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    Co-worker with fully vaxxed parents are in the ICU right now. Yep, the vax works great.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    I appreciate the thought and sorry, missed your question earlier. Was multi tasking (poorly). It looks like they tested everybody on a schedule and symptomatic inmates or those with known exposures as needed

    From that CDC link above: During July 12–August 14, 2021, BOP staff members offered same-day SARS-CoV-2 rapid antigen testing to all 233 persons in units A and B reporting symptoms or known exposures; the entire quarantined cohort received testing from BOP during July 12–13 and again on July 14, July 19, July 22, August 2, and August 10 with a combination of rapid antigen and RT-PCR tests.** SARS-CoV-2 testing among staff members was voluntary and was performed off-site by staff members’ health care providers. A subset of 70 incarcerated persons in units A and B consented to a secondary investigation for which they reported symptom data through a questionnaire and provided nasal midturbinate swabs daily for up to 20 days after symptom onset. Specimens were tested by RT-PCR.†† Viral culture was attempted for RT-PCR–positive specimens from a nonrandom subset of participants.§§ Genomic sequencing was attempted for one RT-PCR–positive specimen from each participant, when possible.

    I'm not sure how they decided which inmates were known exposures. Maybe cell mates with + tests? Maybe within a cell or two? No clue. It's an interesting write up but I don't know how to apply it to anything except prisons/jails/college dorms and Greek houses. Even then, all it tells us is that if that's where you live, you're probably gonna get it. Shocker, right? Of course, we're all gonna get exposed at some point.

    Also, Plateauplower, I read and then wrote something wrong before. Of the 4 inmates who got hospitalized, 3 were actually from the 39 unvaccinated inmates, and only 1 was from the 129 vaccinated inmates that tested positive. So it was 7.6% of the unvaccinated infected inmates that had to be hospitalized, and .77% of the vaccinated and infected inmates. Ultimately, a 23% reduced risk of catching it enough that we can find it, a 90% reduced risk of being hospitalized, and that ridiculous 100% reduction in the mortality. Obviously inmates may not have had the healthiest lifestyles, so I won't pretend we can extrapolate that to the general population, but it's still better than what I thought it showed. Probably why the CDC put it on their website. And then look how it got famous ... 70% of the infected inmates had been vaccinated
    Much appreciate the further insight. Although I don't take the data for much given the sample size and lack of controls it's actually very pro vax. Almost everything gets twisted negatively by anti-vax crowd.

    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Co-worker with fully vaxxed parents are in the ICU right now. Yep, the vax works great.
    Just two people, which alone makes it meaningless, but on top of that they most likely elderly, and are they perfectly healthy? For all we know they are in the extreme risk bracket, or perhaps die without vax but survive with it. Two old people being hospitalized with vax doesn't mean it doesn't work great. Just look at the percentages of vaxed and unvaxed in the hospital due to Covid right now, clear confirmation they work great.
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    Nope, it’s dumb to get the Covid shot for my age group. As of right now, I have zero percent chance of myocarditis, blood clots, and any other adverse reaction from the shot. So why would I take a shot that then increases my chances of contracting one of those reactions to a percentage greater than zero?

    And no, I don’t care about your grandma. Especially not enough to jeopardize my own health.
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Co-worker with fully vaxxed parents are in the ICU right now. Yep, the vax works great.
    Always ask which one they got if possible.
    I suspect the J+J people are getting infected more than the Moderna/Pfizer folks, but that is just my own observation.
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    Breakthrough Infections only happen because of the vaccinated...let that sink in
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    Breakthrough Infections only happen because of the vaccinated...let that sink in
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Co-worker with fully vaxxed parents are in the ICU right now. Yep, the vax works great.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    n=1 son.
    He said parents, which is plural, so n=2 (or more).
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    He said parents, which is plural, so n=2 (or more).
    In lib world, parents = 1.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    Nope, it’s dumb to get the Covid shot for my age group. As of right now, I have zero percent chance of myocarditis, blood clots, and any other adverse reaction from the shot. So why would I take a shot that then increases my chances of contracting one of those reactions to a percentage greater than zero?...
    Your post doesn't make sense.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    Your post doesn't make sense.
    Welcome to the misc. Most posts here don't make sense.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Welcome to the misc. Most posts here don't make sense.
    Perhaps, on this thread. In this instance, though, it's just a matter of wording.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

    It's easy to not be afraid of tigers when you're sitting in your living room watching a television program about tigers. When you're in the jungle where the tigers are, it's quite a different story.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    Nope, it’s dumb to get the Covid shot for my age group. As of right now, I have zero percent chance of myocarditis, blood clots, and any other adverse reaction from the shot. So why would I take a shot that then increases my chances of contracting one of those reactions to a percentage greater than zero?

    And no, I don’t care about your grandma. Especially not enough to jeopardize my own health.
    Meanwhile, I totally understand your post, except for the grandma part. I will do my level best to social distance from other peoples' grandmas.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Stop posting things that make sense.

    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    Meanwhile, I totally understand your post, except for the grandma part. I will do my level best to social distance from other peoples' grandmas.
    What about Grandma's in their 30s?
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    For sure, the anti vax morons weren't around in the fifties.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    Meanwhile, I totally understand your post...
    I understand what he was trying to say, but the way he phrased it, didn't make sense.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    [mg]https://i.imgur.com/an761oP.jpg?1[/img]


    Imagine comparing Covid with a 99.998% survival rate to small pox, with a much lower survival rate. They’re not even analogous.
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    I understand what he was trying to say, but the way he phrased it, didn't make sense.


    Maybe you’re too tired, maybe English is your second language, either way, the post makes sense. Or it just may be too logical for you.
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    Maybe you’re too tired, maybe English is your second language, either way, the post makes sense. Or it just may be too logical for you.
    I'm not even tempted to explain it to you, because I don't waste time arguing with stupid people.
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    For sure, the anti vax morons weren't around in the fifties.
    I'm vaccinated for smallpox, polio, MMR, DPT, HBV, influenza every year for the past 2 decades but not covid. Friends and colleagues who know this consider me anti vax. Curious how meanings change.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    I'm vaccinated for smallpox, polio, MMR, DPT, HBV, influenza every year for the past 2 decades but not covid. Friends and colleagues who know this consider me anti vax. Curious how meanings change.
    I think in many cases it's just easier to than saying anti-covid-vax. I mean I do the same thing although technically not correct. It's also just the topic at hand these days. Hear a lot more people talking Covid vax than the other vaxes and autism and conversations of old.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    Maybe you’re too tired, maybe English is your second language, either way, the post makes sense.
    It mostly makes sense and it's fine if you're more worried about the vaccine than the virus. But, are you aware that your overall risk of getting a cardiomyopathy is now much higher than an age/risk factor matched person who gets the vaccine. Because you will get infected if you haven't already been.

    There's a link to an article on college athletes on this thread somewhere that looked at cardiomyopathies. The relative risks of having any of those outcomes you're worried about from the virus is actually greater than from the vaccine. That appears to be the case even if your infection is sub-clinical which makes sense since you'll get more of the spike protein from a sub clinical infection than you would from the vaccines.

    I'm fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. The vaccine has risks for anybody getting it. Then again, not getting it also has risks for anyone who decides not to. I think it would be nice if people were actually aware of what risks they're choosing when they decline the vaccine, but most, like you, aren't.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I think in many cases it's just easier to than saying anti-covid-vax. I mean I do the same thing although technically not correct. It's also just the topic at hand these days. Hear a lot more people talking Covid vax than the other vaxes and autism and conversations of old.
    No, one friend said I "don't believe in science" (exact words).
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    Maybe you’re too tired, maybe English is your second language, either way, the post makes sense. Or it just may be too logical for you.
    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    It mostly makes sense and it's fine if you're more worried about the vaccine than the virus. But, are you aware that your overall risk of getting a cardiomyopathy is now much higher than an age/risk factor matched person who gets the vaccine. Because you will get infected if you haven't already been.

    There's a link to an article on college athletes on this thread somewhere that looked at cardiomyopathies. The relative risks of having any of those outcomes you're worried about from the virus is actually greater than from the vaccine. That appears to be the case even if your infection is sub-clinical which makes sense since you'll get more of the spike protein from a sub clinical infection than you would from the vaccines.

    I'm fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. The vaccine has risks for anybody getting it. Then again, not getting it also has risks for anyone who decides not to. I think it would be nice if people were actually aware of what risks they're choosing when they decline the vaccine, but most, like you, aren't.


    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

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    No, one friend said I "don't believe in science" (exact words).
    I am not sure what that has to do with the correct or incorrect calling of someone anti-vax.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    It mostly makes sense and it's fine if you're more worried about the vaccine than the virus. But, are you aware that your overall risk of getting a cardiomyopathy is now much higher than an age/risk factor matched person who gets the vaccine. Because you will get infected if you haven't already been.

    There's a link to an article on college athletes on this thread somewhere that looked at cardiomyopathies. The relative risks of having any of those outcomes you're worried about from the virus is actually greater than from the vaccine. That appears to be the case even if your infection is sub-clinical which makes sense since you'll get more of the spike protein from a sub clinical infection than you would from the vaccines.

    I'm fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. The vaccine has risks for anybody getting it. Then again, not getting it also has risks for anyone who decides not to. I think it would be nice if people were actually aware of what risks they're choosing when they decline the vaccine, but most, like you, aren't.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    I'm vaccinated for smallpox, polio, MMR, DPT, HBV, influenza every year for the past 2 decades but not covid. Friends and colleagues who know this consider me anti vax. Curious how meanings change.
    Every year? I got my shots and revaxes for polio and smallpox in the 50's and I had a Pneumovax 23 when I turned 65, but I've only been getting a flu shot for the last two years and that's only because I live with someone that has COPD that is progressively getting worse.

    Why not covid?

    P.S. Of course, I've also had two jabs of Pfizer.
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    Just two people, which alone makes it meaningless, but on top of that they most likely elderly, and are they perfectly healthy? For all we know they are in the extreme risk bracket, or perhaps die without vax but survive with it. Two old people being hospitalized with vax doesn't mean it doesn't work great. Just look at the percentages of vaxed and unvaxed in the hospital due to Covid right now, clear confirmation they work great.
    Would you really say to a co-worker with their parents on their death bed that it doesn't mean the vax doesn't work great.

    C'mon man.

    And comparing the Polio vax to these vaccines is ridiculous. These do NOT work like a traditional vax.
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    Thanks for that study mgftp!!

    So using 884,000(huge) Israeli subjects who probably took Pfizers product, the worst outcome was 78 per 100,000 people with Lymphadenopathy.

    "Lymphadenopathy is a term that refers to the swelling of lymph nodes. Lymph nodes are small glands that are responsible for filtering fluid from the lymphatic system."
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Would you really say to a co-worker with their parents on their death bed that it doesn't mean the vax doesn't work great.

    C'mon man.


    And comparing the Polio vax to these vaccines is ridiculous. These do NOT work like a traditional vax.
    Yes, people going through a difficult time questioning things can often find a calm voice of reason comforting if approached in the right tone. Again, they could be dead without the vax, might be helpful to hear that.

    But my response was more to you making a statement that to me came off as two elderly vaxed people hospitalized is proof vaccines don't work.
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