit with zero underlying conditions, or just dumb luck?
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    Originally Posted by 2nd_chance View Post
    I've been up-close exposed to dozens of people who were active with covid and I am unvaccinated. It's not broke for me, so I'm not fixing it.
    Amen.

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    The difference between me and you is that when you don't know if you can trust them or not, you choose to blindly trust them and I don't. At my house we call people who trust too easily "suckers".
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    "Trust the science."

    "What's the science?"

    "...."

    I've had that conversation far too often recently.
    There are two types of sciences:

    a. Real science conducted by third party. This group follows proper protocols and are typically funded privately.

    b. Pseudo science funded by gubmint via stolen loot (i.e. taxes). This group has an agenda, and that is to support gubmint narrative. This group has a little science plus lots of politics. When you mix science (regardless of dosage) with some politics (even 1% politics), POLITICS WILL ALWAYS WIN.
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    How do you explain that, super healthy and fit with zero underlying conditions, or just dumb luck?
    Why would it be dumb luck, Ben? Can't it also be a healthy lifestyle +/- good luck. Plenty of people were lucky and had asymptomatic infections.
    It's possible it's not dumb or good luck and he'll actually get sick when he get's exposed to a higher viral load, and if it happens right before a vacation or something, that'd be really bad luck.

    We don't know, so I'll hope it was the good luck option and that he's got some great immunity !
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    Why would it be dumb luck, Ben? Can't it also be a healthy lifestyle +/- good luck. Plenty of people were lucky and had asymptomatic infections.
    It's possible it's not dumb or good luck and he'll actually get sick when he get's exposed to a higher viral load, and if it happens right before a vacation or something, that'd be really bad luck.

    We don't know, so I'll hope it was the good luck option and that he's got some great immunity !
    I was just using a tired old phrase, i thought about omitting "dumb" but left it in because most people know the term.
    Especially people in this sub forum.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    I don't have the faintest idea, but as I said, I am not just going to assume it was all about good solid data. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

    All I can tell you is that I know several people who work in medical startups, some have tried to get their product FDA approved for TEN YEARS, with the FDA sending their documentation back for any possible trivial reason they could find, so do I find the Pfizer approval suspicious? You bet your azz I do. And let's face it the medical establishment (and by that I mean FDA, CDC, NIH, WHO, etc) has done nothing to win my trust in the last year and a half.
    Care to elaborate more about these medical startups and more specifics on the request for further information so we can talk about comparing it to Pfizer approval?
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    "Trust the science."

    "What's the science?"

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    I've had that conversation far too often recently.
    Funny because my post didn't mention science, it mentioned specific organizations that I named so if you have trouble reading there isn't much I can do to help you.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    Funny because my post didn't mention science, it mentioned specific organizations that I named so if you have trouble reading there isn't much I can do to help you.
    I was adding to your point, not disagreeing. So many people "trust the science" when what they really mean is "trust the government".
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    I was adding to your point, not disagreeing. So many people "trust the science" when what they really mean is "trust the government".
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    I was adding to your point, not disagreeing. So many people "trust the science" when what they really mean is "trust the government".
    Ah good, thank you, because I've had it up to here with the "but the science..." crap. I don't have a problem with science, I have a problem with politics and money masquerading as science.
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    Originally Posted by NorwichGrad View Post
    GUBMINT.

    NOT GOVERNMENT.

    GUBMINT.

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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    I was just using a tired old phrase, i thought about omitting "dumb" but left it in because most people know the term.
    Especially people in this sub forum.
    I am happy for him but trying to understand this thing.
    If someone is young, doesn't feel perfectly comfortable with the vaccines' safety, doesn't buy into the protecting others by getting this vaccine mindset, and/or thinks they've already been exposed, they're not going to get the vaccine.

    You know, that's the second phrase I didn't catch the meaning of. To me, dumb luck indicated it was unexpected while David doesn't seem like he ever expected to get sick.
    I also didn't (and still don't) get "my soul is peppered", which someone posted earlier and said was intentional. Maybe it was intentional humor or a movie reference. Do you know?
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    If someone is young, doesn't feel perfectly comfortable with the vaccines' safety, doesn't buy into the protecting others by getting this vaccine mindset, and/or thinks they've already been exposed, they're not going to get the vaccine.

    You know, that's the second phrase I didn't catch the meaning of. To me, dumb luck indicated it was unexpected while David doesn't seem like he ever expected to get sick.
    I also didn't (and still don't) get "my soul is peppered", which someone posted earlier and said was intentional. Maybe it was intentional humor or a movie reference. Do you know?
    It's a childish replacement word for 'prepared'. As in "my angus (anus) is peppered"
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    The difference between me and you is that when you don't know if you can trust them or not, you choose to blindly trust them and I don't. At my house we call people who trust too easily "suckers".
    No, the best part is the CDC, WHO, et al. are cherry picking the data that fits their narrative.

    It's not like they count every death in which a person tested positive within 28 days as a covid death, regardless of what disease or event they actually died from. Totally trust worthy.
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
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    This one I knew, but it didn't seem to fit. I hadn't even thought of it being intentional like bustasinclair suggested.
    Either or I guess, and thank you both.
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    That's because of your Jesus Crew status. Covid don't mess around with dat dere Jesus crew, I hear.
    Even if it did, the worst that can happen is living in heaven for eternity with God and his son and all the other good folks.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    This one I knew, but it didn't seem to fit. I hadn't even thought of it being intentional like bustasinclair suggested.
    Either or I guess, and thank you both.
    I thought it fit. "my soul is peppered" just means that his soul has taken a beating.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    The difference between me and you is that when you don't know if you can trust them or not, you choose to blindly trust them and I don't. At my house we call people who trust too easily "suckers".
    I sold my primary business and retired at age 42. I can assure you that I do not blindly trust people/corporations nor am I a sucker. This seems to align with all the other young retirees I've met.

    Once the company you worked for 15 years decided to mandate vaccinations, this motivated you to look for other companies to work for within your field. You reported that the wages you were offered were much higher than the company you worked for was paying you. I think that is great. Good for you. Just don't let something like a pandemic every 20 years or so and smiling bosses keep you a sucker - always know your marketplace value and always be willing to exercise it.
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