Will you get vaccinated?

[supramax]

Welcome to the misc. Most posts here don't make sense.

Perhaps, on this thread. In this instance, though, it's just a matter of wording.

[mtpockets]

[KeepItMoving]

Nope, it’s dumb to get the Covid shot for my age group. As of right now, I have zero percent chance of myocarditis, blood clots, and any other adverse reaction from the shot. So why would I take a shot that then increases my chances of contracting one of those reactions to a percentage greater than zero?

And no, I don’t care about your grandma. Especially not enough to jeopardize my own health.

Meanwhile, I totally understand your post, except for the grandma part. I will do my level best to social distance from other peoples' grandmas.

[mgftp]

Stop posting things that make sense.

Meanwhile, I totally understand your post, except for the grandma part. I will do my level best to social distance from other peoples' grandmas.

What about Grandma's in their 30s?

[supramax]

For sure, the anti vax morons weren't around in the fifties.

[supramax]

Meanwhile, I totally understand your post...

I understand what he was trying to say, but the way he phrased it, didn't make sense.

[MuscleXtreme]

[mg]https://i.imgur.com/an761oP.jpg?1[/img]

Imagine comparing Covid with a 99.998% survival rate to small pox, with a much lower survival rate. They’re not even analogous.

[MuscleXtreme]

I understand what he was trying to say, but the way he phrased it, didn't make sense.

Maybe you’re too tired, maybe English is your second language, either way, the post makes sense. Or it just may be too logical for you.

[supramax]

Maybe you’re too tired, maybe English is your second language, either way, the post makes sense. Or it just may be too logical for you.

I'm not even tempted to explain it to you, because I don't waste time arguing with stupid people.

[TolerantLactose]

For sure, the anti vax morons weren't around in the fifties.

I'm vaccinated for smallpox, polio, MMR, DPT, HBV, influenza every year for the past 2 decades but not covid. Friends and colleagues who know this consider me anti vax. Curious how meanings change.

[mgftp]

I'm vaccinated for smallpox, polio, MMR, DPT, HBV, influenza every year for the past 2 decades but not covid. Friends and colleagues who know this consider me anti vax. Curious how meanings change.

I think in many cases it's just easier to than saying anti-covid-vax. I mean I do the same thing although technically not correct. It's also just the topic at hand these days. Hear a lot more people talking Covid vax than the other vaxes and autism and conversations of old.

[JustTheDad]

Maybe you’re too tired, maybe English is your second language, either way, the post makes sense.

It mostly makes sense and it's fine if you're more worried about the vaccine than the virus. But, are you aware that your overall risk of getting a cardiomyopathy is now much higher than an age/risk factor matched person who gets the vaccine. Because you will get infected if you haven't already been.

There's a link to an article on college athletes on this thread somewhere that looked at cardiomyopathies. The relative risks of having any of those outcomes you're worried about from the virus is actually greater than from the vaccine. That appears to be the case even if your infection is sub-clinical which makes sense since you'll get more of the spike protein from a sub clinical infection than you would from the vaccines.

I'm fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. The vaccine has risks for anybody getting it. Then again, not getting it also has risks for anyone who decides not to. I think it would be nice if people were actually aware of what risks they're choosing when they decline the vaccine, but most, like you, aren't.

[TolerantLactose]

I think in many cases it's just easier to than saying anti-covid-vax. I mean I do the same thing although technically not correct. It's also just the topic at hand these days. Hear a lot more people talking Covid vax than the other vaxes and autism and conversations of old.

No, one friend said I "don't believe in science" (exact words).

[mgftp]

Maybe you’re too tired, maybe English is your second language, either way, the post makes sense. Or it just may be too logical for you.

It mostly makes sense and it's fine if you're more worried about the vaccine than the virus. But, are you aware that your overall risk of getting a cardiomyopathy is now much higher than an age/risk factor matched person who gets the vaccine. Because you will get infected if you haven't already been.

There's a link to an article on college athletes on this thread somewhere that looked at cardiomyopathies. The relative risks of having any of those outcomes you're worried about from the virus is actually greater than from the vaccine. That appears to be the case even if your infection is sub-clinical which makes sense since you'll get more of the spike protein from a sub clinical infection than you would from the vaccines.

I'm fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. The vaccine has risks for anybody getting it. Then again, not getting it also has risks for anyone who decides not to. I think it would be nice if people were actually aware of what risks they're choosing when they decline the vaccine, but most, like you, aren't.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

No, one friend said I "don't believe in science" (exact words).

I am not sure what that has to do with the correct or incorrect calling of someone anti-vax.

[x-trainer ben]

It mostly makes sense and it's fine if you're more worried about the vaccine than the virus. But, are you aware that your overall risk of getting a cardiomyopathy is now much higher than an age/risk factor matched person who gets the vaccine. Because you will get infected if you haven't already been.

There's a link to an article on college athletes on this thread somewhere that looked at cardiomyopathies. The relative risks of having any of those outcomes you're worried about from the virus is actually greater than from the vaccine. That appears to be the case even if your infection is sub-clinical which makes sense since you'll get more of the spike protein from a sub clinical infection than you would from the vaccines.

I'm fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. The vaccine has risks for anybody getting it. Then again, not getting it also has risks for anyone who decides not to. I think it would be nice if people were actually aware of what risks they're choosing when they decline the vaccine, but most, like you, aren't.

This is the first time that i am reading this, thanks!

[supramax]

I'm vaccinated for smallpox, polio, MMR, DPT, HBV, influenza every year for the past 2 decades but not covid. Friends and colleagues who know this consider me anti vax. Curious how meanings change.

Every year? I got my shots and revaxes for polio and smallpox in the 50's and I had a Pneumovax 23 when I turned 65, but I've only been getting a flu shot for the last two years and that's only because I live with someone that has COPD that is progressively getting worse.

Why not covid?

P.S. Of course, I've also had two jabs of Pfizer.

[_zman]

Just two people, which alone makes it meaningless, but on top of that they most likely elderly, and are they perfectly healthy? For all we know they are in the extreme risk bracket, or perhaps die without vax but survive with it. Two old people being hospitalized with vax doesn't mean it doesn't work great. Just look at the percentages of vaxed and unvaxed in the hospital due to Covid right now, clear confirmation they work great.

Would you really say to a co-worker with their parents on their death bed that it doesn't mean the vax doesn't work great.

C'mon man.

And comparing the Polio vax to these vaccines is ridiculous. These do NOT work like a traditional vax.

[x-trainer ben]

Thanks for that study mgftp!!

So using 884,000(huge) Israeli subjects who probably took Pfizers product, the worst outcome was 78 per 100,000 people with Lymphadenopathy.

"Lymphadenopathy is a term that refers to the swelling of lymph nodes. Lymph nodes are small glands that are responsible for filtering fluid from the lymphatic system."

[mgftp]

Would you really say to a co-worker with their parents on their death bed that it doesn't mean the vax doesn't work great.

C'mon man.

And comparing the Polio vax to these vaccines is ridiculous. These do NOT work like a traditional vax.

Yes, people going through a difficult time questioning things can often find a calm voice of reason comforting if approached in the right tone. Again, they could be dead without the vax, might be helpful to hear that.

But my response was more to you making a statement that to me came off as two elderly vaxed people hospitalized is proof vaccines don't work.

[supramax]

Yes, people going through a difficult time questioning things can often find a calm voice of reason comforting if approached in the right tone. Again, they could be dead without the vax, might be helpful to hear that.

But my response was more to you making a statement that to me came off as two elderly vaxed people hospitalized is proof vaccines don't work.

Goddamnit, I'm on spread with ****ing everybody!

[x-trainer ben]

Goddamnit, I'm on spread with ****ing everybody!

Me too( no pun) we got a good group in here and most people are pretty cool and chill.

[TolerantLactose]

Every year?

The flu vaccine. The others once or every 10 years as advised.

Why not covid?

Partly, I'm leery of the technology and speed of implementation. I'm watching the Novavax candidate. Partly, I'm objecting to the politicizing of the public health response. For instance, it's doing more harm than good to mask up children but the teacher's unions had their say and we're doing it.

[_zman]

two elderly vaxed people hospitalized is proof vaccines don't work.

That's not what I said.

Is there going to be any point in time that you look at data and circumstances reasonably, with an open mind or you're always going to just defend the "great" vaccines?

This is exactly what the vaccines were designed to do and they're clearly not working "THAT GREAT"

[mgftp]

That's not what I said.

Is there going to be any point in time that you look at data and circumstances reasonably, with an open mind or you're always going to just defend the "great" vaccines?

This is exactly what the vaccines were designed to do and they're clearly not working "THAT GREAT"

This is what you said:

Co-worker with fully vaxxed parents are in the ICU right now. Yep, the vax works great.

That is how I took it. Rereading I still take it the same.

Vaccines were hopeful to prevent infections and did a tremendous job at that until variants, and still do a decent job. Looking at data and circumstances reasonably they are still doing a great job at preventing serve disease, hospitalization, and death.

[supramax]

Me too( no pun) we got a good group in here and most people are pretty cool and chill.

Yeah, for sure. I guess I shouldn't pick on phraseology errors that primary school kids wouldn't make.

[supramax]

The flu vaccine. The others once or every 10 years as advised.

Okay.

Partly, I'm leery of the technology and speed of implementation.

I don't know what to say.

[MuscleXtreme]

It mostly makes sense and it's fine if you're more worried about the vaccine than the virus. But, are you aware that your overall risk of getting a cardiomyopathy is now much higher than an age/risk factor matched person who gets the vaccine. Because you will get infected if you haven't already been.

There's a link to an article on college athletes on this thread somewhere that looked at cardiomyopathies. The relative risks of having any of those outcomes you're worried about from the virus is actually greater than from the vaccine. That appears to be the case even if your infection is sub-clinical which makes sense since you'll get more of the spike protein from a sub clinical infection than you would from the vaccines.

I'm fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. The vaccine has risks for anybody getting it. Then again, not getting it also has risks for anyone who decides not to. I think it would be nice if people were actually aware of what risks they're choosing when they decline the vaccine, but most, like you, aren't.

Already had Covid and I have no problems.

But yeah, let me go and get a shot that I don’t need and increase the odds of me incurring a malady that I don’t have.

So yeah your argument doesn’t hold up.

[MuscleXtreme]

I'm not even tempted to explain it to you, because I don't waste time arguing with stupid people.

No, it’s because you’re a pretentious prick and that attempts to gaslight others. The issue isn’t with me, it’s with you and your lack of reading comprehension.

[x-trainer ben]

Already had Covid and I have no problems.

But yeah, let me go and get a shot that I don’t need and increase the odds of me incurring a malady that I don’t have.

So yeah your argument doesn’t hold up.

Personal choice
but my relative is an epidemiologist in Jersey and had the worst case of Covid in March of 2020.
She was in the garage for over 40 days battling this thing and almost... did not make it.
She then was diagnosed with stage 1 breast Cancer and was tested for Covid antibodies; which luckily were still very high before her treatment plan for Cancer was developed.
I asked her about the shot's and she told me what others have seen and read, which is natural protection+ 2 shots = being in really good shape for covid

So while "natural protection" is good, in her case... more is better unless it and is about "other" political or personal factors.

[supramax]

No, it’s because you’re a pretentious prick and that attempts to gaslight others. The issue isn’t with me, it’s with you and your lack of reading comprehension.

Still don't see the error, eh? Nevermind.