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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Easy. Social media companies enjoy immunity from prosecution to host content in order to foster free exchange of ideas. If they curate (ban) content, they become publishers. Liability should then attach. In the US, this protection comes under section 230 of the Communication Decency Act. Remove their protection if they continue down this path.
    Bingo. And strange how these independent Private media companies are generally in lock step with a leftist philosophy in what they publish. Free speech is amongst the most sacred of our freedoms. That's where MY libertarianism feels the tension.

    Strange how 'libertarian' 7S feels the government should force an experimental jab into the bodies of citizens but no concern that the government is not protecting free speech.

    Dig hard and find medical discussion about the 2 jabs causing variants, not natural immunity,
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    Moderna Covid vaccine is the most effective against hospitalization at 93% compared to Pfizer shot at 88% and Johnson & Johnson jab at 71%, CDC study suggests
    Researchers looked at the efficacy of three COVID-19 vaccines authorized in the U.S.: Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson/Janssen
    They found that 11.3% of hospitalized patients vaccinated with Moderna
    Comparatively, 17.3% of patients vaccinated with Pfizer contracted the disease as did 32.7% of hospitalized J&J recipients
    They found that the Moderna shot is 93% effective against hospitalization compared to 88% for the Pfizer vaccine and 71% for Johnson & Johnson
    Antibody levels in blood samples were highest among Moderna recipients in a separate group of healthy volunteers
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    Dig hard and find medical discussion about the 2 jabs causing variants, not natural immunity,
    Prior to the mass censorship, I was finding quite a few articles mentioning this as a possibility.
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    Bingo. And strange how these independent Private media companies are generally in lock step with a leftist philosophy in what they publish. Free speech is amongst the most sacred of our freedoms. That's where MY libertarianism feels the tension.

    Strange how 'libertarian' 7S feels the government should force an experimental jab into the bodies of citizens but no concern that the government is not protecting free speech.

    Dig hard and find medical discussion about the 2 jabs causing variants, not natural immunity,
    Feel free to point out where I said I support a government mandate on vaccines. Private businesses are a different beast.



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    It’s pretty clear. It dictates that the government shall not silence speech. It does not say that the government must force a private business to publish your speech.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Easy. Social media companies enjoy immunity from prosecution to host content in order to foster free exchange of ideas. If they curate (ban) content, they become publishers. Liability should then attach. In the US, this protection comes under section 230 of the Communication Decency Act. Remove their protection if they continue down this path.
    Here's another idea: go after them for campaign contributions. Every time they suppress information to favor a political side, that gets counted as a dollar amount of political contribution. Once they hit the limit, they either have to stop suppressing information or get prosecuted.
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    If vaccines are so important why is congress and judicial branch exempt from Joe’s mandate?
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    Originally Posted by Kilted100 View Post
    If vaccines are so important why is congress and judicial branch exempt from Joe’s mandate?

    So, the executive branch can’t set policy for congress. Is this surprising?

    It’s the same for the judiciary. (That’s why they’re also exempt.)

    The executive branch can only set policy for themselves. And thanks to Congress creating OSHA 50 years ago, the private sector as well.
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Prior to the mass censorship, I was finding quite a few articles mentioning this as a possibility.
    Yes, as soon as some of the medical studies, ie: out of Israel, started to come out, big tech squashed the information because we stupid citizens can't handle the truth.

    And to posit the notion that government has no role in passing laws to define an/or protect against the violation of free speech is ludicrous. Some of the most famous cases in judicial history deal with that exact subject.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    So, the executive branch can’t set policy for congress. Is this surprising?

    It’s the same for the judiciary. (That’s why they’re also exempt.)

    The executive branch can only set policy for themselves. And thanks to Congress creating OSHA 50 years ago, the private sector as well.
    The USPS is exempt.

    I heard Pfizer, Moderna and the CDC are exempt from the policy as well. Don't know if it's true.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    The USPS is exempt.
    The postal workers are not included in the executive order mandate because they are not federal employees, but are included under the version that OSHA is rolling out.

    I heard Pfizer, Moderna and the CDC are exempt from the policy as well. Don't know if it's true.
    Yes, they were included in Probsiec’s tweet but there is no reason they won’t be required in the OSHA standard of vaccination or weekly testing.
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    Even after the 8 hr FDA Conference Call, which showed Vax Kills 5 for every 1 life it saves....
    People still trust this chit.

    Unfukinbelievable

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=18668&...ature=youtu.be

    Now skip to 4:12:00

    And after second dose..people are WORSE OFF

    Looks like everything that all the “Conspiracy Theorists” have been claiming, we were right all along.
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    Even after the 8 hr FDA Conference Call, which showed Vax Kills 5 for every 1 life it saves....
    People still trust this chit.

    Unfukinbelievable

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=18668&...ature=youtu.be

    Now skip to 4:12:00

    And after second dose..people are WORSE OFF

    Looks like everything that all the “Conspiracy Theorists” have been claiming, we were right all along.
    Booster shot will fix that right up...
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Booster shot will fix that right up...
    Surely. That's why the top 2 FDA officials just left. Theyre leaving town...“the president is getting ahead of himself, where boosters are concerned”
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    The two top FDA officials responsible for vaccine research resigned last week and this week signed a letter in The Lancet that strongly warns against vaccine boosters:

    There could be risks,” they write, “if boosters are widely introduced too soon, or too frequently, especially with vaccines that can have immune-mediated side-effects (such as myocarditis, which is more common after the second dose of some mRNA vaccines, or Guillain-Barre syndrome, which has been associated with adenovirus-vectored COVID-19 vaccines.”)

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...046-8/fulltext

    Meanwhile, studies are showing that for teenage boys, the vaccine poses a greater risk (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....21262866v1)to them than Covid itself. “For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly COVID-19 hospitalization.”

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    Even after the 8 hr FDA Conference Call, which showed Vax Kills 5 for every 1 life it saves....
    People still trust this chit.

    Unfukinbelievable

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=18668&...ature=youtu.be

    Now skip to 4:12:00

    And after second dose..people are WORSE OFF

    Looks like everything that all the “Conspiracy Theorists” have been claiming, we were right all along.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Ah, Paul returns. Now we wait for JustDad to inform us why everything he is posting is inaccurate.
    LMAO. I actually was considering it, briefly, but after I checked the links I decided nobody who reads would need me to.
    Paul's does have me beat on state travel though. I've only been to 7 states so far this year. Might add a couple more this weekend if I drive up to visit my parents.
    Alternatively, they got booster shots 2 days ago so if they develop super powers, maybe they'll just put on capes and fly down to visit me instead.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    LMAO. I actually was considering it, briefly, but after I checked the links I decided nobody who reads would need me to.
    Paul's does have me beat on state travel though. I've only been to 7 states so far this year. Might add a couple more this weekend if I drive up to visit my parents.
    Alternatively, they got booster shots 2 days ago so if they develop super powers, maybe they'll just put on capes and fly down to visit me instead.
    That was so funny I am typing out laughing my ass off.
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    Rowlett business owner says no masks are allowed in his bar: Can he do that?

    In an incident Dallas resident Natalie Wester describes as “bizarre,” she and her husband Jose Lopez were recently instructed to take off their masks while inside a bar called Hang Time Sports Grill & Bar in Rowlett. Or leave.

    Natalie Wester and her husband Jose Lopez were asked to leave Hang Time in Rowlett, Texas, because they were wearing their masks indoors. They say they were trying to protect their immunocompromised son Austin, who is 4 months old.
    Natalie Wester and her husband Jose Lopez were asked to leave Hang Time in Rowlett, Texas, because they were wearing their masks indoors. They say they were trying to protect their immunocompromised son Austin, who is 4 months old.
    Bar owner Tom Blackmer doesn’t think the confrontation was bizarre: He does not want his customers wearing masks indoors, and he’s tired of talking about it.







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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    In an incident Dallas resident Natalie Wester describes as “bizarre,” she and her husband Jose Lopez were recently instructed to take off their masks while inside a bar called Hang Time Sports Grill & Bar in Rowlett. Or leave.

    Natalie Wester and her husband Jose Lopez were asked to leave Hang Time in Rowlett, Texas, because they were wearing their masks indoors. They say they were trying to protect their immunocompromised son Austin, who is 4 months old.
    Natalie Wester and her husband Jose Lopez were asked to leave Hang Time in Rowlett, Texas, because they were wearing their masks indoors. They say they were trying to protect their immunocompromised son Austin, who is 4 months old.
    Bar owner Tom Blackmer doesn’t think the confrontation was bizarre: He does not want his customers wearing masks indoors, and he’s tired of talking about it.
    Seems like a better way to protect their child is to not go to a sports bar in Texas during a pandemic.
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    Originally Posted by JustTheDad View Post
    LMAO. I actually was considering it, briefly, but after I checked the links I decided nobody who reads would need me to.
    Paul's does have me beat on state travel though. I've only been to 7 states so far this year. Might add a couple more this weekend if I drive up to visit my parents.
    Alternatively, they got booster shots 2 days ago so if they develop super powers, maybe they'll just put on capes and fly down to visit me instead.
    Good thing they got their boosters. I just heard some prisons are having outbreaks and 70% of the people infected were vaccinated. I doubt the prisoners have got their boosters yet though, although I’m sure some are getting other types of jabs…shivs and Johnson’s.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Good thing they got their boosters. I just heard some prisons are having outbreaks and 70% of the people infected were vaccinated. I doubt the prisoners have got their boosters yet though, although I’m sure some are getting other types of jabs…shivs and Johnson’s.
    I'll encourage my parents to avoid prison then As far as the 70% being vaccinated, if 80 or 90% of the prison population is vaccinated, that would make perfect sense.

    Do you have reference or link? I was the medical director for a state correctional system once and would be interested in reading the story. It's a somewhat contained system that could probably provide some good efficacy data.
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    Seems like a better way to protect their child is to not go to a sports bar in Texas during a pandemic.
    True but maybe they just wanted a date night out from a sick child to nurture their relationship? Also, they didn't demand others wearing a mask, they were just doing what they thought was best for their family.

    But what do I know, I have no kids.

    Edit: was gonna post mah freedom should go both ways but then again bar owner apparently also has freedom. It's a bit like back in the day the football shirts were not allowed in bars because different team fans would get into a fight. Seems like a similar situation here. The bar owner doesn't want fighting in his bar over masks.
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    True but maybe they just wanted a date night out from a sick child to nurture their relationship? Also, they didn't demand others wearing a mask, they were just doing what they thought was best for their family.

    But what do I know, I have no kids.

    Edit: was gonna post mah freedom should go both ways but then again bar owner apparently also has freedom. It's a bit like back in the day the football shirts were not allowed in bars because different team fans would get into a fight. Seems like a similar situation here. The bar owner doesn't want fighting in his bar over masks.
    You seen the 1980 seat belt debates being compared to the rona vaccine?
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    You seen the 1980 seat belt debates being compared to the rona vaccine?
    Nope.
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    Nope.
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