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Thread: Will you get vaccinated?
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04-25-2021, 01:52 PM #1681
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04-25-2021, 02:01 PM #1682
I had weather briefings daily and sometimes several times a day for many years, here is how I have heard it explained countless times.
Pop means percentage of precipitation
PoP = Confidence X Coverage (For simplicity sakes think of the area of coverage as a big square box)
100% confident it will rain in 50% of the coverage area 100% × 50% = 50% PoP
50% confident it will rain in 50% of the coverage area 50% × 50% = 25% PoP
Even with a 80% you may not get rained on where you are, which is why I consider it pretty much useless, pull up the local Radar will give you a much better idea of what's going to happen.
Things may have changed now, but this is how it used to be.Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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04-25-2021, 02:10 PM #1683
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04-25-2021, 04:18 PM #1684
There is a recent Fox poll out showing that 22% of people don't plan on getting the vaccine. One of the top reasons was that they don't think it works. I mean you have "experts" telling us that even though you have had the vaccine you still need to wear a mask, you still need to social distance, you still need to sterilize your hands all day long, you can still get covid from others, and you can still give covid to others. Not to mention you will need a booster vaccine every time a new "variant" comes out.
Gee, I can't understand why people are like WTF do I need to get a vaccine? I've personally never been an anti-vaxer but they may have to put me in restraints or lock me out of the grocery store to get this. With no long term studies on this and the way they refer to the "science" on how to stay healthy, I have zero confidence in any of this...Last edited by Fishman15; 04-25-2021 at 04:26 PM.
Well meaning, elderly man with a poor memory...pause
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04-25-2021, 04:31 PM #1685
I got the call for mine and I declined it. I am not saying I won't ever get it, but I do have reservations about possible side effects, not just the immediate ones but longer term ones as well. I am not afraid of needles or an Anti Vaxer, having served in the Military, I have gotten my share of vaccinations. I am just going to ride those one out for a bit longer or I may even be in that 22% you mentioned Fish.Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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04-25-2021, 04:44 PM #1686
I completely agree. People jumped to take this "vaccine" with no idea even what it does (or doesn't) do. We saw a big deal made out of Biden taking the shot, now we see him walking through a cemetery (outside) with no one within 50 feet of him - and he's wearing a mask.
Now, an early study shows that taking this vaccine increases your odds of catching a variant by a factor of 8 compared to NOT taking the vaccine.
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04-25-2021, 05:09 PM #1687
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04-25-2021, 05:56 PM #1688
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04-25-2021, 06:19 PM #1689
You can do your own research. The article does successfully cite some relevant works that were peer reviewed such as this actual study on cloth masks increasing respiratory illness in hospital workers even more than a control group. This study was 2015 so pre-covid and without any bias associated with it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
My position on masks for the general public has evolved based on real world data. While they can be effective in clinical settings where they are donned and doffed correctly, changed regularly, etc., but what the infection data is showing is they don’t have much impact on controlling spread in “real world” applications. I’m sure they could help in some instances but probably reduce other more important practices like staying away from people.
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04-25-2021, 07:24 PM #1690
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04-25-2021, 09:26 PM #1691
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04-26-2021, 07:57 AM #1692
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04-26-2021, 08:37 AM #1693
https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-...vid-19-vaccine
Cliffs: they’re saying vaccine is long term safe since it’s been over 2 months since it came out and no serious side effects have been reported. They say that based on other vaccines in the past showing adverse long term effects within 2 months
I’ve already gotten first dose and going to get second also but still slightly worried about long term effects (like year or two or longer). I got comfortable with this new vaccine cuz millions over millions got this vaccine and enough sample size is involved that long term effects would’ve popped up in atleast a few...
Having said the two things above, I think the article is stupid cuz they’re comparing other traditional vaccines to a new mRNA vaccine.
Thoughts?**^^ gone ^^**
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04-26-2021, 09:42 AM #1694
Well, if the vaccine kills everyone who gets it in two years you might be better off since a large segment of the population would be dead. The US is currently around 30% total population vaccinated, which includes probably around 50% (or more) of the adult population. If they died, like some kind of biblical rapture, we would be in pretty bad shape overall in terms of food, utilities, medical care etc etc. it’d be like mad max land.
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04-26-2021, 09:56 AM #1695
I think mRNA risk is low based upon some of the mRNA for Dummies stuff I have seen. I just don't see much risk coming from how it works. With all that said there have been times in history when things appear safe and we find out otherwise later, so of course you can't rule out the possibility. I was scheduled to get the JnJ virus juice the day the FDA pulled it and will sign back up for JnJ when it's once again available in my area. But if JnJ wasn't an option I wouldn't really hesitate to sign up for a Pfizer at this point.
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04-26-2021, 10:23 AM #1696
I agree with this at the point of once you get that mRNA into the cells. The outstanding question is the lipid nanomolecule transport mechanism, which was the sticky issue all along for getting the technology to work without severe side effects. It's simply an unknown variable that has no precedent for extrapolating future results, so trying to evaluate risk is very difficult.
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04-26-2021, 10:28 AM #1697Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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04-26-2021, 10:40 AM #1698
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04-26-2021, 10:45 AM #1699Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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04-26-2021, 10:55 AM #1700
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04-26-2021, 11:48 AM #1701
J&J is again available now. So is Pfizer. Why aren’t you opting to get Pfizer since j&j is apprently not available in your area?
How come you waited several months? (So did I - I’m wondering for your reasoning) I was offered the vaccine back when it was available only to health workers and I turned down the offer
Don’t think the clots have killed anyone. Have they? It was only 6 cases out of millions of doses**^^ gone ^^**
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04-26-2021, 11:53 AM #1702
I just became eligible because I am not a patient facing healthcare worker. Many of my colleagues lied to get it early without issue but I felt bad killing someone's grandma getting it early.
I expect JnJ appointments to be available again any minute now, my state just announced Saturday it is coming back.
3 dead last I heard.
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04-26-2021, 10:02 PM #1703
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04-26-2021, 10:33 PM #1704
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04-27-2021, 04:52 AM #1705
Vaguely on topic (and only short video) linked here for light entertainment purposes. Some history
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...shire-54663805
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04-27-2021, 09:06 AM #1706
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04-27-2021, 11:30 AM #1707
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04-27-2021, 02:42 PM #1708
I get it..
everyone has the right to vax or not..
but they'll come a day...
maybe in 60 years or so..
where you'll find yourself old and sitting on a park bench..
with a tuna sandwich (maybe bologna depending on your finances) in your lap for lunch..
watching the world go by...
thinking about that covid thing back in 2020 and 2021...
and you'll be asking yourself...
was I part of the solution ?
and you'll be answering yourself...
no I wasn't !..
as you eat your lunch all by yourself !
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04-27-2021, 02:43 PM #1709
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04-27-2021, 02:47 PM #1710
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