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Thread: Will you get vaccinated?
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07-02-2021, 12:40 PM #3031
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07-02-2021, 12:56 PM #3032
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07-03-2021, 10:44 AM #3033
Will dig up some supporting link when I get chance.
Maybe some things presented to me as researched facts are also opinion. The closer we look the more politics and opinions replace supposed facts
It's a sad world when WHO is moving to put traditional Chinese medicine on an equal status to evidence based medicine. Here's a link to nature on that not alt media https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06782-7 we really are left with a "who do you trust" situation that only inflates the conspiracy nonsense
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07-03-2021, 11:09 AM #3034
Reinfection is certainly possible but is rare, in the UK there is no officially released data but there is active surveillance program https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nce-in-england to quantify this.
The *speculation* is that reinfection of people who had Covid but no vaccination will increase over time as immunity wears off, although so far immunity seems to remain robust. On that topic I read https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9 which seems more positive that early assumptions
With long Covid I heard that 30% of people had improved after both doses of vaccination but I can't attribute that statistic to an underlying study
Despite still being presented as "fact" in NHS faq - which you clarify as opinion and assumption - thank you even your CDC states "...Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19.." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cines/faq.html but I find no studies on that
Apologies that my post will read like an anti Vax conspiracy theorists (which I am definitely not). It does seem there's no actual evidence. You're right what I though was fact is actually opinion and part of a campaign to encourage vaccination of those who already had Covid, which may well be unnecessary.
The main benefit of blanket vaccination is that it's easier to track who's been vaccinated than who may have had Covid. So bureaucratic reasons not clinical?
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07-03-2021, 11:58 AM #3035
Yes, bureaucratic and financial. There could be “proof” that a vaccination of people who had infection will cause an immune response (this is likely) however it doesn’t mean anything because reinfection is essentially nonexistent in real terms. I am guessing that immunity will also be essentially permanent. We don’t get reinfected with the other 7-8 coronaviruses either. The “science” on this is all in the $hitter at this point, it is tightly controlled, information is suppressed and things that are expressed by the CDC and similar entities don’t fit into the physics of how microbiology/pathology/immunology work. There is the potential for an actual variant that causes enough genetic change that we are back to square one, but it is highly unlikely. Coronaviruses don’t swap genetic material as freely as influenza viruses do (genetic recombination) which is why we have annual flu outbreaks but do not have annual coronavirus outbreaks of the other common strains that affect humans.
I am pro vaccine for everyone who wants it. I think it’s a good idea for everyone that hasn’t had covid, because it can kill even low risk people who likely have a genetic trait that makes them more vulnerable. I am very much apposed to forced vaccination especially in people who had covid. They appear to be the group who have a higher percentage of adverse reactions to the vaccines too, likely because they are already immune and natural exposure to the virus would not be the same as inoculation with a vaccine designed to initiate an immune response. Covid is going to be a minor disease, likely forever. Those who get it will likely be fine, those who get vaccinated will likely be fine, some will die from it in both groups. Groups who haven’t had it or been vaccinated will still allow the virus to continue on, albeit at a low level. That is the reason for the push for vaccines and I understand that, but it should be presented differently than the way it has been. The only thing being accomplished now is creating division, and the loss of credibility for people who understand how diseases work when horse$hit narratives and fake science are pushed.
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07-03-2021, 12:13 PM #3036
Remember folks: FOLLOW THE SCIENCE - but only the science we are touting at any given time.
Masks don't work.
Masks DO work.
If you get the vaccine, you still need to wear a mask and social distance.
If you get the vaccine, you do not still need to wear a mask and social distance.
The idea that the virus started in a lab in China is a conspiracy theory.
There is REAL PROOF that the virus started in a lab in China.
Joe Biden got 81 million real, legal votes.
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07-03-2021, 12:25 PM #3037
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07-03-2021, 12:37 PM #3038
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07-03-2021, 12:38 PM #3039Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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07-03-2021, 12:53 PM #3040
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07-03-2021, 12:56 PM #3041
I was telling my wife and kids about you when we were hiking through the mountains the other day. How even at 62 (guess 63 now, happy birthday)you just get dropped off in the middle of nowhere and hike back solo. I loved the hikes we did in the mountains, but I can’t even fathom carrying enough stuff for a week and trekking solo. I’d need a mule like that guy on grizzly adams.
The stuff I brought barely fit in the cabin and most of it didn’t get used. I’d be like one of those AT through hikers that ditches thousand $ in gear because they bring too much unnecessary $hit and need to lighten their packs 7 miles in
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07-03-2021, 02:08 PM #3042
The other 4 coronavirus clades circulating in humans commonly infect the same host many times over because each clade has extensive genetic diversity. They would be extinct if not. You may have immunity for very long periods of time against a single genetic variant, but not against all variants within the clade. The same thing will likely happen with SARSCOV2.
We need seasonal influenza vaccines because of antigenic drift — point mutations. Antigenic shift is rare and is not the reason we need annual flu vaccines. Shift leads to events like 2009 pandemic.
We see seasonal outbreaks of Coronaviruses 229E, NL63, OC43, HKU1 in the same way we see seasonality of influenza. Yes they are more genetically stable, but that doesn’t mean you have life long immunity to the clade after one infection lol. SARSCOV2 annual vaccines… prob not. Every few years, probably."Seen in the light of evolution, biology is, perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science. Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts -- some of them interesting or curious but making no meaningful picture as a whole."
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07-03-2021, 09:04 PM #3043
You do not catch the same coronavirus strain over and over. Influenza viruses are able to share genes between various types that can infect multiple hosts, hence crossing of bird and swine types of influenza viruses then jump8ng to humans. The saying you don’t catch the same cold twice is actually very true. There are a lot of cold viruses that circulate. As time goes on, covid will be nothing more than that. Before that point, the level of death from it will make it inconsequential in terms of overall mortality (we are at that point now, but many are clinging on, and selling fear to advance profits and agendas). Of the 8,000 or so deaths everyday in the US, 300 attributed to covid is actually pretty low in comparison to risks of obesity, smoking etc.
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07-03-2021, 09:39 PM #3044
I didn’t say strain. I said clade. Many strains exist within any one monophyletic clade of endemic human coronavirus. I guess my point was SARSCOV2 is a clade, and because many strains of the virus will be generated over time, permanent immunity to “SARSCOV2” after one infection or vaccine is unlikely.
And what you described with influenza is called antigenic shift. I was pointing out that counter to what you said, that is not the reason we need vaccines annually for influenza. But you’re right, influenza can swap genes with entirely unrelated influenza viruses and this is pretty unusual with viruses. It’s due in part to the segmented genome.
I hope you’re right and that SARSCOV2 does become another common cold culprit. But I’m not as confident as you are."Seen in the light of evolution, biology is, perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science. Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts -- some of them interesting or curious but making no meaningful picture as a whole."
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07-04-2021, 12:15 AM #3045
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07-04-2021, 02:04 AM #3046Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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07-04-2021, 10:08 AM #3047
I’ve had two lengthy responses disappear due to site crashing. Overall, I agree the virus will not be eradicated and will persist in small outbreaks primarily in rural areas where low post infection immunity and low vaccine uptake are common. That said, with the numbers already infected and vaccinated it is no longer a public health priority in terms of deaths. Communicable diseases, even mild respiratory diseases kill people, especially elderly and immunocompromised groups. This will be no different than many other diseases that take lives every year.
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07-04-2021, 10:12 AM #3048
We’re back, we checked out on Thursday and drove straight through. It was a long drive back, 10 hrs or so, it poured all the way through Kentucky. It was great and we are planning to book a week next year to do more hiking. We didn’t have enough time, but it was the only dates we found without hopping from one air b&b to another. I wouldn’t move to the immediate area, but would highly consider the surrounding areas for a retirement location. Really loved the views and the weather is reportedly more temperate than many mountainous areas I’ve been to.
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07-05-2021, 03:22 AM #3049Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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07-05-2021, 07:54 AM #3050Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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07-06-2021, 07:56 AM #3051Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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07-06-2021, 07:57 AM #3052
i found the pbs video with Judy and Fauci describing the changing percentages.
Then Israel mentions this today regarding Delta......http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-spreads.htmlThere is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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07-06-2021, 01:38 PM #3053
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07-06-2021, 01:49 PM #3054Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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07-06-2021, 02:09 PM #3055
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07-06-2021, 02:43 PM #3056
Stop being a pu$$y and go get that shot. You die if you die. Was gonna happen anyways...not srs
Most people get mild symptoms - you’ll be all right. Me and chick had “about to get badly sick” type symptoms but after couple Tylenols and 1.5 days the feeling went away and felt fine. Know couple kids (under 16) who had very mild but similar response and a coupe other kids who got a minor headache and that was it
Stop being a puss and go get it. Hey, you may even get a sticker. That’s fun. What do you say?**^^ gone ^^**
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07-06-2021, 03:01 PM #3057
Ha Ha I love stickers..
Looks like it will be raining on Thursday so I will get it done this time... I missed it 3 times so far because I went fishing twice and flying another time..I have no problem getting the shot, it's missing a nice day and fun activities that is my problem lol..
Glad you guys survived...Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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07-08-2021, 08:29 AM #3058
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07-08-2021, 08:48 AM #3059Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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07-08-2021, 09:18 AM #3060
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