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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    How do you feel?
    Any strange, well documented things going on with you yet?
    A sore shoulder does not count, we workout and are used to pain or should be.
    I actually had them hit me in the same shoulder where I've got some bursitis or something else giving me lingering pain from training already, so yeah, any soreness will be indistinguishable from status quo. Haven't felt any different whatsoever yet.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    This cuts both ways. One persons desire for zero risk of disease does not outweigh the other persons personal safety to put into their body what they want. It's also simply not a good meme for covid regarding vaccinations because someone else's vaccination status has little bearing on your own personal safety.

    If we really believed this meme we would outlaw swimming pools yesterday. There are more deaths by drowning for kids under 15 in a typical year than the entire pandemic. Why should someone be able to have a luxury item that poses such an imminent risk to children!
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    Any definitive evidence that the population will need boosters? Or boosters just for the immuno-compromised?
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    damn, the dark days really are coming arent they. my soul is peppered.
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    My company decided to go full retard and make vaccination an employment requirement. No proof of vaccination by Sept 30th and you are out.

    So I started looking for a new job.

    In 2 weeks I got a dozen of cold calls from recruiters plus several answers to my job applications. I have an offer for a job 2 levels above what I am doing now and $30K over my current salary. Meanwhile another company is begging me to please please not accept that offer until they have the chance to make a counter offer.

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    Originally Posted by ectoBgone View Post
    This cuts both ways. One persons desire for zero risk of disease does not outweigh the other persons personal safety to put into their body what they want. It's also simply not a good meme for covid regarding vaccinations because someone else's vaccination status has little bearing on your own personal safety.

    If we really believed this meme we would outlaw swimming pools yesterday. There are more deaths by drowning for kids under 15 in a typical year than the entire pandemic. Why should someone be able to have a luxury item that poses such an imminent risk to children!
    It seems very reasonable for masks in public places though.

    Also, why use pools? We don't outlaw accidents and we actually do require fences around inground pools. I have to have a locking gate too, and if some kid drowned in my pool because the gate lock was broken, I would be liable.

    Why not use cars? Maybe we should outlaw cars that can go over 75mph in the US? Or should we put a GPS tracker in all new cars so you get a ticket every time you exceed the speed limit by more than 10%?
    After all, 38,000 deaths each year and 4 million injuries that require treatment, and speeding is a contributor in about 1 third of those. And all we'd really be doing is enforcing the laws we already have in place.

    We don't do things like that partly because it would be unpopular, but also because if you injure someone else while speeding, we can see the event. With COVID, we can't see if a patient dies because somebody with the sniffles decided they "couldn't" be forced to wear a mask in Walmart and sneezed on them.

    Every right we protect or provide with our constitution has limits. That meme essentially says you may have the right to swing your fists, but that right ends at the tip of someone else's nose.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    My company decided to go full retard and make vaccination an employment requirement. No proof of vaccination by Sept 30th and you are out.

    So I started looking for a new job.

    In 2 weeks I got a dozen of cold calls from recruiters plus several answers to my job applications. I have an offer for a job 2 levels above what I am doing now and $30K over my current salary. Meanwhile another company is begging me to please please not accept that offer until they have the chance to make a counter offer.

    Dear vaccine nazis, you can eat sweaty hairy balls.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    All the best, sy ❤️
    So nice of you! Yeah been at my company 15 years, so not easy to pull the plug but any company that wants to see my medical papers to employ me can eat sweaty hairy balls.
    So yeah when people say "well, what are you doing about it?" I can say I quit my job over it. Enough people do that and this crazy chit will stop.
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    Originally Posted by ectoBgone View Post
    There are more deaths by drowning for kids under 15 in a typical year than the entire pandemic.
    Jason, this shocked me, so I looked it up. I'm not finding anything close to 650,000 deaths per year from all drownings let alone under 15 yrs old. Not trying to argue, but where did you find this stat? Just curious.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    So nice of you! Yeah been at my company 15 years, so not easy to pull the plug but any company that wants to see my medical papers to employ me can eat sweaty hairy balls.
    So yeah when people say "well, what are you doing about it?" I can say I quit my job over it. Enough people do that and this crazy chit will stop.

    Good luck on this SY, sounds like the ball is in your court with some good opportunities. If you get a new position we may get some crazy co worker stories..

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    Originally Posted by bustasinclair View Post
    Jason, this shocked me, so I looked it up. I'm not finding anything close to 650,000 deaths per year from all drownings let alone under 15 yrs old. Not trying to argue, but where did you find this stat? Just curious.
    Because the total number of deaths "involving" covid for ages 0-17 years is 400 according to the CDC.
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    Originally Posted by ectoBgone View Post
    Because the total number of deaths "involving" covid for ages 0-17 years is 400 according to the CDC.
    Gotcha. I just misunderstood your post.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    It seems very reasonable for masks in public places though.
    In general I don't disagree, though I think in many cases the masks are fairly useless (e.g., grocery shopping, going to Lowe's, etc).


    Also, why use pools? We don't outlaw accidents and we actually do require fences around inground pools. I have to have a locking gate too, and if some kid drowned in my pool because the gate lock was broken, I would be liable.

    Why not use cars? Maybe we should outlaw cars that can go over 75mph in the US? Or should we put a GPS tracker in all new cars so you get a ticket every time you exceed the speed limit by more than 10%?
    After all, 38,000 deaths each year and 4 million injuries that require treatment, and speeding is a contributor in about 1 third of those. And all we'd really be doing is enforcing the laws we already have in place.

    We don't do things like that partly because it would be unpopular, but also because if you injure someone else while speeding, we can see the event. With COVID, we can't see if a patient dies because somebody with the sniffles decided they "couldn't" be forced to wear a mask in Walmart and sneezed on them.

    Every right we protect or provide with our constitution has limits. That meme essentially says you may have the right to swing your fists, but that right ends at the tip of someone else's nose.
    I think we're saying the same thing. We don' t restrict freedoms with the goal of creating zero risk of accidents or deaths. In my opinion, forced vaccination is in the area of very marginal return on investment for reducing risk to others especially when it comes at the cost of forcing someone to receive a medical treatment that they don't want.
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    Originally Posted by ectoBgone View Post
    In my opinion, forced vaccination is in the area of very marginal return on investment for reducing risk to others especially when it comes at the cost of forcing someone to receive a medical treatment that they don't want.
    I agree with this, especially now that we aren't even vaccinating against the circulating strain, but "forced" is still a tricky word to use. We require a lot of vaccines of kids going to school, and deciding which should be required is clearly a bit arbitrary. With businesses, I suspect many are being led by media and politics and are ignoring science and math. Of course it's also a way for more "liberal" businesses to legally purge employees that may not conform to their politics/culture. That just occurred to me and I wonder if it's actually happening with that intent. Wouldn't surprise me if it is, but it could clearly bite them in the ... later on.
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    damn, the dark days really are coming arent they. my soul is peppered.
    I think that peppered is a typo, but it did make me smile
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    So nice of you! Yeah been at my company 15 years, so not easy to pull the plug but any company that wants to see my medical papers to employ me can eat sweaty hairy balls.
    So yeah when people say "well, what are you doing about it?" I can say I quit my job over it. Enough people do that and this crazy chit will stop.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    My company decided to go full retard and make vaccination an employment requirement. No proof of vaccination by Sept 30th and you are out.

    So I started looking for a new job.

    In 2 weeks I got a dozen of cold calls from recruiters plus several answers to my job applications. I have an offer for a job 2 levels above what I am doing now and $30K over my current salary. Meanwhile another company is begging me to please please not accept that offer until they have the chance to make a counter offer.

    Dear vaccine nazis, you can eat sweaty hairy balls.
    Lol @ it taking a vaccine requirement to discover what your value is in the marketplace. Sounds like you should be thanking the vaccine nazis.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Lol @ it taking a vaccine requirement to discover what your value is in the marketplace. Sounds like you should be thanking the vaccine nazis.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    To O35 - z4v4 is a hated and poisonous member troll of the bb.com forum in other areas. He has no redeeming value and he should be ignored. Just a suggestion, but neg on sight.
    Huh? I just gave her insight into how to not stay at a job with an employer that has been taking advantage of you for over a decade. I could talk about how to negotiate a proper starting salary, but I think she'd mess it up, so I'm keeping things basic for now.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    I agree with this, especially now that we aren't even vaccinating against the circulating strain...
    This actually jogged my memory on something I wanted to ask you. I feel lazy for not researching it much myself, but isn't the booster simply a re-spin of the vaccine encoded for the antigen associated with delta? Is it a "booster" because the dosing is smaller or does something make it fundamentally different than the original vaccine? Aside from the sunk cost of the existing vaccine already manufactured, why not just reset the current vaccines administered to encode the most recent variant? I thought that was part of the benefit of mRNA technology. It should allow for quick pivots for variants. Thanks for your time.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Good one
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    It seems very reasonable for masks in public places though.
    when is doing something that doesnt work ever very reasonable to do
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    Originally Posted by fishnbrah View Post
    when is doing something that doesnt work ever very reasonable to do
    Flu Season?
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Flu Season?
    if it makes you feel better, go for it bud.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    I think that peppered is a typo, but it did make me smile
    its not, youre just extremely unaware.
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