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    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post
    Praraphrase: Well, we don't know if previous infection will help protect against future unknown strains...


    OK , great, so show me studies that the current vaccine will help against other (unknown) strains. Especially given that the Delta variant shows problems with vaccine coverage/effectiveness.
    We will see after they look at their data after booster, which was rolled out in Israel about 4 weeks ago.
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    Covid negative. Life resumes.

    Originally Posted by pondus_levo View Post
    Rapid tests are not reliable, esp if you do not have most of the symptoms. My daughter got the rapid and it came back negative. She finally took a molecular test a week later, after she was already recovering, and it came back positive.

    Do the molecular. It only takes a day.
    From what I understand PCR tests are the most accurate and that is what I got.
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    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post

    However, in the rush to create and establish vaccine mandates, these people with SUPERIOR immunity to the vaccinated are being ignored/minimized. When, in reality, they are LESS LIKELY to get sick and SPREAD covid than the vaccinated.


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    Covid negative. Life resumes.



    From what I understand PCR tests are the most accurate and that is what I got.

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    ^^^^^^ Some cold hard Facts right there.
    Ok, so from the logistics point of view - how do you establish this superiority? How are we supposed to (in the middle of global pandemic) separate these superior people and have separate mandates for them? What agency would be doing that? We can't even ask people to put their god damn masks in Walmart lol.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Covid negative. Life resumes.

    From what I understand PCR tests are the most accurate and that is what I got.
    We had the same about 3 weeks ago, my daughter seemed to have a cold. Tested negative, it cleared in a couple of days, so may have been allergies.
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    What about those who didn't recover. Does it work for them too?
    Certainly more unvaccinated killed by the Rona than killed by adverse reactions to the vaccines (13k or so?). That is the cost of playing the game though . Really sucks for the people who got vaccinated and still died from COVID.

    I was just drafting an email earlier in an effort to increase compliance with our internal protocols. It's tricky to find the right tone given that half the people don't care at all and the other half are scared for their lives.

    When you are here, please wear your fuken mask and stay away from each other, no matter what you think about covid - thanks!
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    Originally Posted by lotusdeva View Post
    Ok, so from the logistics point of view - how do you establish this superiority? How are we supposed to (in the middle of global pandemic) separate these superior people and have separate mandates for them? What agency would be doing that? We can't even ask people to put their god damn masks in Walmart lol.

    Show me where I said something should be done, you are going off on a tangent about the logistic and I could care less.

    I simply stated that what CommitmentRulz wrote in quote that I provided was some "Cold Hard Facts" and they were... Even Stevie Wonder can see that.


    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post

    However, in the rush to create and establish vaccine mandates, these people with SUPERIOR immunity to the vaccinated are being ignored/minimized. When, in reality, they are LESS LIKELY to get sick and SPREAD covid than the vaccinated.
    If you want to deflect from the fact that CommitmentRulz had a solid point in the quote I provided, have at it, fill your boots, I have no dog i that fight..
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Show me where I said something should be done, you are going off on a tangent about the logistic and I could care less.

    I simply stated that what CommitmentRulz wrote in quote that I provided was some "Cold Hard Facts" and they were... Even Stevie Wonder can see that.




    If you want to deflect from the fact that CommitmentRulz had a solid point in the quote I provided, have at it, fill your boots, I have no dog i that fight..
    My reply was to his post actually, not sure why your reply was included. My bet.
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    Originally Posted by lotusdeva View Post
    Ok, so from the logistics point of view - how do you establish this superiority? How are we supposed to (in the middle of global pandemic) separate these superior people and have separate mandates for them? What agency would be doing that? We can't even ask people to put their god damn masks in Walmart lol.
    It has nothing to do with logistics, unless we all get a vacation or something? For identification, neon green t-shirts that say "I survived COVID" would work, or crowns like the burger king guy, but we would have to control those better than they have the vaccination cards, don't want anyone frauding their post infection immunity status (although there are many millions who have had it and never even knew). That said, everything still looks pretty solid so far on the post infection immunity front, but that could always change too with a significant mutation. That will be incredibly important because breakthrough infections in vaccinated people will generate a natural immune response with a lower risk of a bad outcome.
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    Originally Posted by lotusdeva View Post
    My reply was to his post actually, not sure why your reply was included. My bet.
    ok no worries, that makes more sense now LOL...
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    Originally Posted by lotusdeva View Post
    My reply was to his post actually, not sure why your reply was included. My bet.
    I just had a system glitch that was weird and I hope I didn't accidentally neg one of your posts. Will feel terrible if I did because I was trying to agree with it.

    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    I simply stated that what CommitmentRulz wrote in quote that I provided was some "Cold Hard Facts" and they were... Even Stevie Wonder can see that.
    Regardless of whether she replied to CR or you, she made a good point. We really don't know who has superior immunity when we simply talk about the people who had 2 shots vs one infection. It's important to remember that some of those people in the infection group had the wild type virus over a year ago, and some have recently had an infection with delta. There's clearly going to be a difference between their immunity to the currently circulating strains.

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    I just had a system glitch that was weird and I hope I didn't accidentally neg one of your posts. Will feel terrible if I did because I was trying to agree with it.



    Regardless of whether she replied to CR or you, she made a good point. We really don't know who has superior immunity when we simply talk about the people who had 2 shots vs one infection. It's important to remember that some of those people in the infection group had the wild type virus over a year ago, and some have recently had an infection with delta. There's clearly going to be a difference between their immunity to the currently circulating strains.

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    I added some reputation to her to offset the mistake.
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    Wouldn't it be nice if biden and all the other politicians would STFU on what recommendations are being "considered", and if the news outlets could stop asking about it. Also, who is the "US"?
    I'll bet the "US" is also weighing recommending them at 6 months, 8 months, odd Thursdays in in our birthday months, and whenever Pfizer, J&J, or Moderna's stocks dip.

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    Regardless of whether she replied to CR or you, she made a good point. We really don't know who has superior immunity when we simply talk about the people who had 2 shots vs one infection. It's important to remember that some of those people in the infection group had the wild type virus over a year ago, and some have recently had an infection with delta. There's clearly going to be a difference between their immunity to the currently circulating strains.

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    I would think for many of us who are out in the world, around a lot of different people regularly, we have been exposed to the pathogen repeatedly. This is like little “boosters” on the regular for natural immunity. Pathogen comes in, begins infecting some cells but not enough to result in symptoms, immune system responds and attacks the infected cells and free virus particles? Immune doesn’t necessarily mean free from exposure and and infection at the cellular level, but likely a sufficient response that replication isn’t occurring at a level to allow viral shedding and becoming contagious. At least from what I can recall from immunology about 20 years ago (guessing there has been some new info since then). But “immune” does not mean you can’t be reinfected at a cellular level, it’s just “handled” before there is enough systemic damage from the virus to result in symptoms. I also wonder how accurate “asymptomatic” spreading is versus pre-symtomatic. It would seem that if you have enough viral replication going on to transmit disease, you would also be on the way to enough disruption in terms of cellular lysis local and systemic immune response (inflammation etc) to be having symptoms soon after.
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    1. What natural strategies could be done to lessen the effects of a Covid positive experience?
    2. Those with "super immunity" have what characteristics in common that we can learn something from?
    Still waiting on and trying to research the answers.

    I asked my seafood guy how his Covid positive experience was, and he said for he and his wife nothing happened. But for his 12 year old son it was bad. I thik he is in mid mid 50's, normal weight, red hair and nothing special. I dont get it.
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    OKYO, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Two people died after receiving Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine shots that were among lots later suspended following the discovery of contaminants, Japan's health ministry said on Saturday.
    A thread on this was in the misc, metal particulates..... so all 3 million doses were trashed.
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    You know since this thing started i wondered 2 things.
    1. What natural strategies could be done to lessen the effects of a Covid positive experience?
    2. Those with "super immunity" have what characteristics in common that we can learn something from?
    Still waiting on and trying to research the answers.

    I asked my seafood guy how his Covid positive experience was, and he said for he and his wife nothing happened. But for his 12 year old son it was bad. I thik he is in mid mid 50's, 'normal weight', red hair and nothing special. I dont get it.
    I think that 'normal weight' in the USA these days, might be special.
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    My wife is an RN at a hospital in Louisville. They've internally noted that currently 81% of all of their covid patients are unvaccinated, and 86% of those in the ICU are unvaccinated. It confirms to me that I was right in getting vaccinated but that I'm still capable (albeit less likely) to contract it and possibly even become very sick.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    You know since this thing started i wondered 2 things.
    1. What natural strategies could be done to lessen the effects of a Covid positive experience?
    2. Those with "super immunity" have what characteristics in common that we can learn something from?
    Still waiting on and trying to research the answers.

    I asked my seafood guy how his Covid positive experience was, and he said for he and his wife nothing happened. But for his 12 year old son it was bad. I thik he is in mid mid 50's, normal weight, red hair and nothing special. I dont get it.
    I'm no immunologist and don't claim to have any special expertise in communicable diseases, but I think levels of exposure/viral load may have more to do with a persons outcome than any other variable.

    I think my exposure to Covid-19 was very minimal as I had zero respiratory symptoms and I did not shed virus. All I had was extreme fatigue, body aches, severe headache and loss of smell and taste. But I could be wrong of course.
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    Family coming here from NH this coming week. They are all x2 dosed, and have to show negative crossing the border.

    Nervous for all of us.

    Only a handful of cases around here, apparently all in the unvaccinated
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    I think that 'normal weight' in the USA these days, might be special.
    Yeah, are we talking 1950s Wally and the Beaver normal weight, or 2021 I work out weight? Are we still using those charts from medical school (height and weight)or bmi, or weightlifter weight?
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    Originally Posted by bustasinclair View Post
    I'm no immunologist and don't claim to have any special expertise in communicable diseases, but I think levels of exposure/viral load may have more to do with a persons outcome than any other variable.

    I think my exposure to Covid-19 was very minimal as I had zero respiratory symptoms and I did not shed virus. All I had was extreme fatigue, body aches, severe headache and loss of smell and taste. But I could be wrong of course.
    So then repeated exposure, like going into a job with poor air quality would over time have an impact on your lungs and respiratory system. Makes sense.
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    Originally Posted by Cantplankwell View Post
    Family coming here from NH this coming week. They are all x2 dosed, and have to show negative crossing the border.

    Nervous for all of us.

    Only a handful of cases around here, apparently all in the unvaccinated
    Oh boy, let's guess how this story plays out.
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    Originally Posted by Cantplankwell View Post
    Family coming here from NH this coming week. They are all x2 dosed, and have to show negative crossing the border.

    Nervous for all of us.

    Only a handful of cases around here, apparently all in the unvaccinated
    We now have state border crossing inspections?
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    We now have state border crossing inspections?
    Canada is not a US state. Its an entirely different, independent country.
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    We now have state border crossing inspections?
    For a long time Canada was stricter than the US and just recently let the Toronto Blue Jay's return from playimg their games in a minor league stadium in Buffalo.

    So now instead of just waving your CDC card it looks like Canada now requires a negative test result close to the date of travel for entry into the country.
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