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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    You in Canada? It’s not that controlled here. Walk-in appointments at about every Walgreens CVS etc. they don’t give a $hit, if you walk in and want the vaccine, they’ll give it to you.
    Yup, it's actually illegal to ask for an ID when getting jabbed in my state because of and I quote from the state govt "asking for ID has caused past trauma for some people."
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    Just got back from walking my dogs. Heart rate elevated. Is this the Pfizer shot causing heart damage?
    That is really " terrifying and scary"
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    Originally Posted by fishnbrah View Post
    why are you guys getting the vaccine srs
    Here is my story, I live in the sticks and I don't frequent large gatherings and only shop once a week or so. Really don't need the vax, I have been social distancing long before it was a thing. I have an elderly friend who now lives in a home. He lived his life in the bush and spent a great deal of time trapping, hunting and fishing just like myself.

    I am his connection to the bush, he kept asking me if I got the shot so he could visit and me visit him. He doesn't understand a lot about it. So yeah, I got the shot so we could spend some time together and his mind would be at ease knowing I and he were as he calls it "safe" lol..

    So far it has been worth it, I have visited him and brought him meals of moose, ducks, fish etc.. and he came a stayed with me for a week where he went fishing and had shore lunch every day and will be coming to stay for a week or two when moose season opens. He trapped for over 50 years, the man is a wealth of knowledge and his stories are very entertaining. Seeing the joy and happiness he exuded while being in his happy place brought a lot of joy to me as well.

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    Originally Posted by fishnbrah View Post
    why are you guys getting the vaccine srs
    To lower chances of serve covid infection, SrS

    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Here is my story, I live in the sticks and I don't frequent large gatherings and only shop once a week or so. Really don't need the vax, I have been social distancing long before it was a thing. I have an elderly friend who now lives in a home. He lived his life in the bush and spent a great deal of time trapping, hunting and fishing just like myself.

    I am his connection to the bush, he kept asking me if I got the shot so he could visit and me visit him. He doesn't understand a lot about it. So yeah, I got the shot so we could spend some time together and his mind would be at ease knowing I and he were as he calls it "safe" lol..

    So far it has been worth it, I have visited him and brought him meals of moose, ducks, fish etc.. and he came a stayed with me for a week where he went fishing and had shore lunch every day and will be coming to stay for a week or two when moose season opens. He trapped for over 50 years, the man is a wealth of knowledge and his stories are very entertaining. Seeing the joy and happiness he exuded while being in his happy place brought a lot of joy to me as well.

    No regrets would do over if I had to!
    What kind of fishing you do? And moose? Where you live?
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    To lower chances of serve covid infection, SrS



    What kind of fishing you do? And moose? Where you live?



    Mostly trout, Lakers, Rainbow, Specks. There is good bass and pike fishing, but I don't bother with them. Yes, moose in the area.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Here is my story, I live in the sticks and I don't frequent large gatherings and only shop once a week or so. Really don't need the vax, I have been social distancing long before it was a thing. I have an elderly friend who now lives in a home. He lived his life in the bush and spent a great deal of time trapping, hunting and fishing just like myself.

    I am his connection to the bush, he kept asking me if I got the shot so he could visit and me visit him. He doesn't understand a lot about it. So yeah, I got the shot so we could spend some time together and his mind would be at ease knowing I and he were as he calls it "safe" lol..

    So far it has been worth it, I have visited him and brought him meals of moose, ducks, fish etc.. and he came a stayed with me for a week where he went fishing and had shore lunch every day and will be coming to stay for a week or two when moose season opens. He trapped for over 50 years, the man is a wealth of knowledge and his stories are very entertaining. Seeing the joy and happiness he exuded while being in his happy place brought a lot of joy to me as well.

    No regrets would do over if I had to!
    That’s awesome, I’m sure spending that many years running lines he has a LOT of stories. I wish the market would come back, I’d love to get back into trapping. I mean I could, but it’s not something I enjoy enough to do at a financial deficit (break-even is usually good enough though lol). I still trap some select places just to keep the farmers happy then give the fur to someone local to process and sell.

    Awesome that you are keeping him engaged and probably learning some interesting things as well.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    You attempt to hand wave this healthy young man’s elevated maximum heart rate, that was over 20 BPM, and you don’t think that’s cause for concern? I’m not going to let you get away with that.
    Good, don't let me get away with anything.

    I saw that he had a higher HR while exercising. OK. Now answer the question I asked. His being able to sustain such a high HR and have good enough cardiac output to do his exercise routine may help us rule out some heart conditions. That's awesome and I appreciate you pointing it out again.

    But that's not what I'm asking you about. I'm asking you to help us understand the symptoms you are assessing as diagnostic of his scary heart conditions and then to tell us what those conditions are.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Here is my story, I live in the sticks and I don't frequent large gatherings and only shop once a week or so. Really don't need the vax, I have been social distancing long before it was a thing. I have an elderly friend who now lives in a home. He lived his life in the bush and spent a great deal of time trapping, hunting and fishing just like myself.

    I am his connection to the bush, he kept asking me if I got the shot so he could visit and me visit him. He doesn't understand a lot about it. So yeah, I got the shot so we could spend some time together and his mind would be at ease knowing I and he were as he calls it "safe" lol..

    So far it has been worth it, I have visited him and brought him meals of moose, ducks, fish etc.. and he came a stayed with me for a week where he went fishing and had shore lunch every day and will be coming to stay for a week or two when moose season opens. He trapped for over 50 years, the man is a wealth of knowledge and his stories are very entertaining. Seeing the joy and happiness he exuded while being in his happy place brought a lot of joy to me as well.

    No regrets would do over if I had to!
    That's nice. I would and did also get the shot to make others comfortable but I do admit I have felt much more comfortable even if is just a placebo effect.

    I have been doing the exact opposite since they opened everything up. It's been a huge super spreader event since March. I have been to the beaches, amusement parks etc. am always around tons of people. Somehow I guess I'm afraid everything gets closed up again and I have to enjoy everything while I can.
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    That's nice. I would and did also get the shot to make others comfortable but I do admit I have felt much more comfortable even if is just a placebo effect.

    I have been doing the exact opposite since they opened everything up. It's been a huge super spreader event since March. I have been to the beaches, amusement parks etc. am always around tons of people. Somehow I guess I'm afraid everything gets closed up again and I have to enjoy everything while I can.
    LOL well ya gotta live Cass, you are young and healthy. If Covid comes anywhere near you, show it your pull ups and it will run for the hills.

    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    That’s awesome, I’m sure spending that many years running lines he has a LOT of stories. I wish the market would come back, I’d love to get back into trapping. I mean I could, but it’s not something I enjoy enough to do at a financial deficit (break-even is usually good enough though lol). I still trap some select places just to keep the farmers happy then give the fur to someone local to process and sell.

    Awesome that you are keeping him engaged and probably learning some interesting things as well.

    Yeah, I quit trapping, no money in fur. I ran lines back in the 70's and 80's and made some big bucks, now it's just not worth it, put most of what you make back in fuel and repairs lol It's good that you are taking care of some nuisance fur though.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    Good, don't let me get away with anything.

    I saw that he had a higher HR while exercising. OK. Now answer the question I asked. His being able to sustain such a high HR and have good enough cardiac output to do his exercise routine may help us rule out some heart conditions. That's awesome and I appreciate you pointing it out again.

    But that's not what I'm asking you about. I'm asking you to help us understand the symptoms you are assessing as diagnostic of his scary heart conditions and then to tell us what those conditions are.


    Oh just stop with this faux-ignorance act. If I put some new fuel additive into my car and all of a sudden upon acceleration my RPMs start spiking up past red lining, when previously the RPMs only got up to 6000 RPM upon acceleration, that clearly tells me something is wrong, and severe engine damage can occur.

    Are you attempting to say that exceeding ones maximum heart rate through synthetic means is perfectly healthy?
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Mostly trout, Lakers, Rainbow, Specks. There is good bass and pike fishing, but I don't bother with them. Yes, moose in the area.
    I am a pretty casual fisher, aim for bass, hate catching pickerel and muskie by accident.

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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    Oh just stop with this faux-ignorance act. If I put some new fuel additive into my car and all of a sudden upon acceleration my RPMs start spiking up past red lining, when previously the RPMs only got up to 6000 RPM upon acceleration, that clearly tells me something is wrong, and severe engine damage can occur.

    Are you attempting to say that exceeding ones maximum heart rate through synthetic means is perfectly healthy?
    It's cute watching you argue with a physician with your high-school level analogies.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    It's cute watching you argue with a physician with your high-school level analogies.
    But his info came from his neighbor and barber. And the cashier and cashier’s boss at the corner store also agrees with him. He must be right



















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    But his info came from his neighbor and barber. And the cashier and cashier’s boss at the corner store also agrees with him. He must be right




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    And this folks is the species dickus slobberus.

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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    And this folks is the species dickus slobberus.

    This animal can be found in the wild, attaching themself near or on the genital region of others they find superior to themself who they believe are an authority and therefore infallible and cannot be questioned.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    Are you attempting to say that exceeding ones maximum heart rate through synthetic means is perfectly healthy?
    You can't exceed your maximum HR. That's why athletes do other things to improve their VO2 max.

    I'm replying the way I am because you don't seem to want to actually think about what we can learn from that entry. You want to assume it means something bad.

    If you'd actually thought about answering my questions you might have figured out on your own that him having a higher HR while exercising during the week after getting his first shot isn't a sign of a scary heart condition. That he was able to do that is actually very reassuring. There are several reasons for his HR to be higher that week that are far more likely than a "scary heart condition". So I want to know what other symptoms you felt lead to a diagnosis of scary heart condition instead of fatigue, dehydration, discomfort, anxiety, a transient bump in cytokines or interleukins indicating he's mounting a good immune response to the vaccine the way he would to many viruses.

    Happy to discuss the HR or other symptoms he had if you also found them to be concerning.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    You can't exceed your maximum HR. That's why athletes do other things to improve their VO2 max.

    I'm replying the way I am because you don't seem to want to actually think about what we can learn from that entry. You want to assume it means something bad.

    If you'd actually thought about answering my questions you might have figured out on your own that him having a higher HR while exercising during the week after getting his first shot isn't a sign of a scary heart condition. That he was able to do that is actually very reassuring. There are several reasons for his HR to be higher that week that are far more likely than a "scary heart condition". So I want to know what other symptoms you felt lead to a diagnosis of scary heart condition instead of fatigue, dehydration, discomfort, anxiety, a transient bump in cytokines or interleukins indicating he's mounting a good immune response to the vaccine the way he would to many viruses.

    Happy to discuss the HR or other symptoms he had if you also found them to be concerning.


    Good to know that one can’t exceed their natural heart rate. I guess one could load up on all the clen and pepsi they want, and those drugs won’t artificially increase ones heart rate past their naturally occurring limit. I guess drug induced atrial tachycardia is not a thing now.


    There could be numerous pathologies that this individual could have, some of which could have been undiagnosed, and it would be difficult to diagnose outside of conducting medical tests and blood work on the individual, wouldn’t you agree? Or do you want me to just list off various pathologies that have tachycardia as a symptom, as a possible cause for this particular individual?

    Don’t you think it would be wise to have a thorough and complete understanding of ones health status and possible repurchasing before taking a foreign substance, especially one that is new in development and has never completed animal studies. Or are you for just blindly injecting individuals without throughly evaluating their health?
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    You're mixing up your terms and changing from what could be going on to something else. Like how you started saying the vaccine was stupid for your age group and then switched to it being stupid for you because you already had Covid.

    This kid described an exercise induced tachycardia that was higher than his normal exercise induced tachycardia. An atrial tachycardia just means your heart's little drummer boy is somewhere in the atrial muscle so it's not sinus. Could have a rate of 101 with no symptoms. Won't exceed your max HR. A paroxysmal atrial tachycardia could exceed your maximum sinus HR but you wouldn't be exercising with it. It's paroxysmal, not exercise induced and most commonly it would be a reentrant loop that short circuits the SA node. So an accessory pathway. It wouldn't act like what he described and cause his exercising HR to be higher. It might have caused him to suddenly have an extremely high HR that caused lightheadedness or syncope, but it doesn't fit here. There are others that could be exercise induced. Google WPW.

    But we're looking at the write up you provided and exploring the possible etiologies of that kid's symptoms, right? If you want to talk about other symptoms and heart conditions that he might have had but not reported symptoms of, we could I guess. Doesn't seem relevant though.

    Also, they did do the animal testing on the vaccines They just did it in parallel, not before the human testing. It's been discussed here before. It was a calculated risk based on the amount of prior data they had and us being in a pandemic. Luckily, it paid off. The animal testing didn't show anything alarming.

    As to the health assessment before putting something in your body, we do that. There are screening tests, inclusion, and exclusion criteria on any study. Also, didn't you catch my gentle dig at the "democrats" who lined up for the vaccine studies because CNN told them the world was ending?

    I help run clinical trials and I'm familiar with the risks. I'm also aware of the studies and data on the vaccines. I even know what's in them. Been doing it for a long time and I personally hate taking medication. But I wasn't even a little nervous getting Pfizer's vaccine, and I let my family get it too. Well, my son got the Moderna version.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    You're mixing up your terms and changing from what could be going on to something else. Like how you started saying the vaccine was stupid for your age group and then switched to it being stupid for you because you already had Covid.

    This kid described an exercise induced tachycardia that was higher than his normal exercise induced tachycardia. An atrial tachycardia just means your heart's little drummer boy is somewhere in the atrial muscle so it's not sinus. Could have a rate of 101 with no symptoms. Won't exceed your max HR. A paroxysmal atrial tachycardia could exceed your maximum sinus HR but you wouldn't be exercising with it. It's paroxysmal, not exercise induced and most commonly it would be a reentrant loop that short circuits the SA node. So an accessory pathway. It wouldn't act like what he described and cause his exercising HR to be higher. It might have caused him to suddenly have an extremely high HR that caused lightheadedness or syncope, but it doesn't fit here. There are others that could be exercise induced. Google WPW.

    But we're looking at the write up you provided and exploring the possible etiologies of that kid's symptoms, right? If you want to talk about other symptoms and heart conditions that he might have had but not reported symptoms of, we could I guess. Doesn't seem relevant though.

    Also, they did do the animal testing on the vaccines They just did it in parallel, not before the human testing. It's been discussed here before. It was a calculated risk based on the amount of prior data they had and us being in a pandemic. Luckily, it paid off. The animal testing didn't show anything alarming.

    As to the health assessment before putting something in your body, we do that. There are screening tests, inclusion, and exclusion criteria on any study. Also, didn't you catch my gentle dig at the "democrats" who lined up for the vaccine studies because CNN told them the world was ending?

    I help run clinical trials and I'm familiar with the risks. I'm also aware of the studies and data on the vaccines. I even know what's in them. Been doing it for a long time and I personally hate taking medication. But I wasn't even a little nervous getting Pfizer's vaccine, and I let my family get it too. Well, my son got the Moderna version.
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    Just this morning, I read that the Moderna vaccine gives longer lasting protection than the Pfizer vaccine.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

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    I warned him the dose seems to be higher so he could have more side effects, but he didn't care. They had a left over dose at Publix when we were visiting Marathon Key, so he took it. Didn't get any side effects I can recall. Maybe a sore deltoid..
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    Anti-vaxxers are gargling iodine in the latest ill-advised attempt at DIY anti-COVID

    The manufacturers of Betadine have issued a statement online stating that the solution should only be used externally and cannot treat COVID-19.

    "Betadine Antiseptic products have not been demonstrated to be effective for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 or any other viruses."

    When Kenneth Weinberg, an emergency room physician in New York City, was told in an interview with Rolling Stone that anti-vaxxers are gargling with Iodine, he - unimpressed - said: "**** me! Of course, they are."

    "There's no evidence that povidone-iodine [Betadine] has any impact on COVID-19," Amesh A. Adalja, MD, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told Health.


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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    The manufacturers of Betadine have issued a statement online stating that the solution should only be used externally and cannot treat COVID-19.

    "Betadine Antiseptic products have not been demonstrated to be effective for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 or any other viruses."

    When Kenneth Weinberg, an emergency room physician in New York City, was told in an interview with Rolling Stone that anti-vaxxers are gargling with Iodine, he - unimpressed - said: "**** me! Of course, they are."

    "There's no evidence that povidone-iodine [Betadine] has any impact on COVID-19," Amesh A. Adalja, MD, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told Health.


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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    I warned him the dose seems to be higher so he could have more side effects, but he didn't care. They had a left over dose at Publix when we were visiting Marathon Key, so he took it. Didn't get any side effects I can recall. Maybe a sore deltoid..
    What about J&J? So far the side effects have been: costochondritis, sciatica, and weight gain, and increased sassiness on Saturdays.
    Am I gon make it doc?
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    On the local evening news last night they warned against hydrogen peroxide in a nebulizer.

    I mean seriously, who thinks up this chit
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    What about J&J? So far the side effects have been: costochondritis, sciatica, and weight gain, and increased sassiness on Saturdays.
    Am I gon make it doc?
    I'm usually hesitant to answer important questions without doing a bit of research, Cass. However, since neither you nor my wife is going to let me do the required research, I'll go out on a limb here and say that based on the reported increased Saturday sass, I'm pretty sure you will.

    Also, didn't you say you were feeling better and doing dead lifts again?

    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    On the local evening news last night they warned against hydrogen peroxide in a nebulizer.

    I mean seriously, who thinks up this chit
    I wonder how fast it breaks down into water and O2 if you do that. Has to happen pretty quickly, right?
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    I wonder how fast it breaks down into water and O2 if you do that. Has to happen pretty quickly, right?
    Doesn’t exactly work that way. While at concentrations of 1% or whatever, it shouldn’t cause any issues, and is a good mouthwash for killing some bacteria associated with gum disease. At higher concentrations, it is an extreme oxidizer and will basically have a runaway exothermic reaction and ignite anything organic; leather, people, etc. Pretty dangerous stuff at high concentrations. Probably not particularly good for lungs either, just guessing.
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